Your Views on The Trinity

[MTMattie]

You are jumping from one Bible to the next both written in different times concerning different people. One is the Old Testament addressed to the Jews and the Other is the New Testament.

Nice try. No cigar.

The fact is that there have been two who offer salvation. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT IS OLD TESTAMENT OR NEW.

You deny Jesus is God. Yet He offers salvation in the new testament. He does no hand it off with some comment... A few Scriptures from above.

1 John 4:14​

the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior
our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

John 4:42
the Savior of the world.”
but in order that the world might be saved through him.
if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord you will be saved.
Christ is the head of the church, is himself its Savior.
“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”​

of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:​

our Savior Christ Jesus, ​

Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,​

Jesus, himself, was not visibly active in the Old Testament. God the Father was.

So two from the Godhead offer salvation.

If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.

 

[MTMattie]

The Bible does not see that there's not two of you when you're married. If it did we would have Scripture like husbands love yourself instead of love your wives.

So what? Since when dopes common man matter in anything ? We are talking about what God sees. We are talking about who God is.

Common man is so dense he cannot see the forest for the trees or understand what is plainly understood.

You are so like Nicodemus that when it is explained to you , you simply cannot grasp.

IF you cannot understand... meaning that you deny what was Holy Scripture in "the two shall become one flesh"...

How much more would YOU be confused even if it was written out in a baptism something like... Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, our great God.

YOU still would not believe because YOU either do not want to or you have been brainwashed.

Sad!

 

[dwight92070]

Folks keep giving me this a lot saying only God can forgive sins...

When I ask for a verse on that in the New Testament I am often given...

Mark 2:7
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Do folks realize such a verse is not doctrine, but rather what the unbelievers said. Let that sink in. For doctrine folks are posting what the unbelieving Jews said.

Obviously men can forgive each other and we are commanded to. However, even if we're forgiven for a wrong done to another person, we STILL need God's forgiveness. Finally then - ONLY GOD can forgive sins - the unbelievers, in this case, ARE CORRECT. Ultimate and final forgiveness and cleansing from our sins comes from only ONE source - 2 Corinthians 5:19 " ... God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, ..."

So you tell me. Who's doing the forgiving here? God or Christ?

 

[MTMattie]

Obviously men can forgive each other and we are commanded to. However, even if we're forgiven for a wrong done to another person, we STILL need God's forgiveness. Finally then - ONLY GOD can forgive sins - the unbelievers, in this case, ARE CORRECT. Ultimate and final forgiveness and cleansing from our sins comes from only ONE source - 2 Corinthians 5:19 " ... God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, ..."

So you tell me. Who's doing the forgiving here? God or Christ?

@Peterlag, @dwight92070

dwight92070,

So you tell me. Who's doing the forgiving here? God or Christ?

Both, for Christ is God.

Mark 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag, @dwight92070

dwight92070,

So you tell me. Who's doing the forgiving here? God or Christ?

Both, for Christ is God.

Mark 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

Christ

 

[Peterlag]

Obviously men can forgive each other and we are commanded to. However, even if we're forgiven for a wrong done to another person, we STILL need God's forgiveness. Finally then - ONLY GOD can forgive sins - the unbelievers, in this case, ARE CORRECT. Ultimate and final forgiveness and cleansing from our sins comes from only ONE source - 2 Corinthians 5:19 " ... God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, ..."

So you tell me. Who's doing the forgiving here? God or Christ?

The unbelievers are probably never correct and especially when Jesus refers to them as devil possessed or that they are of their father the devil.

 

[Peterlag]

So what? Since when dopes common man matter in anything ? We are talking about what God sees. We are talking about who God is.

Common man is so dense he cannot see the forest for the trees or understand what is plainly understood.

You are so like Nicodemus that when it is explained to you , you simply cannot grasp.

IF you cannot understand... meaning that you deny what was Holy Scripture in "the two shall become one flesh"...

How much more would YOU be confused even if it was written out in a baptism something like... Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, our great God.

YOU still would not believe because YOU either do not want to or you have been brainwashed.

Sad!

Interesting that I'm a common man that cannot understand biblical data.
But you are a common man who can.

You're like the guy who says when he speaks about the Scriptures it's God's Word.
When I speak about the Scriptures it's my opinion.

 

[Peterlag]

Nice try. No cigar.

The fact is that there have been two who offer salvation. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT IS OLD TESTAMENT OR NEW.

You deny Jesus is God. Yet He offers salvation in the new testament. He does no hand it off with some comment... A few Scriptures from above.

1 John 4:14​

the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior
our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

John 4:42
the Savior of the world.”
but in order that the world might be saved through him.
if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord you will be saved.
Christ is the head of the church, is himself its Savior.
“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”​

of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:​

our Savior Christ Jesus, ​

Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,​

Jesus, himself, was not visibly active in the Old Testament. God the Father was.

So two from the Godhead offer salvation.

This is not rocket science and therefore it's not hard to understand. God is the savior because He sent Jesus. Jesus is the savior because he was the one sent.

 

[Peterlag]

Long before Paul, it was revealed to the OT Prophets, especially Isaiah. Read Isaiah 53 and many other chapters that foretell the sufferings of the future Messiah and the upcoming Regeneration of his people.

