Bible Contradictions (ever heard this one before from skeptics?)

[FreeInChrist]

There is only one definition for "covenant", and it is "promise(s.)

"God said" equals immediate reputation to fulfillment. In other word, God can't lie, which means everything He says He's going to do will come to pass.

Now, I must ask: am I interacting on this thread with you or AI?

INCORRECT.

They are "aliens" to God, "strangers" to God. They know not God and God considers them as "nothing" and "less than nothing." Saul says that the mixed-race Jews (think Samaritans) who grew up as Gentiles in Gentile lands and heavily influenced by Greek culture are the audience to what Saul said in his Ephesian letter about these mixed-race Jews of the Diaspora are "aliens to the commonwealth of Israel" and "strangers to the covenants of promise." These are Abraham's seed mixed in with non-Hebrews whose offspring lost their Hebrew heritage, their manner of dress, language, ways of thinking, and even idol-worshipers that Saul writes to in ALL his letters. Just look at the context: Israel/Hebrews. The Word of God including the Hebrew Scripture (Law, Psalms, Prophets) is to and for the Hebrew people/Israel. Each "book" of the Old and New Testaments from Matthew to Revelation are written by a Jew to and for other Jews, and in the case of the "New Testament" Jewish Christians, written to them.

Who was alive when Genesis 9 occurs? Just Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives. While it states the Noahic Covenant is made to Noah and his seed, there were no other people alive. Gentile nations did not exist when God spoke to Noah, just Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and I doubt they were present when God and Noah spoke. YOU atre inserting "Gentile nations" when Gentile nations did not exist. So, you are adding to the Bible and confusing the subject and the content.
To Abraham God says "all families of the earth" meaning Abraham's seed through Ishmael, and Esau, and Ishmael's sons' children, etc. Since the blessing of covenant is already blessing from God only those families or seed of Abraham are blessed. The seed of Ham and Japheth do not have any blessings of or from God. It is the families that are born from Abraham that are blessed ONLY.

And the "New Testament view" above misidentifies "Gentiles" as non-Hebrew Gentiles and I don't. Gentiles are the mixed-race Jews of the Diaspora who grew up Gentile having lost their Hebrew heritage because of assimilation into Gentile and Greek culture. Samaritans and "Gentiles" in the New Testament refer to mixed-race Jews who grew up as Gentile, spoke like Gentiles, accents like Gentiles, dressed like Gentiles, spoke like Gentiles, thought like Gentiles, ate Gentile food (opposite what Hebrews eat in Scripture.) They are still Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise because God made promise to Abraham and his seed.

You're taking this from ChatGPT or Gemini or some internet search, right?

Natural Israel is spiritual Israel.
No, the disobedient Jews are the ones grafted BACK INTO the Olive tree. God never called non-Hebhrew Gentiles an Olive tree, so be consistent and stop trying to force a new identity for the ones grafted BACK INTO the Olive tree, which are the disobedient natural Olive tree which is Israel. The Olive tree is representative of Israel.

No, not all prophecies or promises have been fulfilled - today. There are still Old Testament promises and prophecies that have NOT all been fulfilled.

ERROR.
Gentiles did not exist in Noah's day. Only Adamites.

The "Concept" is correct.
The "Gentile Status" is incorrect.
The "Future Hope" is correct.

The Law of Christ (Greek: "Anointing" = Spirit) IS the Scripture and is the same as the Doctrines of Christ. It is the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets which were Authored by the "Christ" or the "Spirit."

The "single new man" refers to the non-mixed race Jew and the mixed-race Jews joined together to make a "new man."

Now what?

Not me anymore.... it would be one of the trinity of Ai living on this laptop.

Don't like it? Why not... saves my fingers and you certainly are capable of rebuffing anything those guys say.....

Even when they put a different spin on things without bloviating....

You pitched a fit when I said I would not communicate anymore with you.

You pitched a royal fit when I put you on ignore briefly....

Now you are pitching a fit that it is Ai... 3 different sources that come to the same conclusion....

You have sent me by giant steps on that yellow brick road... just figure it is the scarecrow responding to your strawman.

 

[FreeInChrist]

The covenant is between God and Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed.

Against my better judgment, I’ll respond—speaking only for myself.

The covenant God made with Abram and his descendants was foundational within God’s redemptive plan. That point is not in dispute. What is in question is whether that covenant was ever presented in Scripture as the means by which sins are forgiven.

The New Testament consistently treats the Abrahamic covenant as preparatory rather than final. It points forward rather than standing as the fulfillment itself.

Jesus’ was sent not an afterthought. Scripture presents him as central to God’s purpose, not a contingency plan. Without that purpose, the redemptive narrative itself makes little sense.

Abraham remains important in redemptive history, but the New Testament identifies the covenant inaugurated by Jesus’ blood as the decisive means by which salvation is realized.

I am now asking for a specific text: where is the Abrahamic covenant itself presented as providing forgiveness of sins?

By contrast, Jesus explicitly identifies his blood as “the covenant,” and Hebrews describes him as mediator of a new covenant that redeems from sins committed under the first. That distinction matters, especially if we are claiming to follow the text rather than tradition.

The Holy Spirit is promised to Israel NOT Gentiles.

This is not true. I would let you know what a commentary said about this.... but you are not interested in the truth.

If you are truly born-again by the Spirit, there is a Hebrew parent somewhere in your family ancestry.

Have you found yours?

I almost popped for anther $100 to get updated DNA but then something stopped me. And what that was is the fact that
if I go searching anymore, that is certain I am doubting my Lord and Savior....

