Your Views on The Trinity

[TomL]

Titus is the one that really cracks me up. That you can read God and Savior and switch it in your mind to mean God who is the Savior.

Simply shows you are incapable of understanding

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Are you suggesting God and savior are inconsistent with one another?

Do you also have a problem with this

2 Peter 1:11 (LEB) — 11 For in this way entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly supplied for you.

Is Lord and savior also inconsistent in your mind?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The New Testament does however show Jesus can forgive sin.

"FORGIVING SIN" isn't what happens in the New Testament!!! SIN isn't "Forgiven" - it's CLEANSED COMPLETELY by Jesus' SIN OFFERING on Calvary (Isa 53:10).

 

[DavidTree]

That He made "them" plural in His image, which = two, male and female.

One IMAGE of GOD made HE male and female = Genesis 1:27

 

[7xLightray]

One IMAGE of GOD made HE male and female = Genesis 1:27

God made "them" in the image of "us" and "our."
And God made two in the image of the plural "us" and "our."
And the "us" and "our" is God and the spirit of God, which "spirit of God" is the image of Himself, and which "spirit of God" is His spoken eternal living word, and which word is God, for whatever was before creation is God.

So, there is first in Gen 1:1-2 God (the Father) and His image (the spirit of God, His word that was with Him).
Then there is in Gen 1:26-27 God and His image (the "us" and "our," which is the Father and the spirit of God), and God making man in that image of the "us" and "our," which would obviously be two (for there was God and His image (the spirit of God)).
And they were two separate beings, male and female, made in the image of "us" and "our," for God's image (the word) was made man (father and son, two separate beings (one made from the other, the Son made from God the Father, equal to God, for God is His Father)). Which image (spirit of God, the holy spirit, the word) became flesh.

Adam represents the Father, and the rib, or side of Adam (which became Eve), represents the Spirit of God.
And man was made in God's image, Adam a type of the Father, and Eve a type of the spirit of God that became the Son of God. And then the great mystery, Christ (the second Adam) a type of Adam (who is a type of the Father), and the church (a type of Eve made from Adam, in the image of Adam) made from Christ (His spirit), in the image of Christ (we will become like Him). I'll end it here.

 

[DavidTree]

God made "them" in the image of "us" and "our."
And God made two in the image of the plural "us" and "our."
And the "us" and "our" is God and the spirit of God, which "spirit of God" is the image of Himself, and which "spirit of God" is His spoken eternal living word, and which word is God, for whatever was before creation is God.

So, there is first in Gen 1:1-2 God (the Father) and His image (the spirit of God, His word that was with Him).
Then there is in Gen 1:26-27 God and His image (the "us" and "our," which is the Father and the spirit of God), and God making man in that image of the "us" and "our," which would obviously be two (for there was God and His image (the spirit of God)).
And they were two separate beings, male and female, made in the image of "us" and "our," for God's image (the word) was made man (father and son, two separate beings (one made from the other, the Son made from God the Father, equal to God, for God is His Father)). Which image (spirit of God, the holy spirit, the word) became flesh.

Adam represents the Father, and the rib, or side of Adam (which became Eve), represents the Spirit of God.
And man was made in God's image, Adam a type of the Father, and Eve a type of the spirit of God that became the Son of God. And then the great mystery, Christ (the second Adam) a type of Adam (who is a type of the Father), and the church (a type of Eve made from Adam, in the image of Adam) made from Christ (His spirit), in the image of Christ (we will become like Him). I'll end it here.

No, no, no my Brother in Christ

God made ONE image for Adam which is the SAME image for Eve, for Eve came from Adam.

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

 

[101G]

Who is the "he"???

HE the FATHER
HE the SON
HE the HOLY SPIRIT

the he in Matthews 19:4 is God. and here's why 101G knows this. for our brother Mark recorded the same conversation. LISTEN, Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." God here in Mark 10:6 is the he in Matthews 19:4 who made them male and female in the beginning.

so he who is GOD is a single person who made man male and female in the beginning. so, common sense suggests one need to address Genesis 1:26 ... AND ..... Genesis 1:27 again. because the Lord Jesus don't LIE.

101G.

