Peterlag
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If anyone was 100 percent of two things. Then they would be 200 percent. Your religion is weird.
Your Views on The Trinity
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Peterlag
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Again, you guys are like little kids playing in God's sand box not understanding the Scriptures or the power of God. You are jumping from one Bible to the next both written in different times concerning different people. One is the Old Testament addressed to the Jews and the Other is the New Testament. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.
What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
I'm beginning to understand better that the heresy that ails you is Dispensationalism. You are a Dispensationalist. You hide behind that heresy thinking that it answers your questions. Little do you know that Dispensationalism is considered a heresy because it fragmentizes the Bible into numerous dispensational parts with two redemptive programs. It teaches that God deals with people differently at different periods of history, which destroys the unity and coherence of Scripture.
MTMattie
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Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God,-As-Savior
God as Savior
Most Relevant Verses
Isaiah 45:21-22
“Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together.
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the Lord?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
“Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.
Isaiah 43:11
Verse Concepts
“I, even I, am the Lord,
And there is no savior besides Me.
Jeremiah 3:23
Verse Concepts
“Surely, the hills are a deception,
A tumult on the mountains.
Surely in the Lord our God
Is the salvation of Israel.
Hosea 13:4
Verse Concepts
Yet I have been the Lord your God
Since the land of Egypt;
And you were not to know any god except Me,
For there is no savior besides Me.
2 Samuel 22:1-3
And David spoke the words of this song to the Lord in the day that the Lord delivered him from the hand of all his enemies and from the hand of Saul. He said,
“The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge,
My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge;
My savior, You save me from violence.
Psalm 18:2
Verse Concepts
The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer,
My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge;
My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psalm 3:8
Verse Concepts
Salvation belongs to the Lord;
Your blessing be upon Your people! Selah.
Isaiah 52:10
Verse Concepts
The Lord has bared His holy arm
In the sight of all the nations,
That all the ends of the earth may see
The salvation of our God.
Psalm 98:2
Verse Concepts
The Lord has made known His salvation;
He has revealed His righteousness in the sight of the nations.
Isaiah 49:6
Verse Concepts
He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also make You a light of the nations
So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
Luke 3:4-6
as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet,
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness,
‘Make ready the way of the Lord,
Make His paths straight.
‘Every ravine will be filled,
And every mountain and hill will be brought low;
The crooked will become straight,
And the rough roads smooth;
And all flesh will see the salvation of God.’”
Romans 1:16
Verse Concepts
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Exodus 15:2
Verse Concepts
“The Lord is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation;
This is my God, and I will praise Him;
My father’s God, and I will extol Him.
Psalm 118:14
Verse Concepts
The Lord is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation.
1 Samuel 2:1
Verse Concepts
Then Hannah prayed and said,
“My heart exults in the Lord;
My horn is exalted in the Lord,
My mouth speaks boldly against my enemies,
Because I rejoice in Your salvation.
2 Samuel 22:2-3
He said,
“The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge,
My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge;
My savior, You save me from violence.
Psalm 18:46
Verse Concepts
The Lord lives, and blessed be my rock;
And exalted be the God of my salvation,
Psalm 28:8
Verse Concepts
The Lord is their strength,
And He is a saving defense to His anointed.
Psalm 85:9
Verse Concepts
Surely His salvation is near to those who fear Him,
That glory may dwell in our land.
Genesis 49:18
Verse Concepts
“For Your salvation I wait, O Lord.
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Source: https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_being_the_savior_of_the_world
John 4:42
They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world.”
Luke 19:10
For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
Get over it.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God,-As-Savior
God as Savior
Most Relevant Verses
Isaiah 45:21-22
“Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together.
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the Lord?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
“Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.
Isaiah 43:11
Verse Concepts
“I, even I, am the Lord,
And there is no savior besides Me.
Jeremiah 3:23
Verse Concepts
“Surely, the hills are a deception,
A tumult on the mountains.
Surely in the Lord our God
Is the salvation of Israel.
Hosea 13:4
Verse Concepts
Yet I have been the Lord your God
Since the land of Egypt;
And you were not to know any god except Me,
For there is no savior besides Me.
2 Samuel 22:1-3
And David spoke the words of this song to the Lord in the day that the Lord delivered him from the hand of all his enemies and from the hand of Saul. He said,
“The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge,
My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge;
My savior, You save me from violence.
Psalm 18:2
Verse Concepts
The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer,
My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge;
My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psalm 3:8
Verse Concepts
Salvation belongs to the Lord;
Your blessing be upon Your people! Selah.
Isaiah 52:10
Verse Concepts
The Lord has bared His holy arm
In the sight of all the nations,
That all the ends of the earth may see
The salvation of our God.
Psalm 98:2
Verse Concepts
The Lord has made known His salvation;
He has revealed His righteousness in the sight of the nations.
Isaiah 49:6
Verse Concepts
He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also make You a light of the nations
So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
Luke 3:4-6
as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet,
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness,
‘Make ready the way of the Lord,
Make His paths straight.
‘Every ravine will be filled,
And every mountain and hill will be brought low;
The crooked will become straight,
And the rough roads smooth;
And all flesh will see the salvation of God.’”
Romans 1:16
Verse Concepts
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Exodus 15:2
Verse Concepts
“The Lord is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation;
This is my God, and I will praise Him;
My father’s God, and I will extol Him.
