Bible Contradictions (ever heard this one before from skeptics?)

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FreeInChrist said:
I am now asking for a specific text: where is the Abrahamic covenant itself presented as providing forgiveness of sins?

You do not know what you believe you understand....

When Christ Jesus said "for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins." refering to Jesus' words during the Last Supper,

This indicates that his sacrifice would establish a new agreement between God and humanity, offering forgiveness of sins.

Matt 26:28 does what I expected you to do, but did not.

And before you say it..... Matt 26:28 goes beyond Hebraic Jews. Because, if Matthew 26:28 were only for Hebraic Jews, then Gentile salvation would require a separate covenant which is something the NT explicitly denies.

The covenant that Jesus talked about is rooted in Israel, fulfilled in Christ, and extended to all humanity without distinction.
If that's true then Jesus changed the Law to make it universal and in doing so destroyed the Law.
But you still cannot show me a Scripture in the Old Testament of a prophecy or promise that God would change the Law to include Gentiles. where's the Scripture?
 
If what @jeremiah1five advocates for is actually true, then there is no reason whatsoever that any non-Hebrew should not lie, steal and cheat whomever he wants or whomever it is convenient to do so because there is nothing to lose spiritually by doing so. If the only spiritual end for the non-Hebrew is the eternal condemnation that @jeremiah1five claims, then by all means all such non-Hebrews should do whatever they can to whomever needs be to get the best for themselves in the here and now.
The Holy Spirit keeps all-out sin in check.
 
If you think so, then it is only your own personal interpretation of the verses that makes it so.

Are you arguing a difference between "created by" and "created through" in John 1:3? If so, that is the error. Since the Greek word διά [dia] carries the primary meaning of denoting the channel of an act (from Strong's and Thayer's).


With respect to 1 Corinthians 1:18, are you one of those who hold to the erroneous "Once Saved, Always Saved" s doctrine?
Of course, once saved, always saved is in the Bible.
One passage that comes to mind is where it says, "I will never leave you nor forsake you."
God is not waiting around to see who will "accept Jesus into their hearts" because no one seeks God at all. This is why Jonah says, "Salvation is of the LORD!"
When Jesus died on His cross He actually saved "someone" not make salvation "possible" if only one would later believe. God is actively involved in seeking out His people, calling them by name, and giving His Holy Spirit to dwell in them forever. That sounds like once saved, always saved to me.
But I prefer to say it this way: "Once a son, always a son." By being born-again by the seed of God we are birthed in the Spirit and ever shall we be.
Scripture says no one seeks God. God knows this. We are in bondage to sin until the Holy Spirit frees us and in response there is only one place to go: God. Even Jesus teaches once saved, always saved.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST], because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved. John 3:18–20.

NO ONE seeks God. NO ONE seeks Christ. We are all in bondage to sin until a stronger one comes to bind the strong man and then he can pilfer his goods.

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Romans 3:10–11.

Believe the Scripture. Have faith in God.
 
The Holy Spirit keeps all-out sin in check.
That is absolutely ridiculous. All you need to see that is to look around. Millions have been horribly treated and killed in just the last century, not to mention the day-to-day rejection of God, of Jesus Christ, of the Holy Spirit all across this globe.

That is but one more thing that proves beyond all doubt that your theology is an out and out sham.
 
If that's true then Jesus changed the Law to make it universal and in doing so destroyed the Law.
But you still cannot show me a Scripture in the Old Testament of a prophecy or promise that God would change the Law to include Gentiles. where's the Scripture?
It is not in the Old Testament; but it is in the New Testament as I have already shown you. But, it seems, you do not know and understand much of the New Testament. You are an Old Testament Jew who doesn't really adhere to either the Old Covenant or the New Covenant.
 
If that's true then Jesus changed the Law to make it universal and in doing so destroyed the Law.
But you still cannot show me a Scripture in the Old Testament of a prophecy or promise that God would change the Law to include Gentiles. where's the Scripture?
From Jesus' mouth... Jesus stated that he did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill them, meaning he aimed to complete their purpose rather than change or invalidate them.

