All Claims of The Son's Deity

[praise_yeshua]

John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.

BTW. Deceiver.....

What does verse 24 say?

Joh 16:24 Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

Pay attention.

Joh 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

 

[Runningman]

Not in Matthew 6:6. I never said otherwise. Matthew only referenced a single event. Jesus said more than what you're referencing.



I referenced John 14:14 you deceiver/liar. You're ignoring this "deceiver/liar". I'm not ignoring other things Jesus said. You're the deceiver. Not me.



So you're getting everything you ask of the Father? I bet you're not. Why are you lying about it.

Cool. I hope you always pray to the Father only.

 

[Runningman]

BTW. Deceiver.....

What does verse 24 say?

Joh 16:24 Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

Pay attention.

Joh 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

The textus receptus doesn't contain the word "me" in John 14:14. So the KJV, NKJV, ASV, and some others make no mention of asking for Jesus for something in his name.

This is the correct translation of John 14:14:

John 14 NKJV​

14If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.​

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This is why John 16:23,24 specifies to not ask Jesus, but rather to ask the Father in his name. It's because Jesus isn't God.

John 16 NKJV​

23“And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. 24Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.​

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You probably missed this, and likely will reject it even now, because you're deceived. I don't mean that in a mean spirited way, but I call it how it is. You should realize that Matthew 6:6,9 is the only teaching on prayer in the Bible. It only mentions the Father. I hope you practice it.

 

[mikesw]

The textus receptus doesn't contain the word "me" in John 14:14. So the KJV, NKJV, ASV, and some others make no mention of asking for Jesus for something in his name.

This is the correct translation of John 14:14:

John 14 NKJV​

14If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.​

​

This is why John 16:23,24 specifies to not ask Jesus, but rather to ask the Father in his name. It's because Jesus isn't God.

John 16 NKJV​

23“And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. 24Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.​

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You probably missed this, and likely will reject it even now, because you're deceived. I don't mean that in a mean spirited way, but I call it how it is. You should realize that Matthew 6:6,9 is the only teaching on prayer in the Bible. It only mentions the Father. I hope you practice it.

I see this mentioned so many times about Matt 6. In a sense Jesus would have been killed if he said pray to the Son of God. They would have sought to kill him before his time. I would think that anyone who accepts the message of scripture would realize that problem of directly revealing his divinity. Yet, that point is brought up in demonstration of the ignorance of the unitarians.

 

[Runningman]

I see this mentioned so many times about Matt 6. In a sense Jesus would have been killed if he said pray to the Son of God. They would have sought to kill him before his time. I would think that anyone who accepts the message of scripture would realize that problem of directly revealing his divinity. Yet, that point is brought up in demonstration of the ignorance of the unitarians.

By all accounts, John wrote this decades after the original events happened and included no commentary that expanded on the teachings of Jesus to involve any sort of trinitarian philosophy.

 

[mikesw]

By all accounts, John wrote this decades after the original events happened and included no commentary that expanded on the teachings of Jesus to involve any sort of trinitarian philosophy.

John did not have to explain everything about God. You fantasy world does not recognize the whole testimony of John. John spoke of Jesus but you deny John's testimony.

 

[Runningman]

John did not have to explain everything about God. You fantasy world does not recognize the whole testimony of John. John spoke of Jesus but you deny John's testimony.

There was no need to expand any further on the teachings of Jesus because they were already succinct, beautiful, and complete. Apostle John was a strict monotheist, believing in just one singular person who is God the Father, also known as YHWH. You just don't understand him.

He didn't believe Jesus is God, see Acts 4:23-31. John believed Jesus is a man who was empowered and anointed by God, which is the general consensus in Scripture.

 

[mikesw]

There was no need to expand any further on the teachings of Jesus because they were already succinct, beautiful, and complete. Apostle John was a strict monotheist, believing in just one singular person who is God the Father, also known as YHWH. You just don't understand him.

He didn't believe Jesus is God, see Acts 4:23-31. John believed Jesus is a man who was empowered and anointed by God, which is the general consensus in Scripture.

Indeed the concept of God appears simplistic to the hyperliteralist unitarian. There is no reason to think of God more than a preschool level for the unitarian, as if God were just a creation in the mind of men.
We already were seeing in John 1 that John at minimal represents the Godhead in a binitarian fashion, but you quickly back off the obvious reading so you can deny who Christ is. So you not only deny John 1, you deny any passage shared that reflects the divinity of Christ. You trample over the Word of God, our Lord and Savior who died on the cross.
I truly cannot conceive how anyone reads John 1 as anything except the revealing of Christ's divinity. To deny that is like saying birds live solely underwater. It defies all logic and evidence.

 

[synergy]

The message (logos) was God and that message was in writing and that message was with Jesus. Messages do not become living creatures. This should have been taught in second grade.

Tell us more about your God which you call "The Message". Do you pray to The Message? Do you pray with words like "Our Message who art in Heaven"? How does your Church worship The Message? Do you sing praises to The Message? Does everyone at your church prostrate themselves towards The Message? Tell us about this God of yours called The Message

 

[synergy]

There humans who can say they are God according to Psalm 82:6 and several other verses. The capitalization is totally subjective based on translator bias.