We will all be in confusion if we do not understand that the OT looked forward to Jesus and the NT looks to Jesus. Everything is centered around Jesus. From his first appearing to man in the OT as the Preincarnate Jesus Deity, to his Cross, and now his reign in Heaven, everything is centered around Jesus who is our "Lord and God!" Once you understand the unity that Jesus makes possible throughout all eternity, the more you will be able to see the fact that Jesus is God.

1.) There's no Scripture that says Jesus had his first appearing to man in the Old Testament as the Preincarnate Jesus Deity.

2.) There's no Scripture that says Jesus who is our Lord and God.

 

[Peterlag]

So which one is He not?

Nothing is 100 percent of two things. The Catholics got you to swallow a basketball when they brainwashed you into Jesus is 100 percent man and 100 percent God.

 

[Peterlag]

The bible contradicts you

Hebrews 2:14–18 (NIV) — 14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. 17 For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.


Hebrews 1:3 (NIV84) — 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

How does the Bible contradict me when everything you posted agrees with what I posted?

 

[MTMattie]

Interesting that I'm a common man that cannot understand biblical data.
But you are a common man who can.

You're like the guy who says when he speaks about the Scriptures it's God's Word.
When I speak about the Scriptures it's my opinion.

I say you do not know what he reads.

Daughter of the King ~ Rella

 

[Peterlag]

Um it is Yahweh who forgives sin.

And duh if sin is against Yahweh who else can forgive it

Daniel 9:9 (LEB) — 9 Compassion and forgiveness belong to the Lord, our God, for we have rebelled against him,

You need to stop allowing your bias to cause you to disbelieve the word of God.

All I ever asked was for a verse in the New Testament that says only God can forgive sins. And you have never been able to find one.

 

[MTMattie]

This is not rocket science and therefore it's not hard to understand. God is the savior because He sent Jesus. Jesus is the savior because he was the one sent.

 

[MTMattie]

All I ever asked was for a verse in the New Testament that says only God can forgive sins. And you have never been able to find one.

All you have asked for is a verse that you can throw out that would make you believe that it was the Father only who could forgive sins. When Jesus came, in the flesh, that is God but you refuse to agree... you simply want some confirmation that only the Father
forgives when it is those within the godhead that do.

This is not good fruit you are bearing.

You have been given every verse that shows God the Son forgives... unless I have missed one....

You either believe God forgives as Father or Son or you don't.

It is in front of your eyes.....

 

[Fred]

Nothing is 100 percent of two things.

Already refuted.

Time for you to think of a new absurdity because that one didn't work.

 

[Peterlag]

You've just proven Jesus human nature like His mother human mother Mary have limitations also like His brothers and us in every respect. Jesus though in the form of God emptied Himself and take the form of a servant in the likeness of men.

You didn't address my question, why your honest and logical answer to Jesus as "Son of man" cannot be applied to Jesus as the "Son of God?" as His Father is God.

Let me make my point by a question, can you make an honest answer starting with this phrase, "Jesus' as His Father is God cannot be God." Why? You may cite your reasons.

This speaks about God the Father's Divine Nature. (Acts 17:29)
Also this text speaks about God the Father's divine nature. (Rom 1:20)
For in Jesus all the fullness of Deity(Godhead) dwells in bodily form.(Col 2:9)
As Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, deity, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

This proves Jesus in the nature of God, divine being divine nature, etc. Those are verses from literal word for word Bible translation that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages, that Bible words can be checked by Bible lexicons.

(NASB) Act 17:29 “Therefore, since we are the descendants of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by human skill and thought.
(NASB) Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

What verse says Jesus emptied himself from his Godhood?
I never saw a question that I needed to answer and I still don't. Keep in mind that you understand your thinking but I do not. Can you ask it plainly with only one verse?

Colossians 2:9 is saying Christ was filled with all the fullness of God, and the next verse says that we believers have what Christ had, and Ephesians 3:19 is saying that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Does that make me God too?

 

[Peterlag]

All you have asked for is a verse that you can throw out that would make you believe that it was the Father only who could forgive sins. When Jesus came, in the flesh, that is God but you refuse to agree... you simply want some confirmation that only the Father
forgives when it is those within the godhead that do.

This is not good fruit you are bearing.

You have been given every verse that shows God the Son forgives... unless I have missed one....

You either believe God forgives as Father or Son or you don't.

It is in front of your eyes.....

Here's the deal: God says he will forgive their sins and remember them no more. He accomplished that in Christ Jesus.
Jesus who is the son of God (and not God) can also forgive sins.

Therefore the unbelieving probably possessed Pharisees were wrong.

 

[Peterlag]

Already refuted.

Time for you to think of a new absurdity because that one didn't work.

We need to tell Albert Einstein that he and I are wrong because according to you two things can be 100 percent at the same time.

 

[101G]

Now consider that this passage is DIRECTLY connected to the above passage by counting to THREE:

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

consider this, Jesus said God is ONE PERSON, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," he is one person, and Jesus said God is a "HE", do you believe Jesus?

101G.