But funny that it took Him 6000 plus years to get here to do that and then he arrives. For what purpose?

@jeremiah1five read the following and see what your Heavenly Father is wanting you to know......

And why that elaborate example of the olive tree.....

Romans 11: 1-35 Read this carefully because I suspect you never have.

Israel Is Not Cast Away​

11 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

3 Lord, they have killed Your prophets, they have torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.”

4 But what s the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”

5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.

6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; ;

8just as it is written,

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes to see not and ears to hear not,
Down to this very day.

9.And David says,

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
And a stumbling block and a retribution to them.

10 Let their eyes be darkened to see not,
And bend their backs forever.”

11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their ]fulfillment be!

13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

16 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, (This is the Gentiles he is speaking to)being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

19 You(Gentiles) will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.

20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;

21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,


“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”

@jeremiah1five ... if you get nothing else out of this pay attention


27 “This is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”


28From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, butfrom the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;


29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

30 For just as you(Gentiles) once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,

31 so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.

32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!

34 For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor?

35 Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to him again?

36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

And to this I say.....

Amen, amen
 
Show me where in the Old Testament God made a salvation covenant with the Hebrew. And don't give me any reference to the New Covenant, since that was not a covenant made in the Old Testament, but rather a prophecy of a promise to be made in the future to the Old Testament.
You should know each covenant God made first with Abram and with his seed, and then with his seed, the children of Israel, and then with the House of Israel and the House of Judah complement each other.
The Abrahamic Covenant contains a promise of covenant with his seed, Isaac, and with Isaac, God makes other promises, and then after Isaac's death God makes promises to Jacob, and then extends these promises to his twelve sons. Each covenant builds upon the last and all established with Abram/Abraham. This progression is a buildup to the next. The bottom line is that God plans to save and redeem a people born from the family of Eber to Abraham, to Isaac, to Jacob, and to Jacob's twelve sons and from his twelve sons to their dependents.

The mere existence of the Abraham Covenant which promises are inherited by Isaac and so forth, is a covenant that is to last "everlasting" meaning forever. It doesn't have to contain any promise of salvation but is in itself a "forever" covenant and this foreshadows an eternal realm in which the others can be made.

The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah is made under the Law and completed under the Law. There is a fifty-day window from the moment Jesus instituted the New Covenant in His body and blood until it was inaugurated and activated while STILL under the Law when the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL descended from heaven and upon the children of Israel. On that day (the Jewish Feast of Harvest ca. AD 34) is when the New Covenant began and it began and continued to this day under the Law for the Law of Moses was not "abolished" nor made "obsolete" but when natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel on the day of Pentecost Christ's promise to "build His Church" began with the spiritual salvation of three thousand Jews and mixed-race Jews on that day as each day thousands of Jews were added to His Church daily such as should be saved.

According to the biblical record in the KJV, the Mosaic Covenant (also known as the Sinaitic Covenant) began in the third month after the Israelites were delivered from Egypt. The establishment of this covenant is detailed across Exodus 19 through 24. While it began with God’s proposal on the mountain, it was formally ratified through a blood sacrifice and the people's oath of obedience. Based on internal biblical chronology (specifically 1 Kings 6:1, which states the Exodus occurred 480 years before the fourth year of Solomon's reign), the date of the beginning of the Mosaic Covenant is approximately 1446 BC.
1446 years later - give or take - Jesus is born and approximately thirty years later from His birth and after His ascension the New Covenant era begins. The promise of salvation is spoken by God here:

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Genesis 17:7.

An everlasting covenant with an everlasting man.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. Genesis 15:15.

Later, Jesus reveals that Abraham is alive/saved and living with "his fathers."

26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. Mark 12:26–27.

The salvation of the Hebrew people while under the Law would naturally have the salvation of their patriarch, Abraham, as the person they would join when their time on earth is through.
 
That is absolutely ridiculous. All you need to see that is to look around. Millions have been horribly treated and killed in just the last century, not to mention the day-to-day rejection of God, of Jesus Christ, of the Holy Spirit all across this globe.