 

[101G]

If you refer the God the Father as one person, yes. Because in Trinity for me is they are one in the nature of being God in three distinct persons.

if this is true, tell us, how many persons is this, who is GOD the LORD. listen carefully. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." is this two persons? before you answer, read this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." the term "ALSO" means, "in addition; too". think before you answer.

101G

 

[Johann]

the he in Matthews 19:4 is God. and here's why 101G knows this. for our brother Mark recorded the same conversation. LISTEN, Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." God here in Mark 10:6 is the he in Matthews 19:4 who made them male and female in the beginning.

so he who is GOD is a single person who made man male and female in the beginning. so, common sense suggests one need to address Genesis 1:26 ... AND ..... Genesis 1:27 again. because the Lord Jesus don't LIE.

101G.

You are committing a fallacy known as semantic fallacy of unipersonalism..
...equating grammatical singularity with ontological singularity of personhood. The name Elohim, though morphologically plural, often governs singular verbs and pronouns because it refers to a unified divine nature.

Nowhere in Scripture is God ever defined as one person..but rather as one being (see Deut 6:4, ἐστίν in LXX is is, not is one person).

God bless brother.

J.

 

[Peterlag]

Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus “the firstborn of all creation.” Scholars disagree on what this phrase means, but that is primarily because the doctrine of the Trinity obscures its simple meaning. Trinitarian doctrine states that Jesus is “eternal” but if that is true then he cannot be the firstborn “of all creation” because that would make him part of the creation. But the simple reading of Colossians 1:15 seems clear: Jesus is a created being. The BDAG Greek-English lexicon [entry under “creation”] explains the Greek word translated “creation” as “that which is created… of individual things or beings created, creature.” Not only was Jesus a created being, but he's also called the “firstborn” from the dead because he was the first one in God’s creation who was raised from the dead to everlasting life—a point that is also made in Colossians 1:18.

 

[dwight92070]

Christ

Wrong. MTMattie got it right. Both are forgiving sins because Christ is God, even as His Father is. 2 Corinthians 5:19

 

[dwight92070]

All I ever asked was for a verse in the New Testament that says only God can forgive sins. And you have never been able to find one.

2 Corinthians 5:19 - but you don't want to believe what it says. Duh. What else is new?

 

[dwight92070]

Simply shows you are incapable of understanding

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Are you suggesting God and savior are inconsistent with one another?

Do you also have a problem with this

2 Peter 1:11 (LEB) — 11 For in this way entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly supplied for you.

Is Lord and savior also inconsistent in your mind?

Peterlag said: Titus is the one that really cracks me up. That you can read God and Savior and switch it in your mind to mean God who is the Savior.

Here's what "cracks me up". Titus 2:13 is obviously speaking of the 2nd coming of Christ and Titus is saying that BOTH GOD AND JESUS ARE COMING, yet we know that only Jesus is returning - therefore Paul is saying that Jesus is God.

But once again, you choose not to believe the truth.

You have been given a massive amount of evidence, but you reject it all. To whom much is given, much is required.

 

[7xLightray]

No, no, no my Brother in Christ

God made ONE image for Adam which is the SAME image for Eve, for Eve came from Adam.

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Sure, God made one image (call it however many makes you happy) = Adam and Eve, which is the image of God, the "us" and "our" of Himself and the spirit of God.

Before in post#1,110 you were saying God just made Adam in God's image (your words: "God made ONLY One in His image = Adam"), but Gen 1:26 shows God made "them" in the image of "us" and "our." That is more than one.

He is making man in "our" image, and He is making "them" in "our" image. Making perfect sense; making plural for plural. It's basic reading comprehension IMO.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness; let them.. [plural "them" to go with the plural "us" and "our"]" This make "man" a "them." Straightforward!

Gen 1:27 "..He [singular "He," because there is only one person creating] created him; male and female He created them. [He created him in His image and He created them in His image]."
"Let us make man in our image..let them..So God created man in His own image..He created them." - If this will make it any clearer. Adam and Eve both are "man," or both human. Even as God and His word (or the spirit of God) are both God. Adam and Eve were created different than all other humans, all others were born.

"Them" are more then one Adam. straightforward! God made more than one in God's image, He made "them" in God's image.