I have the spirit living in me.... I know because I had a treu conviction in the past.

Your statement is not true ....but brevity only allows me to say this.

No ~ your statement ...."If you are truly born-again by the Spirit, there is a Hebrew parent somewhere in your family ancestry" is not true according to biblical teaching.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not me anymore.... it would be one of the trinity of Ai living on this laptop.

Don't like it? Why not... saves my fingers and you certainly are capable of rebuffing anything those guys say.....

Even when they put a different spin on things without bloviating....

You pitched a fit when I said I would not communicate anymore with you.

You pitched a royal fit when I put you on ignore briefly....

Now you are pitching a fit that it is Ai... 3 different sources that come to the same conclusion....

You have sent me by giant steps on that yellow brick road... just figure it is the scarecrow responding to your strawman.

No, I merely identified your heresy to think you have any "right" to separate yourself from a born-again Christian. You have no rights. It's not a democracy, it's a theocracy. The only time a believer would separate themselves from another believer is if that believer is in sin and backslid. Or if that brother is teaching heresy.
You need to learn what it is God has given you FOR MY BENEFIT because if you don't understand how the body functions you could be denying other brethren of your gifts, pounds, and talents. You see, I understand who I am in the body of Christ. I know my call, my ministry, my gifts, my pounds, and my talents. The Holy Spirit has taken me to extremes in order to put me in the center. But it is MY journey, and I know the Word of God. I know what the Lord has given me to give to my brethren and I give to my brethren. But my brethren through ignorance don't know who they are in Christ, their call, their gifts, talents and pounds. I know the Voice and the Word of God, and I can discern true from false, good and evil. I know that a brethren who gives love to unbelievers is an adulterer. I know that a brethren who calls an unbeliever "brother" is joining Christ to a whore for surely they do not have the same Father. And you? What do you know? You claim Christ but are ignorant of the things of God. The things you SHOULD know, you really don't.
We must ALL see the same Jesus; we must ALL say the same thing as God. To do otherwise is to oppose Him.

 

[FreeInChrist]

No, I merely identified your heresy to think you have any "right" to separate yourself from a born-again Christian. You have no rights. It's not a democracy, it's a theocracy. The only time a believer would separate themselves from another believer is if that believer is in sin and backslid. Or if that brother is teaching heresy.

Then why do you wat me to respond. I do not learn of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit from you... All you do is accuse that the Gentiles have no covenant with God.... even when the Holy Scriptures prove. you lie.

You countered this with while Jesus was talking to His Jews at the last supper, Gentiles were not invited....

Yes, I said that that crudely because otherwise you would not understand.

You do not give a flying fig that YOUR>>>YOUR Saul that you quote and talk so much of was hand picked by
God to be the first king of Israel, as directed by the prophet Samuel. This selection was part of God's plan for Israel, despite the people's desire for a king.

You never give credit to the fact that your Saul had a duel name... DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? God did not change it and neither did Jesus.... Go look it up if you doubt me . And it was after Acts 13:9 But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him.. that Saul was after that called Paul.

But your hero you mention all the time was actually chosen but the most Holy God on high to be the apostle to the Gentiles that you seemingly cannot stand.

You will learn nothing from me....

You need to learn what it is God has given you FOR MY BENEFIT because if you don't understand how the body functions you could be denying other brethren of your gifts, pounds, and talents.

You are rambling and not making any sense... from this point.

You see, I understand who I am in the body of Christ. I know my call, my ministry, my gifts, my pounds, and my talents. The Holy Spirit has taken me to extremes in order to put me in the center. But it is MY journey, and I know the Word of God. I know what the Lord has given me to give to my brethren and I give to my brethren. But my brethren through ignorance don't know who they are in Christ, their call, their gifts, talents and pounds. I know the Voice and the Word of God, and I can discern true from false, good and evil. I know that a brethren who gives love to unbelievers is an adulterer. I know that a brethren who calls an unbeliever "brother" is joining Christ to a whore for surely they do not have the same Father. And you? What do you know? You claim Christ but are ignorant of the things of God. The things you SHOULD know, you really don't.
We must ALL see the same Jesus; we must ALL say the same thing as God. To do otherwise is to oppose Him.

 

[Victoria]

The difference is that God is faithful but He does not have or need faith. The translation of the KJV of Romans 3:3 with "faith of God" is wrong. As I indicated, the correct translation there is "faithfulness of God". In the same way, the translation of the KJV of the "faith of Jesus" Romans 3:22, Galatians 2:16; 3:22 is wrong. It is "faith in Jesus". God, the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit, do not need or have faith in God, in the Father, in the Son, or in the Holy Spirit. There is no rational argument for such a case.

It's the faithfulness of God/Jesus that keeps us saved, not our faithfulness. And of course, Westcott & Hort said the KJB is wrong b/c it goes against Catholicism's religious doctrine. Gotta make it say faith "in" Jesus, & make faith a "work." The Alexandrian manuscripts were rejected by the church early on for a very good reason. They're in serious error, & the manuscripts contradict itself as well.

Were you aware that Westcott & Hort agreed w/ the Arian take on Jesus' deity (that Jesus is a created being)? It's clearly obvious in any translation that states things were made "through" Him, & not "by" Him. John 1:3 KJB says made by Him. Jesus is God in the KJB.

 

[Victoria]

@Rockerduck made a really good point on This Thread in regards to newer translations:

All modern translation bibles are for profit. They are patented and had to change so many words to become a new work. Also, all modern translations have received updates. The KJV is public domain and hasn't needed updating. So, if the modern translations are correct, why did they all require updating. Critical text is in its 28th revision.