That is but one more thing that proves beyond all doubt that your theology is an out and out sham.
No, it is true. The Holy Spirit's Presence in the world is the Person keeping all-out and unrestrained sin in check.
The Holy Spirit acting as a global "restrainer" or keeping sin "in check" is found in 2 Thessalonians 2:6–7.

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2 Thessalonians 2:6–8.

I notice through your comments that you are not "well-rounded" in the things you should know that go towards understanding yourself (and others) as well as the things of God. But I will continue to bring the Scripture to correct your errors. Your only responsibility is to God first and then to what I bring through Scripture which is for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness so that you may grow in knowledge of the Son of God and this "so-great salvation."
 
But nowhere in the Bible does it ever say that you can't forsake God.
It doesn't matter. If we get entangled in sin after our new birth the Holy Spirit will not allow us prodigals roam too far from the Shepherd of the sheepfold.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
John 10:27–29.

Once saved we remain saved. And any and all sin we do not repent from immediately goes towards the quality of our fellowship with God and brethren. The Lord does not let us go once He takes hold of us. His grip of my hand is stronger - way stronger - than the grip I have of His hand.
Thank God.
As I said, once a son, always a son. His seed remains in us, and we are marked for all eternity as His.
 
It doesn't matter. If we get entangled in sin after our new birth the Holy Spirit will not allow us prodigals roam too far from the Shepherd of the sheepfold.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
John 10:27–29.

Once saved we remain saved. And any and all sin we do not repent from immediately goes towards the quality of our fellowship with God and brethren. The Lord does not let us go once He takes hold of us. His grip of my hand is stronger - way stronger - than the grip I have of His hand.
Thank God.
As I said, once a son, always a son. His seed remains in us, and we are marked for all eternity as His.
Hebrews 10:26-31
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
27;but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

1 John 3:4-10
Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness. / But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. / No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.

Galatians 5:19-21
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; / idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, / and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

hope this helps !!!
 
It is not in the Old Testament; but it is in the New Testament as I have already shown you. But, it seems, you do not know and understand much of the New Testament. You are an Old Testament Jew who doesn't really adhere to either the Old Covenant or the New Covenant.
Jesus didn't change the Law to include non-Hebrew Gentiles in His salvation plan. He says He did not come to destroy the Law, which if you knew anything - you should know this - that Jesus, nor God the Father, cannot change what He's said and promised to His people Israel. You should know that any change - although impossible - would destroy the Law for God's Word is Immutable and does not change. Non-Hebrew Gentiles are not included in God's salvation plan nor are Gentiles included in any of the covenants He's made with Israel. We are still in the New Covenant era which began on the day the Holy Spirit arrived nearly two-thousand years ago.

Jesus fulfilled the Law not change it. And He fulfilled the Law by substituting Himself for the animal that is slain every Passover and whose blood is sprinkled upon the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant. This, Jesus did once and for all Israel past, present, and future, and it was His sacrifice whom the Father accepted that washes away the sins of the Hebrew people for all time.

While we are in the New Covenant era, we are still bound to the Law of God for it is sweet to our taste and fills our bellies with the goodness of God. Jesus fulfilled the Law by dying in the place of the animal that is slain every Passover to temporarily atone for one year the sins of the children of Israel and by placing Himself between God's wrath and our sins, He took the penalty for sin which is death but through His Holiness and Righteousness He rose again in newness of life in order that He is able to give us eternal life and life abundedly.