Psalm 118:14
Verse Concepts
The Lord is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation.
1 Samuel 2:1
Verse Concepts
Then Hannah prayed and said,
“My heart exults in the Lord;
My horn is exalted in the Lord,
My mouth speaks boldly against my enemies,
Because I rejoice in Your salvation.
2 Samuel 22:2-3
He said,
“The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge,
My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge;
My savior, You save me from violence.
Psalm 18:46
Verse Concepts
The Lord lives, and blessed be my rock;
And exalted be the God of my salvation,
Psalm 28:8
Verse Concepts
The Lord is their strength,
And He is a saving defense to His anointed.
Psalm 85:9
Verse Concepts
Surely His salvation is near to those who fear Him,
That glory may dwell in our land.
Genesis 49:18
Verse Concepts
“For Your salvation I wait, O Lord.
_____________________________________________
Source: https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_being_the_savior_of_the_world
Jesus Being The Savior Of The World
1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.Titus 2:13
Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”John 4:42
They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world.”
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.John 3:16-17
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.Romans 10:9
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.John 1:29
The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.Luke 1:47
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,Matthew 1:21
She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”2 Peter 1:1
Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:2 Timothy 1:10
And which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,Colossians 1:14
In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.Philippians 3:20
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,Luke 19:10
For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
Revelation 5:8-9
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,
Jude 1:24-25
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.2 Peter 3:18
But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
2 Peter 1:11
For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 4:10
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
ERGO: God the Father. God the Son. 2 of 3 in one Godhead.
Get over it.
MTMattie
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As weird as being one flesh with your wife?
Yeah, salvation has been the same OT and NT. Faith in the Redeemer. In the OT looking forward to Jesus..in the NT... looking back at Jesus' sacrifice.
Dispensationalists I think have a different mode of salvation in the OT.
Also they usually have the church starting at Acts 2.. when actually Jesus was with His disciples as the first church before Pentecost. Pentecost is a church empowered..not started.
Dispensationalists I think have a different mode of salvation in the OT.
Also they usually have the church starting at Acts 2.. when actually Jesus was with His disciples as the first church before Pentecost. Pentecost is a church empowered..not started.
Jesus forgave sin
However It was another who stated only God can forgive sin
However
Mark 2:7 (LEB) — 7 “Why does this man speak like this? He is blaspheming! Who is able to forgive sins except God alone?”
Luke 5:21 (LEB) — 21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who is able to forgive sins except God alone?”
Isaiah 43:25 (LEB) — 25 I, I am the one who blots out your transgressions for my sake, and I will not remember your sins.
Daniel 9:9 (LEB) — 9 Compassion and forgiveness belong to the Lord, our God, for we have rebelled against him,
Micah 7:18–19Who is a God like you, forgiving sin and passing over rebellion for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, for he delights in loyal love. He will again have compassion on us; he will trample our iniquities. And you will hurl all their sins in the depths of the sea.
The truth is there is one God who consists of three persons
DavidTree
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Dispensation is corrupt doctrine from man/religion
It's all beginning to make sense why @Peterlag has a difficult time trying to align NT Jesus with the OT Preincarnate Jesus Deity and to come to the conclusion that Jesus is God.
Not sure what you are saying here
2 in 2 verses
Acts 17:29Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and device of man.
Col 2:9for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,
The Modern Language Bible: Berkeley Version
Col 2:9For in Him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
The New King James Version
2 in 2 verses
Rom 1:20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Col 2:9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Literal Standard Version
3 in 3 verses
Acts 17:29Being, therefore, offspring of God, we ought not to think the Godhead to be like to gold, or silver, or stone, [an] engraving of art and imagination of man;
Rom 1:20for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, by the things made being understood, are plainly seen, both His eternal power and Godhead—to their being inexcusable;
Col 2:9because in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,
there are others
Peterlag
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You are not 100 percent or two different items at the same time. You can be a 100 percent of son and a 100 percent of a father. But the laws of physics will not allow you to be both at the same time.
Peterlag
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Again, you continue to quote the unbelieving Jews who were probably possessed for doctrine.
Peterlag
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Yep same as the wife. You are both two people. When you got married there was still two of you.
MTMattie
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Thank you so much for those.Not sure what you are saying here
American Standard Version
2 in 2 verses
Acts 17:29Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and device of man.
Col 2:9for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,
The Modern Language Bible: Berkeley Version
Col 2:9For in Him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
The New King James Version
2 in 2 verses
Rom 1:20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Col 2:9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Literal Standard Version
3 in 3 verses
Acts 17:29Being, therefore, offspring of God, we ought not to think the Godhead to be like to gold, or silver, or stone, [an] engraving of art and imagination of man;
Rom 1:20for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, by the things made being understood, are plainly seen, both His eternal power and Godhead—to their being inexcusable;
Col 2:9because in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,
there are others
I stand corrected.
But what I was making reference to when I thought only KJV had Godhead as such... (I try to avoid) is that should it become more common to refer to the Godhead when speaking or referencing the Trinity, it might be easier for folks to think in terms of 3 within and not 3 Gods....
MTMattie
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But one flesh according to the bible. So if this be so... and you are correct then 3 under the Godhead are one....
Why can you not see that??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
Peterlag
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You are jumping from one Bible to the next both written in different times concerning different people. One is the Old Testament addressed to the Jews and the Other is the New Testament. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.
What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
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