Your Views on The Trinity

7xLightray said:
God's word explains how many the "in Our image" is in verse 27, male and female = two.
All things were created by God's spoken word Psalm 33:6. Jesus is that eternal living word that became flesh, God's literal Son. The living bread from heaven..is my flesh (Jn 6:51).
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Sorry, if I misquote the verse, what I want to point out is the three in the Trinity are mentioned in Genesis Chapter 1.
The Spirit in Gen 1:2 and God the Father with one that also had the power to create. (Col 1:16)

Yes, Jesus as you've said the eternal living word, which would mean He is from eternity, became flesh for us to have the hope of eternal life through Him.
 
Peterlag said:
The New Testament says Jesus can forgive sins and he's not God.
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Sorry, the New Testament says he is God

John 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

And the Old Testament shows it is only Yahweh who can forgive sin that is against him

So you throw away the Old Testament because it does not agree with you

And duh if sin is against Yahweh who else can forgive it

Daniel 9:9 (LEB) — 9 Compassion and forgiveness belong to the Lord, our God, for we have rebelled against him,

Hello forgiveness belongs to God

As I stated, you need to stop allowing your bias to cause you to disbelieve the word of God.
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You deny both testaments
 
Peterlag said:
There is no Scripture that shows Jesus is God.
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You are simply in denial

John 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 1:8 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom.
 
TomL said:
You are simply in denial

John 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 1:8 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom.
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Titus is the one that really cracks me up. That you can read God and Savior and switch it in your mind to mean God who is the Savior.
 
TomL said:
Sorry, the New Testament says he is God

John 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

And the Old Testament shows it is only Yahweh who can forgive sin that is against him



You deny both testaments
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Thomas is kinda funny to. The verse does not say Jesus is God nor is it a teaching that Jesus is God. “My Lord and my God.” A very likely way to understand John 20:28 is that Thomas had realized the power of God working in Jesus, and in saying “my Lord and my God” he was pointing out that Jesus did reveal God in a unique and powerful way. In seeing the resurrected Jesus, Thomas clearly saw both the Lord Jesus, and the God who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus always taught that he only did what God guided him to do, and said that if you had seen him you had seen the Father. In that light, there is good evidence that “doubting Thomas” was saying that in seeing Jesus he was also seeing the Father.

We have to remember that Thomas’ statement occurred in a moment of surprise and even perhaps shock. Only eight days earlier, Thomas had vehemently denied Jesus’ resurrection. Thomas could no longer deny that Jesus was alive and that God had raised him from the dead. Thomas, looking at the living Jesus, saw both Jesus and the God who raised him from the dead. When Thomas saw the resurrected Christ, he became immediately convinced that Jesus was raised from the dead. But did he suddenly have a revelation that Jesus was God? That would be totally outside of Thomas’ knowledge and belief. Jesus had never claimed to be God despite Trinitarian claims that he had.

In other places in the Bible where the apostles speak about the resurrection of Jesus, they do not declare “This proves Jesus is God!” Rather, they declare that God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead. The confession of the two disciples walking along the road to Emmaus demonstrated the thoughts of Jesus’ followers at the time. Speaking to the resurrected Christ, whom they mistook as just a traveler, they talked about Jesus. They said Jesus “was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and they crucified him." The disciples thought Jesus was the Messiah, a “Prophet” and the Son of God, but not God Himself.

Are we to believe that somehow Jesus taught the Trinity, something that went against everything the disciples were taught and believed, but there is no mention of Jesus ever teaching it anywhere, and yet the disciples somehow got that teaching? That seems too incredible to believe. There is no evidence from the gospel accounts that Jesus’ disciples believed him to be God, and Thomas upon seeing the resurrected Christ was not birthing a new theology in a moment of surprise.
 
TomL said:
So you throw away the Old Testament because it does not agree with you

And duh if sin is against Yahweh who else can forgive it

Daniel 9:9 (LEB) — 9 Compassion and forgiveness belong to the Lord, our God, for we have rebelled against him,

Hello forgiveness belongs to God

As I stated, you need to stop allowing your bias to cause you to disbelieve the word of God.
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@TomL , slight comment.....

@Peterlag asked for ....." All I ever asked was for a verse in the New Testament that says only God can forgive sins. And you have never been able to find one.

You gave him old.

I believe He is looking for proof that only the Father AKA God can forgive as a statement in the new testament so that would shore up his anti-trin views and that Jesus, as son, could not be God.
 
MTMattie said:
@TomL , slight comment.....

@Peterlag asked for ....." All I ever asked was for a verse in the New Testament that says only God can forgive sins. And you have never been able to find one.

You gave him old.

I believe He is looking for proof that only the Father AKA God can forgive as a statement in the new testament so that would shore up his anti-trin views and that Jesus, as son, could not be God.
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And Jesus DIDN'T just "Forgive SINS, He CLEANSED THEM with His BLOOD of the "Sin offering" on Calvary (Isa 53:10).

ANYBODY can forgive sins committed against themselves.
 
Fred said:
What proof is there that this took place?
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My proof is that I can spend time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.
 
Peterlag said:
My proof is that I can spend time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.
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How this demonstrates the validity of Christ's resurrection is beyond me.
 
Capbook said:
Sorry, if I misquote the verse, what I want to point out is the three in the Trinity are mentioned in Genesis Chapter 1.
The Spirit in Gen 1:2 and God the Father with one that also had the power to create. (Col 1:16)

Yes, Jesus as you've said the eternal living word, which would mean He is from eternity, became flesh for us to have the hope of eternal life through Him.
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Notice 2 Cor 3:17 reads Jesus is the spirit, and not Jesus is a spirit, and there is only one spirit (trinitarian doctrine teaches Jesus is not the Spirit and that the Spirit is not the Son, that would make two spirits if both are the Spirit and are not each other).

There are only two mentioned in Gen 1, God and the spirit of God. The spirit of God are the words of God, as it is said in John 6:63.
God created though/by His spoken word, Jesus was/is that spoken word, that became flesh, the person, a human. Jesus was living, but not another person when God created all things.

God was alone, by Himself, only one person created all things by Himself (Isa 44:24), by His spoken eternal living word that was with Him 1 John 1:1-2; Jn 1:1 (Gen 1 "God said.."; Psalm 33:6). Psalm 29:3 "The voice of the LORD is over the waters..," 4-9. Jesus is that voice of God, that was with Him from the beginning.
 

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