No, Jesus did not change the Law to include Gentiles for if He did, He most assuredly would have prayed for them, the world of Gentiles, right before He was to go to the cross as described in John 17:9. But He didn't. Thus, the world, His enemy, is without a prayer and without redemption that He had promised His Chosen people Israel. It's too bad you can't see this. The hold of the false Constantinian Gentile theology that has you bound is staggering to witness. YOU KNOW there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles included in the Abrahamic Covenant, and YOU KNOW there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles included under the Law with Israel and YOU KNOW the prophecy of Jeremiah of a New Covenant clearly states this covenant between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah and that there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named or mentioned as included in this covenant. But you still claim without Biblical support that the world is among the redeemed of the Lord - Israel - and it just blows my mind that even without Scriptural support you are accepting to go to your grave - as a professed Gentile - believing in something that is just not true, that reigns as a phantom doctrine that is delusional to believe in even though the proof is right in front of you that you refuse to accept. It is my hope that you - not as Gentile, not as Jew - come to the knowledge of the truth one day and that the truth set you free from the false theology you now hold.
So help you God.
 
Thus, the world, His enemy, is without a prayer and without redemption that He had promised His Chosen people Israel. It's too bad you can't see this.
Why is it too bad I can't see that? According to you, I am the world, His enemy, without a prayer and without redemption that He promised His Chosen people Israel. If that is the truth, then nothing I do will change my final destiny. I am, according to you, bound unconditionally for the fires of hell.

Fortunately, none of that is biblical truth. It is some of the worst confused rendering of God's word. In all my years, I have never run across anyone with such a twisted, racist theology calling himself a Christian.
 
From Jesus' mouth... Jesus stated that he did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill them, meaning he aimed to complete their purpose rather than change or invalidate them.

But funny that it took Him 6000 plus years to get here to do that and then he arrives. For what purpose?

@jeremiah1five read the following and see what your Heavenly Father is wanting you to know......

And why that elaborate example of the olive tree.....

Romans 11: 1-35 Read this carefully because I suspect you never have.

Israel Is Not Cast Away​

11 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

3 Lord, they have killed Your prophets, they have torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.”

4 But what s the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”

5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.

6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; ;

8just as it is written,

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes to see not and ears to hear not,
Down to this very day.

9.And David says,

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
And a stumbling block and a retribution to them.

10 Let their eyes be darkened to see not,
And bend their backs forever.”

11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their ]fulfillment be!

13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

16 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, (This is the Gentiles he is speaking to)being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

19 You(Gentiles) will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.

20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;

21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,


“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”

@jeremiah1five ... if you get nothing else out of this pay attention

27 “This is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”


28From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, butfrom the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;


29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

30 For just as you(Gentiles) once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,

31 so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.

32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!

34 For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor?

35 Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to him again?

36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

And to this I say.....

Amen, amen
The problem is the teaching in the churches today that "Gentiles" in the New Testament means "non-Hebrew Gentiles" and this is wrong. The covenants God made are with Abraham and his seed. The Jews knew non-Hebrew Gentiles were not under the Law or in any way, shape, or form involved in Hebrew culture and society. The Hebrew people were separate from non-Hebrews. Every Jew knows that the God of Abraham is the God of the Hebrew people and Jews were hostile to non-Hebrew Gentiles because they were their enemies. The point I want to make is that the letters that make up the New Testament were written by Jewish Christians and sent to Jews and Jewish Christians at the various cities each one names in the salutations and that to the Jews and Jewish Christians that were the persons to whom those letters were addressed understood among themselves that when they named "Gentiles" they were referring to mixed-race Jews of the Diaspora and their offspring who lived in Gentile lands and under Gentile political and legal governance and heavily influenced by Greek culture even under Roman occupation. Even before Jesus was born Jews had prejudices against the offspring of mixed-race unions and offspring that continued for over 700 years encompassing an estimated 29-35 generations of mixed-race unions and the mixed-race Jews born to them. If the mixed-race Jew was married to a non-Hebrew and lived in the Holy Land under Hebrew society these mixed-race Jews would know about their Hebrew heritage more than the mixed-race Jews who grew up in Gentile lands under Greek cultural influences that 'swallowed up' their Hebrew heritage and the became ignorant of their Hebrew heritage. This is why Saul wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians at Ephesus and said:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:11–13.

