DavidTree
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Agree with God who Says: "There is Only One Image of GOD"
Your Views on The Trinity
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7xLightray
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This does not tell me you disagree, but it seems to me you wish to take the path of post#1,049.
DavidTree
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TAKE the PATH of GOD = Genesis chapter 1 = Man has been created with One Image of GOD for ALL mankind.
Peterlag
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Why do you say only Jesus would be appearing when the Scriptures say God and Jesus Christ?
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Here's the Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,
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Peterlag
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You mean I consistently can read. God and Jesus does not mean God who is Jesus.
Here's the Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,
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Bob Carabbio
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When SIN is "Forgiven, it's still there, but the penalty for it is eliminated. In the OLD Testament, SIN was "Covered temporarily" looking forward to the SIN OFFERING on Calvary
When SIN is "CLEANSED", then it's totally gone. In the NEW Testament, Sin is ELIMINATED looking back to the SIN OFFERING on Calvary.
Hebrews gives more detail.
Simple as that!!!
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
ERROR, listen closely. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
HOW MANY "PERSONS" IS IN THIS VERSE... One person or two persons.... your answer please. and then we will know who is in ERROR.
afterward then we can "REASON" Deut 6:4, ....
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Peterlag
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What do you think of the following...
We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.
The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.
101G
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correct, but a PLURALITY of "ONE"
IN the Beginning? yes,
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
note definition #2. the First who is "ONE" of, of, of, of, HIMSELF.
correct, but notice plural ... "of" .... Who? answer
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
and who is H433? let's see.
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
See also: H430, H426
how many CREATORS do you have? before you answer, READ, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
and "ALONE" means, having no one else present:
now how many CREATORS you have?
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Peterlag
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There's reasons why the Bible does not teach the trinity in one whole paragraph in a few different places or a whole chapter or two on it. There's reasons why there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. There's reasons why there was never a debate about the trinity in Scripture like we see with justification by works or who should be circumcised. Such an important subject matter like the trinity and the Bible is silent on all of it.
And there's the spinning and twisting from the trinitarians who can't come up with one verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Trinitarians who can't come up with one verse that says why God would come to the earth as a man. Trinitarians who have to make up their own words that are not in the Bible. Words like trinity, deity, and incarnated.
If any of this nonsense was true and since it's so important and a huge subject to Christianity and is necessary for salvation like many teach. Then it would have been taught by someone somewhere. And it is not.
101G
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101G know
but do do you really know him, listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" and the angel who was sent said, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
well Cap, do you KNOW who the Lord God of the holy prophets is that sent his angel?
101G
ps the one you said,
18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
NASB
JESUS, who sent his angel, the Lord God of the holy prophets....... (smile).
101G
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God was in Christ? correct, but do we KNOW what that means. question, "is Christ God?". listen, 1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." so, was flesh, bone, blood with Israel in the wilderness? yes, or no.
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DavidTree
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The YHWH Elohim Ecahd is Over your head
If sin is forgiven in the New testament it is not still there
You need a better reply
Nope your problem seems to be you are in denial
Titus 2:13 (NASB95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
compounded by ignorance of Grandville sharp's rule
Peterlag
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God and Christ does not mean God who is Christ. They should have taught this in third grade.
synergy
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Notice the word "appearing". If God the Father is appearing to you then that means that you are again smoking some strong weed.
Titus 2:13 (NASB95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
Peterlag
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"While we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”
The NASB reads “…looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” In the NIV84, we await the “glorious appearing” of God, while in the NASB we await the “appearing of the glory” of God our Savior (this is a use of “Savior” where the word is applied in the context to God, not Christ.) “we wait for the... appearing of our great God and Savior’s glory—Jesus Christ” where “Jesus Christ” is the “glory of God” not God himself.
To Paul, God is clearly someone different from Christ Jesus. Secondly, God is called “Savior” just three verses earlier in Titus 2:10 (also in Titus. 1:3; 3:4). So it would not be out of the ordinary for both “God” and “Savior” to refer to the Father. God’s Word also teaches that when Christ comes, he will come with his Father’s glory: “For the Son of Man is about to come... in the glory of his Father” (Matthew 16:27). Its purpose is not to expound the doctrine of the Trinity in any way, nor is there any reason to assume that Paul would be making a Trinitarian reference here. It makes perfect sense for Scripture to call Christ “the glory of God.”
cc: @TomL @dwight92070
Do you mean that the angel sent by Jesus is “the first and the last?”
You show Ignorance once again
Titus 2:13 (NASB95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
2 Peter 1:1 (NASB95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
you are ignorant of Grandville sharp's rule
Statement of the rule "The following rule by Granville Sharp of a century back still proves to be true: `When the copulative KAI connects two nouns of the same case, if the article HO or any of its cases precedes the first of the said nouns or participles, and is not repeated before the second noun or participle, the latter always relates to the same person that is expressed or described by the first noun or participle; i.e., it denotes a further description of the first-named person.'" (A Manual Of The Greek New Testament, Dana & Mantey, p. 147) "Basically, Granville Sharp's rule states that when you have two nouns, which are not proper names (such as Cephas, or Paul, or Timothy), which are describing a person, and the two nouns are connected by the word 'and,' and the first noun has the article ('the') while the second does not, both nouns are referring to the same person." - James White The basic formula (in the Greek word order) may be seen in this manner: • Article (ho) + noun1 + and (kai) + noun2 Granville Sharp's rule says that since the definite article (ho, or its variant) precedes only the first noun and not both, then the reference is to one person -- this being the case in the verses quoted above
In fact, this same exact construction is used 4 other times in 2 Peter in relation to Christ:
“for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (tou Kyriou hemon kai Soteros ‘Iesou Christou).” 2 Peter 1:11 NKJV
“For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (tou Kyriou kai Soteros ‘Iesou Christou), they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.” 2 Peter 2:20 NKJV
“that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior (tou Kyriou kai Soteros),” 2 Peter 3:2 NKJV
“but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (tou Kyriou hemon kai Soteros ‘Iesou Christou). To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.” 2 Peter 3:18 NKJV
These point to our lord and savior who is Jesus Christ one person
And in Titus 2:13 and 2 Pe 1:1 it is the God and savior who is Jesus Christ again one person
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