All Claims of The Son's Deity

[mikesw]

Finally you admit something true. So now you have the problem of finding the Word pre-existing in the OT and you still need to work out how the Word is a thing in 1 John 1:1-3 and why John clearly didn't believe Jesus is God in Acts 4:21-33. I would not want to be in your position having so much scripture completely contradicting your premise.

There you go again. Jesus cannot convey the idea of pre-existing when he says "before Abraham was, I am." Instead, Jesus has to use the word "incarnation" instead of the words he chose. Also, Jesus would have been obstructed from living until the cross if he had stated his pre-existence more clearly."

 

[mikesw]

No need because Jesus' disciples, directly under his supervision, did not baptize that way either.

The water baptism in Jesus' name is about discipleship. Being a disciple of the trinity is not a Biblical concept.

John 4
1When Jesus realized that the Pharisees were aware He was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John 2(although it was not Jesus who baptized, but His disciples),

You fabricate ideas here. It is not likely that Jesus was saying "I baptize you in the name of Jesus." Schoenheit advocates are becoming more desperate.

 

[Runningman]

There you go again. Jesus cannot convey the idea of pre-existing when he says "before Abraham was, I am." Instead, Jesus has to use the word "incarnation" instead of the words he chose. Also, Jesus would have been obstructed from living until the cross if he had stated his pre-existence more clearly."

Jesus isn't the I AM according to Exodus 3:14,15 and Acts 3:13. Jesus isn't the God of Abraham according to the Bible. Someone who isn't the God of Abraham being the I AM and pre-existing Abraham is not supported by Scripture. That's one of the great many lies your leaders have taught you. I am sure they would be proud you're perpetuating their half baked theology.

 

[Runningman]

You fabricate ideas here. It is not likely that Jesus was saying "I baptize you in the name of Jesus." Schoenheit advocates are becoming more desperate.

There is no evidence they were baptizing in the name of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." The Bible doesn't support your organization's version of baptism. And I like Schoenheit because he's a great Biblical theologian. Unfortunately, your church was founded by a raging anti-Semite named Martin Luther. Maybe people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[101G]

Different senses of "holy spirit" in Scripture. The Holy Spirit is God one in sense, but then in another sense the holy spirit can be a gift, an anointing, an empowerment, something someone can receive and/or lose. God Himself isn't a gift. Most trinitarian Bibles do a poor job with this distinction of where the holy spirit = a spirit of holiness or where the Holy Spirit = God. So I can understand why you would get thrown off without careful study.

(smile), Think..... God is a Spirit, got it?

101G

 

[Victoria]

Unlike Jesus, God can't even be tempted with sin. Do you agree with this? This is an important first step in learning the difference between Jesus and God.

Agreed, only God Himself can be tempted, & NOT sin. Only God can live a sinless, holy, perfect life. Only God can give, keep, the Ten Commandments, & the Mosaic law, perfectly. Worshiping anyone other than God alone is idolatry. Jewish monotheism strictly reserved worship for God alone, which explains the anger at Jesus' claim.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;" Exodus 20:3-5

If Jesus isn't God, why didn't He rebuke Thomas? John 20:28
If Jesus isn't God, then how could He possibly forgive sins? Mark 2:1-12
If Jesus isn't God, why did people bow down before Him in worship? Matthew 2:11; Mark 5:6; John 9:38

Only God alone can be the saviour of humanity (i.e. Isaiah 43:3; Isaiah 45:21). That's why 1 John 4:3 is extremely important b/c Satan wants you to believe otherwise to keep you lost. Remember, "Yea, hath God said"...

I AM THAT I AM
(Exodus 3:13-14)
I am the bread of life (John 6:35)
I am the light of the world (John 8:12)
I am the door of the sheep (John 10:7)
I am the good shepherd (John 10:11)
I am the resurrection, and the life (John 11:25)
I am the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6)
I am the true vine (John 15:1)
Before Abraham was, I am (John 8:58)

"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24

So again, the word repent doesn't mean to "stop/turn" from sin. Repent means a change of mind/heart.