Look at what Saul says: "aliens from the commonwealth of Israel." He's referring to Hebrew politics and society as a whole, because in the next sentence he brings up the religious aspect, "strangers from the covenants of promise."
These mixed-race Jews were hardcore Heathens and lived as Gentiles lived. If they lived in Israel the reverse would be true, that the mixed-race Jews would have grown up Hebrew even shunning their non-Hebrew birth heritage.

My point is these letters are communications between Jews (and Jewish Christians) and "Gentiles" did not refer to non-Hebrew Gentiles, but mixed-race Jews who grew up entirely Gentile in manner of speech, language, dress, meals, interests, etc. The Jews in the first century know about their covenants, that God made no covenants with non-Hebrews and they never tried to circumcise a non-Hebrew nor compel them to obedience to the Law of Moses. It just never happened. And yet, because of misidentifying "Gentile" in the letters that Saul, who was a rabbi and a Pharisee and was well respected by Jewish Christian elders of the Sanhedrin and who would take great issue against him if these "Gentiles" being discussed in his letters were actually non-Hebrew Gentiles because of the antagonism and enmity between the races (Jew vs. Gentile.)

IF God had any intention of including non-Hebrews into His covenants it would have started with the covenants themselves and it would be enumerated clearly as to non-Hebrew inclusion into their (Israel's) inheritance, but the Old Testament Scripture says nothing about non-Hebrew Gentiles having any role in the covenants of promise between God and the Hebrew people.

I mean, you don't see unconverted Jews trying to get non-Hebrews circumcised or made to obey the Law of Moses. Why is that? Why is there no Jews trying to circumcise any of the Roman soldiers and make them to obey the Law of Moses? Where is it recorded BEFORE Jesus was born of Jews doing that? The Jews are using the same Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets Saul used to teach about the New Covenant. If God meant to include non-Hebrews into the New Covenant Jeremiah would have said something about it for future reference and guidance when the New Covenant was realized. Saul would have beat that horse to death and quoted Jeremiah everywhere teaching from the New Covenant prophecy itself that non-Hebrew Gentiles were included in the New Covenant focusing on a sentence or two from Jeremiah's prophecy that would have clearly said, thus saith the LORD, "non-Hebrew Gentiles will be accepted under the Law so that the blood sacrifice would cover them alongside Israel and that non-Hebrew Gentiles would not be the enemy they are then and today but the Jews would call the non-Hebrew Gentiles "brother" and "fellow heirs of the Abraham Promises, but they don't do that. Instead, non-Hebrew Gentiles are NOT covered under the Law of the blood sacrifice nor are the non-Hebrews now included in the New Covenant, a covenant prophesied by Jeremiah that does not even mention Gentiles being included in the New Covenant at all. IF God wanted non-Hebrews to share in Israel's inheritance and promises God would have had made that clear in the Law or the Psalms, or the Prophets, but He doesn't say such things and force Hebrews to "suck it up!" because non-Hebrew Gentiles are your fellow heirs in the promises I gave to Abraham and his seed, a people identified as the children of Israel. None of those things exist. Instead, we are to just accept over night that God is including non-Hebrews into the covenants of promise without any Scriptural evidence and because Saul is saying so? Where are the famous Jewish rabbis or where are the Old Testament prophets and their prophecies to Israel that God is in some future date going to have a New Covenant and I am going to include non-Hebrew Gentiles and make it universal and those prophecies?
I tell you, all this non-Hebrew Gentile inclusion into Israel's inheritance is missing some very important and key provisions and Scripture references. There are just way too many holes to plug with this teaching today of non-Hebrew Gentiles being part of the God of Abraham and His economy for them. As they say, there is something really wrong in Denmark!
 
