All Claims of The Son's Deity

[praise_yeshua]

John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.

BTW. Deceiver.....

What does verse 24 say?

Joh 16:24 Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

Pay attention.

Joh 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

 

[Runningman]

Not in Matthew 6:6. I never said otherwise. Matthew only referenced a single event. Jesus said more than what you're referencing.



I referenced John 14:14 you deceiver/liar. You're ignoring this "deceiver/liar". I'm not ignoring other things Jesus said. You're the deceiver. Not me.



So you're getting everything you ask of the Father? I bet you're not. Why are you lying about it.

Cool. I hope you always pray to the Father only.

 

[Runningman]

BTW. Deceiver.....

What does verse 24 say?

Joh 16:24 Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

Pay attention.

Joh 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

The textus receptus doesn't contain the word "me" in John 14:14. So the KJV, NKJV, ASV, and some others make no mention of asking for Jesus for something in his name.

This is the correct translation of John 14:14:

John 14 NKJV​

14If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.​

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This is why John 16:23,24 specifies to not ask Jesus, but rather to ask the Father in his name. It's because Jesus isn't God.

John 16 NKJV​

23“And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. 24Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.​

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You probably missed this, and likely will reject it even now, because you're deceived. I don't mean that in a mean spirited way, but I call it how it is. You should realize that Matthew 6:6,9 is the only teaching on prayer in the Bible. It only mentions the Father. I hope you practice it.

 

[mikesw]

The textus receptus doesn't contain the word "me" in John 14:14. So the KJV, NKJV, ASV, and some others make no mention of asking for Jesus for something in his name.

This is the correct translation of John 14:14:

John 14 NKJV​

14If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.​

​

This is why John 16:23,24 specifies to not ask Jesus, but rather to ask the Father in his name. It's because Jesus isn't God.

John 16 NKJV​

23“And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. 24Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.​

​

You probably missed this, and likely will reject it even now, because you're deceived. I don't mean that in a mean spirited way, but I call it how it is. You should realize that Matthew 6:6,9 is the only teaching on prayer in the Bible. It only mentions the Father. I hope you practice it.

I see this mentioned so many times about Matt 6. In a sense Jesus would have been killed if he said pray to the Son of God. They would have sought to kill him before his time. I would think that anyone who accepts the message of scripture would realize that problem of directly revealing his divinity. Yet, that point is brought up in demonstration of the ignorance of the unitarians.

 

[Runningman]

I see this mentioned so many times about Matt 6. In a sense Jesus would have been killed if he said pray to the Son of God. They would have sought to kill him before his time. I would think that anyone who accepts the message of scripture would realize that problem of directly revealing his divinity. Yet, that point is brought up in demonstration of the ignorance of the unitarians.

By all accounts, John wrote this decades after the original events happened and included no commentary that expanded on the teachings of Jesus to involve any sort of trinitarian philosophy.

 

[mikesw]

By all accounts, John wrote this decades after the original events happened and included no commentary that expanded on the teachings of Jesus to involve any sort of trinitarian philosophy.

John did not have to explain everything about God. You fantasy world does not recognize the whole testimony of John. John spoke of Jesus but you deny John's testimony.

 

[Runningman]

John did not have to explain everything about God. You fantasy world does not recognize the whole testimony of John. John spoke of Jesus but you deny John's testimony.

There was no need to expand any further on the teachings of Jesus because they were already succinct, beautiful, and complete. Apostle John was a strict monotheist, believing in just one singular person who is God the Father, also known as YHWH. You just don't understand him.

He didn't believe Jesus is God, see Acts 4:23-31. John believed Jesus is a man who was empowered and anointed by God, which is the general consensus in Scripture.

 

[mikesw]

There was no need to expand any further on the teachings of Jesus because they were already succinct, beautiful, and complete. Apostle John was a strict monotheist, believing in just one singular person who is God the Father, also known as YHWH. You just don't understand him.

He didn't believe Jesus is God, see Acts 4:23-31. John believed Jesus is a man who was empowered and anointed by God, which is the general consensus in Scripture.

Indeed the concept of God appears simplistic to the hyperliteralist unitarian. There is no reason to think of God more than a preschool level for the unitarian, as if God were just a creation in the mind of men.
We already were seeing in John 1 that John at minimal represents the Godhead in a binitarian fashion, but you quickly back off the obvious reading so you can deny who Christ is. So you not only deny John 1, you deny any passage shared that reflects the divinity of Christ. You trample over the Word of God, our Lord and Savior who died on the cross.
I truly cannot conceive how anyone reads John 1 as anything except the revealing of Christ's divinity. To deny that is like saying birds live solely underwater. It defies all logic and evidence.