 

[DavidTree]

Sure, God made one image (call it however many makes you happy) = Adam and Eve, which is the image of God, the "us" and "our" of Himself and the spirit of God.

Before in post#1,110 you were saying God just made Adam in God's image (your words: "God made ONLY One in His image = Adam"), but Gen 1:26 shows God made "them" in the image of "us" and "our." That is more than one.

He is making man in "our" image, and He is making "them" in "our" image. Making perfect sense; making plural for plural. It's basic reading comprehension IMO.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness; let them.. [plural "them" to go with the plural "us" and "our"]" This make "man" a "them." Straightforward!

Gen 1:27 "..He [singular "He," because there is only one person creating] created him; male and female He created them. [He created him in His image and He created them in His image]."
"Let us make man in our image..let them..So God created man in His own image..He created them." - If this will make it any clearer. Adam and Eve both are "man," or both human. Even as God and His word (or the spirit of God) are both God. Adam and Eve were created different than all other humans, all others were born.

"Them" are more then one Adam. straightforward! God made more than one in God's image, He made "them" in God's image.

Before in post#1,110 you were saying God just made Adam in God's image (your words: "God made ONLY One in His image = Adam"), but Gen 1:26 shows God made "them" in the image of "us" and "our." That is more than one.

God made ONE image for Adam which is the SAME image for Eve, for Eve came from Adam.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

God Says ONLY ONE Image was made = for Adam = Eve becomes of the ONE Image thru Adam

Shalom and Good Night

 

[DavidTree]

the he in Matthews 19:4 is God. and here's why 101G knows this. for our brother Mark recorded the same conversation. LISTEN, Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." God here in Mark 10:6 is the he in Matthews 19:4 who made them male and female in the beginning.

so he who is GOD is a single person who made man male and female in the beginning. so, common sense suggests one need to address Genesis 1:26 ... AND ..... Genesis 1:27 again. because the Lord Jesus don't LIE.

101G.

All THREE are GOD

the Hebrew word for 'God' is Elohim = PLURAL

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

 

[7xLightray]

God made ONE image for Adam which is the SAME image for Eve, for Eve came from Adam.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

God Says ONLY ONE Image was made = for Adam = Eve becomes of the ONE Image thru Adam

Shalom and Good Night

This doesn't change a thing of what was said in my post, so then are you agreeing with post#1,153, cause it sounds like you are, or could be?

 

[Peterlag]

2 Corinthians 5:19 - but you don't want to believe what it says. Duh. What else is new?

Here's 2 Corinthians 5:19. Now where exactly does it say that only God forgives sin?

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[Capbook]

if this is true, tell us, how many persons is this, who is GOD the LORD. listen carefully. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." is this two persons? before you answer, read this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." the term "ALSO" means, "in addition; too". think before you answer.

101G

Yes, I am thinking that the living One, who was dead and made alive said "I am the first and last".
Do you know who He is?

Rev 1:17-18
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last,
18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
NASB

 

[TomL]

Peterlag said: Titus is the one that really cracks me up. That you can read God and Savior and switch it in your mind to mean God who is the Savior.

Here's what "cracks me up". Titus 2:13 is obviously speaking of the 2nd coming of Christ and Titus is saying that BOTH GOD AND JESUS ARE COMING, yet we know that only Jesus is returning - therefore Paul is saying that Jesus is God.

But once again, you choose not to believe the truth.

You have been given a massive amount of evidence, but you reject it all. To whom much is given, much is required.

Peterlag consistently opposes scriptural revelation.

 

[TomL]

"FORGIVING SIN" isn't what happens in the New Testament!!! SIN isn't "Forgiven" - it's CLEANSED COMPLETELY by Jesus' SIN OFFERING on Calvary (Isa 53:10).

What is going on with you?

Acts 5:30–31 (NASB95) — 30 “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. 31 “He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:38 (LEB) — 38 “Therefore let it be known to you, men and brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and from all the things from which you were not able to be justified by the law of Moses,

Acts 26:18 (LEB) — 18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a share among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Romans 4:7 (LEB) — 7 “Blessed are they whose lawless deeds have been forgiven, and whose sins are covered over.

Ephesians 1:7 (LEB) — 7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace,

Colossians 1:14 (LEB) — 14 in whom we have the redemption, the forgiveness of sins,