The problem is the teaching in the churches today that "Gentiles" in the New Testament means "non-Hebrew Gentiles" and this is wrong.
No, it is not wrong. From Vines NT:

Gentiles

A. Nouns.
1. ethnos (G1484), whence Eng., "heathen," denotes, firstly, "a multitude or company"; then, "a multitude of people of the same nature or genus, a nation, people"; it is used in the singular, of the Jews, e.g., Luk_7:5; Luk_23:2; Joh_11:48, Joh_11:50-52; in the plural, of nations (Heb., goiim) other than Israel, e.g., Mat_4:15; Rom_3:29; Rom_11:11; Rom_15:10; Gal_2:8; occasionally it is used of gentile converts in distinction from Jews, e.g., Rom_11:13; Rom_16:4; Gal_2:12, Gal_2:14; Eph_3:1.
2. hellen (G1672) originally denoted the early descendants of Thessalian Hellas; then, Greeks as opposed to barbarians, Rom_1:14. It became applied to such Gentiles as spoke the Greek language, e.g., Gal_2:3; Gal_3:28. Since that was the common medium of intercourse in the Roman Empire, Greek and Gentile became more or less interchangeable terms. For this term the RV always adheres to the word "Greeks," e.g., Joh_7:35; Rom_2:9, Rom_2:10; Rom_3:9; 1Co_10:32, where the local church is distinguished from Jews and Gentiles; 1Co_12:13.
B. Adjective.
ethnikos (G1482) is used as noun, and translated "Gentiles" in the RV of Mat_5:47; Mat_6:7; "the Gentile" in Mat_18:17 (KJV, "an heathen man"); "the Gentiles" in 3Jo_1:7, KJV and RV.
C. Adverb.
ethnikos (G1483), "in Gentile fashion, in the manner of Gentiles," is used in Gal_2:14, "as do the Gentiles," RV.
Notes: (1) For the synonymous word laos, "a people," see PEOPLE. (2) When, under the new order of things introduced by the gospel the mystery of the church was made known, the word ethnos was often used in contrast to the local church, 1Co_5:1; 1Co_10:20; 1Co_12:2; 1Th_4:5; 1Pe_2:12.
From Strongs:

G1484
ἔθνος
ethnos
eth'-nos
Probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe; specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan): - Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
Total KJV occurrences: 164

From Smith's

Gentiles
Gentiles. (nations). All the people who were not Jews were so called by them, being aliens from the worship, rites and privileges of Israel. The word was used contemptuously by them. In the New Testament, it is used as equivalent to Greek. This use of the word seems to have arisen from the almost universal adaption of the Greek language.

I can go on and on with this. So unless you can show me that your knowledge of the Koine Greek is superior to nearly everything available today, I will reject your terrible translation/interpretation. And besides, the God you describe is not the God of the Bible, but rather some god invented by one as disgustingly racist as you.
 
Thus, the world, His enemy, is without a prayer and without redemption that He had promised His Chosen people Israel. It's too bad you can't see this.
Oh Swami.... tell us this.

Since the piurpose of salvation is to cover only Hebraic Jews.... why did God the Father make it so difficult for His Son?

Especially since He could have sat on His throne in heaven and simply spoke the entire Hebraic Jew Salvation and annihilation to all the remaining.
 
Oh Swami.... tell us this.

Since the piurpose of salvation is to cover only Hebraic Jews.... why did God the Father make it so difficult for His Son?

Especially since He could have sat on His throne in heaven and simply spoke the entire Hebraic Jew Salvation and annihilation to all the remaining.
You clearly do not understand the Doctrine of Man.

What you read in your Gentile theology books is wrong. The teaching that God created man without sin is incorrect. Falling back on theology books, especially as written by today's theologians and scholars follow the same line of reasoning and it is this, that God can only create sinless beings, such as Adam and Satan/Lucifer who were without sin when created and that where man is concerned, his act of sin made him a sinner. The same error applies to Satan/Lucifer. But those conclusions are in error. In fact, the only way God can create man is using His image as the mold and when Adam sinned, he became marred, sinful because his sin did not come with deception as was done to the woman (Eve.) The predominant belief is that God cannot create evil and because of this man, Satan/Lucifer, and the woman were created without sin. Many have traded in their God-given intellect and fallen for the simplest explanation which on the face of it seems reasonable, but it is not. It creates a problem that many seem to overlook or even outright deny, and it is this: God is good and so everything He creates must also be good, holy, righteous, innocent, and sinless. And in holding to this false theology, they have changed the nature of sin into an act of sin which by the very definition completely destroy the Doctrine of Imputation.
And because you fall for this teaching as the right lesson to learn you have abdicated the gift of mind through which studying under the anointing with a good translation take the road most travelled as you check your brain at the door.
 
