All Claims of The Son's Deity

If Jesus Christ isn't God, then WHO purchased the church w/ His own blood? :unsure:

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers,
to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." Acts 20:28

I mean, He did say He's the first, & the last... was dead, & is alive :unsure:

"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;"
Revelation 2:8

Oh, the Jews knew exactly who Jesus was claiming to be. Otherwise, why would He say, I AM? Only God is I AM.
John 8:58; Exodus 3:13-14
John 8:58 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. "I am" was a common phrase and it isn't the name of anyone. At the last super, the disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ. They said literally, "Not I am, Lord" Matthew 26:22, 25. No one would say the disciples were trying to deny they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." "I am" was a common way of designating one self and it did not mean you were claiming to be God. The argument is made that because Jesus was "before" Abraham, Jesus must be God. Jesus figuratively existed in Abraham's time. He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man. In order for the Trinitariana rgument that Jesus' "I am" statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God's "I am" statement in Exodus 3:14. The two statements are very different. The Greek phrase in John does mean "I am." The Hebrew phrase in Exodus means "to be" or "to become." God was saying "I will be what I will be."
 
Who said anything about originals, Peterlag? The silly, yet common, argument is to say that b/c they're not the originals, we could never really say God therefore was able to keep His inspired, preserved, inerrant Word throughout all generations. Even copies were made in the Old Testament. Here's two examples:

Moses' Anger: Exodus 32:19
The Two Tablets Replaced: Exodus 34:1-4


Does this mean we can't be certain what the Ten Commandments were? Of course not!

Jeremiah's Scroll Read in the Temple: Chapter 36:1-19
The Scroll Is Burned: Chapter 36:20-26
The Scroll Is Replaced:
Chapter 36:27-32

Another thing to consider, the materials used to copy the texts were perishable. They would wear out through constant use.
This is to be expected with any ancient writing.
I don't know what your point is.
 
John 8:58 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. "I am" was a common phrase and it isn't the name of anyone. At the last super, the disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ. They said literally, "Not I am, Lord" Matthew 26:22, 25. No one would say the disciples were trying to deny they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." "I am" was a common way of designating one self and it did not mean you were claiming to be God. The argument is made that because Jesus was "before" Abraham, Jesus must be God. Jesus figuratively existed in Abraham's time. He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man. In order for the Trinitariana rgument that Jesus' "I am" statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God's "I am" statement in Exodus 3:14. The two statements are very different. The Greek phrase in John does mean "I am." The Hebrew phrase in Exodus means "to be" or "to become." God was saying "I will be what I will be."
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I don't know what your point is.
You must've forgotten about...
There are no orginals. All we have is copies of copies and the problem even on this website is I can quote a verse and someone else here can quote the same verse from a different Bible that says something completely different.
There's no such thing as a "different" Bible, just two "different" sets of manuscripts. There's a diamond in the rough, floating around in a sea full of counterfeits. It's any serious Bible student's job to figure out which is which 😉
 
You must've forgotten about...

There's no such thing as a "different" Bible, just two "different" sets of manuscripts. There's a diamond in the rough, floating around in a sea full of counterfeits. It's any serious Bible student's job to figure out which is which 😉
Yeah I already did that.
 
John 8:58 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. "I am" was a common phrase and it isn't the name of anyone. At the last super, the disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ. They said literally, "Not I am, Lord" Matthew 26:22, 25. No one would say the disciples were trying to deny they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." "I am" was a common way of designating one self and it did not mean you were claiming to be God. The argument is made that because Jesus was "before" Abraham, Jesus must be God. Jesus figuratively existed in Abraham's time. He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man. In order for the Trinitariana rgument that Jesus' "I am" statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God's "I am" statement in Exodus 3:14. The two statements are very different. The Greek phrase in John does mean "I am." The Hebrew phrase in Exodus means "to be" or "to become." God was saying "I will be what I will be."
The "I am" in Ex 3:14, in Hebrew "היה hâyâh" many definition by Bible lexicon but not one as - I will be what I will be.
And the "I am" in Ex 3:14 and John 8:58 bear the same Strong number in Greek, as "εἰμί eimi." See below;
That proves that what Jesus said in John 8:58 was in reference to Exodus 3:14.

Do you believe what Jesus said in John 5:37? That neither have heard the voice of the Father anytime?
Then whose voice was that on Exodus 3:14?
I believe, Jesus Himself as what He said in John 8:58.

Joh 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He has testified about Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.

Exo 3:14 And GodH430 saidH559 to MosesH4872, “N1 R1
I AMH1961 WHOH834 N1I AMH1961”; and He saidH559, “ThisH3541 isH3541 whatH3541 you shall sayH559 to the sonsH1121 of IsraelH3478: ‘N1I AMH1961 has sentH7971 me to you.’”

Exo 3:14 AndG2532 God saidG2036 G3588 G2316 toG4314 Moses,G* IG1473 amG1510.2.1 the oneG3588 being.G1510.6 AndG2532 he said,G2036 ThusG3779 you shall sayG2046 to theG3588 sonsG5207 of Israel,G* The oneG3588 beingG1510.6 has sentG649 meG1473 toG4314 you.G1473

Joh 8:58 [2saidG2036 3to themG1473 G3588 1Jesus],G* Amen,G281 amen,G281 I sayG3004 to you,G1473 BeforeG4250 AbrahamG* existedG1096 IG1473 am.G1510.2.1

H1961
היה hâyâh
BDB Definition:
1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
1a) (Qal)
1a1) -----
1a1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about, come to pass
1a1b) to come about, come to pass
1a2) to come into being, become
1a2a) to arise, appear, come
1a2b) to become
1a2b1) to become
1a2b2) to become like
1a2b3) to be instituted, be established
1a3) to be
1a3a) to exist, be in existence
1a3b) to abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time)
1a3c) to stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word of locality)
1a3d) to accompany, be with
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to occur, come to pass, be done, be brought about
1b2) to be done, be finished,
be gone

G1510
εἰμί eimi
 
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Whoooa, Nelly... is 101G suggesting that those who are saved NO longer sin??? Say it ain't so, 101G! o_O
Why did you jump to that conclusion? did 101G say this? so, are you sinning without KNOWLEDGE, but FYI as said, the saved can sin, and have the remedy for it. 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." but this is the saved. so, are you sinning and using 1 John 1:7 & 8 as an excuse.... (Smile)..... lol?

now, back to what 101G was saying, let God the HOLY Spirit, JESUS teach us. and if one have NOT the Spirit, then one is IGNORANT of God's wisdom and understanding, do you agree? yes or no?

101G.
 
To all,
let 101G position be clear, A. Jesus is God, the ONLY TRUE and LIVING God, the CREATOR of all things/Father. B. Jesus the Christ is the Equal Share of "GOD" Himself in flesh the redeemer of all that he has created/Son. C. the Holy Spirit/Ghost is JESUS the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') who is Father and Son in "Diversified Oneness", the EQUALSHARE of himself in flesh that was to come. meaning he Jesus/God is in Ordinal Designation of himself in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.

101G.
 
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