Nope. They are called gods in Ps 82:6, not God. Learn the difference between those 2 words and then we can talk. Ok?

(Psalms 82:6) I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High

The difference between God and humans who are god should be apparent from Scripture. If you can't figure out who THE GOD is and who THE GOD is not then you need to take a look at what is explicit. That is why John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, and Ephesians 4:6 place guardrails on who is THE GOD and who is not. THE GOD is the Father in Scripture. The Father is the only true God and there are no others.

I can just see you now, arguing with John about how he wrote John 1:1. You will NOT win that argument, believe me.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Cool. I hope you always pray to the Father only.

No. I pray to Jesus and He answers me just like He did when He walked the face of this earth and answered anyone that prayed to him.

Do you ask Jesus for anything? Did you ask Jesus to save you like Peter did when he was falling into the sea?

 

[praise_yeshua]

The textus receptus doesn't contain the word "me" in John 14:14. So the KJV, NKJV, ASV, and some others make no mention of asking for Jesus for something in his name.

Read it again. Pay attention.

Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Notice "MY NAME", but also notice "I WILL DO IT!

So you ask in the name of Jesus and Jesus does it.

Your equation is deceptive and intended to dishonor Jesus Christ.

 

[praise_yeshua]

There was no need to expand any further on the teachings of Jesus because they were already succinct, beautiful, and complete.

They are "succinct, beautiful" but they are not complete.

At every turn you're a deceiver. It happens over and over again.

Take for example.....

Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

You don't believe Jesus. You never have.

 

[Peterlag]

Tell us more about your God which you call "The Message". Do you pray to The Message? Do you pray with words like "Our Message who art in Heaven"? How does your Church worship The Message? Do you sing praises to The Message? Does everyone at your church prostrate themselves towards The Message? Tell us about this God of yours called The Message

A friend of mine put it this way... "The word logos (Word) denotes (I) "the expression of thought" as embodying a conception or idea. λόγος logos, is something said (including the thought). So the word logos means an expression of thought. It makes perfect sense if we use this understanding everywhere the word logos is used. So in John 1:1 the Word is not Jesus, but rather it became flesh, which is God's expression of thought or plan that became flesh with the coming of Jesus Christ."

 

[praise_yeshua]

A friend of mine put it this way... "The word logos (Word) denotes (I) "the expression of thought" as embodying a conception or idea. λόγος logos, is something said (including the thought). So the word logos means an expression of thought. It makes perfect sense if we use this understanding everywhere the word logos is used. So in John 1:1 the Word is not Jesus, but rather it became flesh, which is God's expression of thought or plan that became flesh with the coming of Jesus Christ."

Such a good thing that you believe your friend over God.....

You can't serve two Masters.

Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.

Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

 

[synergy]

A friend of mine put it this way... "The word logos (Word) denotes (I) "the expression of thought" as embodying a conception or idea. λόγος logos, is something said (including the thought). So the word logos means an expression of thought. It makes perfect sense if we use this understanding everywhere the word logos is used. So in John 1:1 the Word is not Jesus, but rather it became flesh, which is God's expression of thought or plan that became flesh with the coming of Jesus Christ."

So your Message God also goes by the name of "the expression of thought". I see.

Now, please proceed to tell us more about your God which you call "the expression of thought". Do you pray to this "expression of thought"? Do you pray with words like "Our expression of thought who art in Heaven"? How does your Church worship your God called the expression of thought? Do you sing praises to the expression of thought? Does everyone at your church prostrate themselves towards the expression of thought? Please tell us about this God of yours which you call the expression of thought.

 

[Peterlag]

So your Message God also goes by the name of "the expression of thought". I see.

Now, please proceed to tell us more about your God which you call "the expression of thought". Do you pray to this "expression of thought"? Do you pray with words like "Our expression of thought who art in Heaven"? How does your Church worship your God called the expression of thought? Do you sing praises to the expression of thought? Does everyone at your church prostrate themselves towards the expression of thought? Please tell us about this God of yours which you call the expression of thought.

You're very confused or possessed. My first though is the latter. God is not an expression of thought. The logos is.

 

[synergy]

You're very confused or possessed. My first though is the latter. God is not an expression of thought. The logos is.

You're the one who said "The message was God".

The message (logos) was God

So when will you tell us more about your God which you call "The Message". Do you pray to The Message? How does your Church worship The Message? Do you sing praises to The Message? Does everyone at your church prostrate themselves towards The Message? Tell us about this God of yours called The Message

 

[praise_yeshua]

You're the one who said "The message was God".

So when will you tell us more about your God which you call "The Message". Do you pray to The Message? How does your Church worship The Message? Do you sing praises to The Message? Does everyone at your church prostrate themselves towards The Message? Tell us about this God of yours called The Message

They are always looking to separate....

 

[Peterlag]

You're the one who said "The message was God".

So when will you tell us more about your God which you call "The Message". Do you pray to The Message? How does your Church worship The Message? Do you sing praises to The Message? Does everyone at your church prostrate themselves towards The Message? Tell us about this God of yours called The Message

The devils misquote as good as you. I never said "The message was God". I said the The message (logos) was God and that message was in writing and that message was with Jesus. Messages do not become living creatures.