If that's true then Jesus changed the Law to make it universal and in doing so destroyed the Law.

That may be what people thougt but it was Jesus who said.... (Matt 5:17 ) "“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Think of it this way....


What Jesus means by “fulfill” (πληρόω)​


In Matthew 5:17, “fulfill” does not mean fixing a defective law or implying the Law was wrong or sinful. Rather, it means:

1. to bring to its intended goal

2. to fill up with full meaning

3. to bring to completion what it was pointing toward


The Law and the Prophets were complete as revelation for their time, but they were inherently forward-looking.


They were never meant to be the final state of God’s redemptive plan.

Your studies just have not gone far enough.
But you still cannot show me a Scripture in the Old Testament of a prophecy or promise that God would change the Law to include Gentiles. where's the Scripture?
 
That may be what people thougt but it was Jesus who said.... (Matt 5:17 ) "“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Think of it this way....


What Jesus means by “fulfill” (πληρόω)​


In Matthew 5:17, “fulfill” does not mean fixing a defective law or implying the Law was wrong or sinful. Rather, it means:

1. to bring to its intended goal
The intended goal was the atonement of the Hebrew people.
The building of the Tabernacle and the Law God gave for its use was only a shadow of a more final use later on.
The animal that was commanded to be sacrificed symbolized the means through which God would atone the sins of the Hebrew people. It was specifically to atone Israel's sins temporarily until God would send a more exhaustive sacrifice that would accomplish the same goal of atonement except move from temporary and perpetually to permanent and once for all.
2. to fill up with full meaning
On one side is the lamb of men, unblemished and the best specimen. On the other side, a lamb of God unblemished and a perfect specimen. God gave specifications on choosing out the lamb that was to be sacrificed and then God sent His Son in place of the lamb of men to die for the children of Israel. What was once temporary and specified, another was permanent and form-fitting.
3. to bring to completion what it was pointing toward
Exactly. The animal God told the Hebrews to sacrifice was to last for one year, and the sacrifice God provided was to last eternally. There were the shadow men offered and the type God offered. They were exactly the same except one was temporary and the other eternal. One was offered by men, and the other was offered by God. Nothing was changed. It's like standing straight up in the sun. Your body cast a shadow on the ground which was an outline of the actual reality that cast the shadow.

In short, Jesus died under the Law and in accordance with the Law as given by God in the building of the Tabernacle and for its use. In other words, Jesus died for the children of Israel the same the animal died for the children of Israel. There was no change, no additions and no subtractions. If non-Hebrew Gentiles were not atoned under the Law when the animal by men was sacrificed and whose blood was sprinkled on the Mercy Seat in Israel, then non-Hebrews were not atoned under the Law when the Son of God was sacrificed by God whose blood was sprinkled on the Mercy Seat in heaven. God didn't add non-Hebrews when He sent His Son because He didn't add non-Hebrews when men sacrificed animals. You say God fulfilled but you don't really believe that. Did the high priest of men leave Israel, go to non-Hebrew Gentiles, and offer sacrifices for their sin? No, the high priest never did that because that was never part of his instruction and command. He offered sacrifices for the children of Israel ONLY.
This means God offered a sacrifice for the children of Israel ONLY.
Type and shadow. One is the substance by which a shadow is cast, the other is the shadow from which the reality forms it.
The Law and the Prophets were complete as revelation for their time, but they were inherently forward-looking.

They were never meant to be the final state of God’s redemptive plan.

Your studies just have not gone far enough.
God creating man was forward-looking. After He locked up the angels that sinned, they saw God create a man from the dust of the ground and said, "Now, what is He up too?"
He later told them. He didn't show them because their sight was fuzzy and they were in darkness. There was no light for them to see anything.
 
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