The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

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And adam betrayed him... and adam is the prince of the air ruling this current foreign land God calls Death.

 

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Okay. Adam ORIGINALLY was formed from the dust of the ground, i.e. flesh. Adam became a living soul, nep̄eš (nehfesh) when God breathed the breath of life into him. BEFORE this NO MAN EXISTED.

I'm not sure where your foundational belief system stems from but I don't believe it is correct and in turn --- I'm sure you don't think mine is correct.

Thank you for replying @amazing grace . dust in eden is not dirt on the current foreign land. we are not mud creatures...but were made npsh by God and his signature is not dirt... but yes, dust... His signature is on souls, not on the flesh which cannot enter paradise.

ha’eres means land or soil, and the ha’adamah refers to land or soil. ‘Adama 's where adam comes from and also references a land, as also the word ‘aphar as dust = land or soil. then what land is the right question... and of course, the context of Him is Eden paradise in the other reality, not this earth or world which is far from a paradise and whose nature KILLS and does not Love, lacking His character and in which everything dies.... consider his material death is NOT his character for He is life. ‘aphar dust which ends with a Resh representing His Spirit, really has a connection to Him, as light. so not dirt. Dirt on the other hand is inert matter, which is what everything here is made of and which has no feelings, no love, and no connection to him, and which perishes. yet nothing of His perishes!!! He declared His creation GOOD. A hurricane on this foreign land does not care and knocks down a house with people in it. Cancer does not care. The body is filled with microbes, parasites, death, and does not care, simply aging along to death with not a concern for the soul imprisoned in that material flesh, but only caring for the own needs and wants.

 

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my beliefs come from reading what He wrote, and studying every word he said, which is His Report, and the covenant to return us to our land, to our Original being in paradise, which has always been the goal, since adam betrayed Him and us.

 

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that is what rapture is... restoration to our original land and glorious body made by God. The sons will make the eden land new again, restore her with Christ, and rule their eden land with Christ.

 

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Thank you for replying @amazing grace . dust in eden is not dirt on the current foreign land. we are not mud creatures...but were made npsh by God and his signature is not dirt... but yes, dust... His signature is on souls, not on the flesh which cannot enter paradise.

ha’eres means land or soil, and the ha’adamah refers to land or soil. ‘Adama 's where adam comes from and also references a land, as also the word ‘aphar as dust = land or soil. then what land is the right question... and of course, the context of Him is Eden paradise in the other reality, not this earth or world which is far from a paradise and whose nature KILLS and does not Love, lacking His character and in which everything dies.... consider his material death is NOT his character for He is life. ‘aphar dust which ends with a Resh representing His Spirit, really has a connection to Him, as light. so not dirt. Dirt on the other hand is inert matter, which is what everything here is made of and which has no feelings, no love, and no connection to him, and which perishes. yet nothing of His perishes!!! He declared His creation GOOD. A hurricane on this foreign land does not care and knocks down a house with people in it. Cancer does not care. The body is filled with microbes, parasites, death, and does not care, simply aging along to death with not a concern for the soul imprisoned in that material flesh, but only caring for the own needs and wants.

then the Lord God formed the man ('āḏām 1. man, mankind; a. man, human being, b. man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT), c. Adam, the first man, d. city in Jordan valley)

of dust of the ground (ʿāp̄ār (aw-fawr') Hebrew: 1. dry earth, dust, powder, ashes, earth, ground, mortar, rubbish --- dry or loose earth, debris, mortar, ore)

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man ('āḏām 1. man, mankind; a. man, human being, b. man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT), c. Adam, the first man, d. city in Jordan valley)

became a living creature (soul) nep̄eš (nehfesh) 1. soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion; that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man, living being, living being (with life in the blood), the man himself, self, person or individual, seat of the appetites, seat of emotions and passions, activity of mind, activity of the will, activity of character

I figure earth, dirt, dust in Eden the same as earth, dirt, dust on the ground now. npsh ---- what is this related to?

Yeah, it seems we are on different ends of the spectrum in our beliefs.

 

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then the Lord God formed the man ('āḏām 1. man, mankind; a. man, human being, b. man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT), c. Adam, the first man, d. city in Jordan valley)

of dust of the ground (ʿāp̄ār (aw-fawr') Hebrew: 1. dry earth, dust, powder, ashes, earth, ground, mortar, rubbish --- dry or loose earth, debris, mortar, ore)

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man ('āḏām 1. man, mankind; a. man, human being, b. man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT), c. Adam, the first man, d. city in Jordan valley)

became a living creature (soul) nep̄eš (nehfesh) 1. soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion; that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man, living being, living being (with life in the blood), the man himself, self, person or individual, seat of the appetites, seat of emotions and passions, activity of mind, activity of the will, activity of character

I figure earth, dirt, dust in Eden the same as earth, dirt, dust on the ground now. npsh ---- what is this related to?

Yeah, it seems we are on different ends of the spectrum in our beliefs.

yes we are...since I do not think this is eden earth. There is no death in Eden like there is here, on every inch of this earth.

 

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I am sure all of you trinitarians have noticed by now, but the Trinity doctrine and all of its supporting doctrines are entirely circular in reasoning.

Did you ever notice how you all always begin with a presumption of a trinity god, you list all of your reasons why, but it always circles back to the beginning, all the way to square one, when asked where there is a working example of the trinity in action or someone at least defining the God of the Bible as three, a they, or them? Yet no one in all of history has been able to find that.

Consider the following common arguments produced by trinitarians, just to name a few:
"Jesus is a God-Man"
"Jesus is 100% man and 100% God"
"Jesus resurrected himself"
"Jesus pre-existed his birth"
"Jesus is the Word"
"God incarnated"

Yet the Bible doesn't say any of those things. There is no example of anyone saying Jesus is a God-Man, no examples of Jesus resurrecting himself or anyone saying he did, no examples of him pre-existing in the Old Testament either saying or doing anything. he was never called the Word, and the Bible never says Jesus incarnated.

Everything the trinitarian says begs the question: Why does the Bible never say what you say???

So what happened to all of these trinitarian people? What are they seeing that God, Jesus, the prophets, the disciples, and the early church didn't even talk about?

Can any one answer one or more of these questions:

Where in the Bible does anyone ever define God as three persons in one God?​

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Trinitarians claim the Trinity is central to Christianity. Why is it that there is not one example of it being taught to anyone in Acts or elsewhere in the New Testament? Why not the Old Testament?​

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Why do the inspired writers everywhere speak of God like a single person, i,e,. He, Him, His, but never as a they or them?​

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Why does terminology, or something similar, that says "Jesus is 100% God and 100% man" never appear in the Bible?​

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Why did no one say Jesus resurrected himself after he died?​

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If Jesus pre-existed as either the Word, or God, or a member of the trinity, why does the Bible never say that and why are there no examples of such in the Old Testament?​

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Why did the apostles always call Jesus "the man" (1 Tim. 2:5), "the Son of Man," or "the Son of God," but never "God the Son?"​

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If the early church really did believe in a Trinity then why were the early centuries filled with disputes regarding who Jesus was with the result not being codified into the Catholic church until the mid-to-late 4th century?​

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Why did they not agree the Holy Spirit is a 3rd member of the trinity until the late 4th century?​

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Why do Trinitarians rely heavily on extra-biblical words/phrases (Trinity, hypostatic union, God-man, incarnate, consubstantial, etc) instead of just using the words/phrases the Bible uses?​

my understanding from Him of trinity is not circular in reasoning

 

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Christ showed us our resurrection, restoration to God's reality, through His own resurrection. We've to die to this world, meaning take up our cross and follow Him, and return to Him to Eden.