Your Views on The Trinity

[Peterlag]

We cannot approach the Bible with wisdom and “reason together” if we must continue...

to make up and use non-biblical phrases to support our theology. The Bible calls Jesus the “Son of God” for the simple reason that he had a beginning. Trinitarian doctrine denies this and invents the phrase "God the son" and continues to invent non-biblical phrases such as eternally begotten, trinity, deity, and incarnated.

The Bible says Jesus is an “heir” of God (Hebrew 1:2), and a “joint-heir” with us (Romans 8:17). But if Christ is a co-eternal “Person” in the “Godhead” then he cannot be an heir “of God” because being God would put him into a position to be a full owner of everything and that would mean there would be nothing he could “inherit” which is why Jesus cannot be God and an heir of God at the same time.

The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the “image of God” Colossians 1:15; 2 Corinthians 4:4). If Christ is the image of God, then he cannot be God because a person cannot be himself and an image of himself at the same time. Jesus can be called the “image” of God because he always did the will of God, and because he was the image of God is why he could say you had seen the Father if you had seen him.

 

[MTMattie]

We cannot approach the Bible with wisdom and “reason together” if we must continue...

to make up and use non-biblical phrases to support our theology. The Bible calls Jesus the “Son of God” for the simple reason that he had a beginning. Trinitarian doctrine denies this and invents the phrase "God the son" and continues to invent non-biblical phrases such as eternally begotten, trinity, deity, and incarnated.

The Bible says Jesus is an “heir” of God (Hebrew 1:2), and a “joint-heir” with us (Romans 8:17). But if Christ is a co-eternal “Person” in the “Godhead” then he cannot be an heir “of God” because being God would put him into a position to be a full owner of everything and that would mean there would be nothing he could “inherit” which is why Jesus cannot be God and an heir of God at the same time.

The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the “image of God” Colossians 1:15; 2 Corinthians 4:4). If Christ is the image of God, then he cannot be God because a person cannot be himself and an image of himself at the same time. Jesus can be called the “image” of God because he always did the will of God, and because he was the image of God is why he could say you had seen the Father if you had seen him.

If you are talking to me... then we wont because I understand differently then you do.

Toodles

 

[Peterlag]

The reason you cannot come up with the 3 parts of God is because there are none. We can only come up with 2 which are...

1.) Jesus.
2.) Holy Spirit.
And Jack after that.

The original question...
If...

1.) Jesus is God.
2.) Holy Spirit is God.
3.) What's the third one________?

And please names and titles are not parts or living creatures. I am made of blood, skin, bones, nerves, etc. I am not made of brother, son, cousin, father, uncle, etc.

 

[MTMattie]

The reason you cannot come up with the 3 parts of God is because there are none. We can only come up with 2 which are...

1.) Jesus.
2.) Holy Spirit.
And Jack after that.

The original question...
If...

1.) Jesus is God.
2.) Holy Spirit is God.
3.) What's the third one________?

And please names and titles are not parts or living creatures. I am made of blood, skin, bones, nerves, etc. I am not made of brother, son, cousin, father, uncle, etc.

I am going to start to collect people and put them in a special category of Pete, repeat, copy and paste.

As annoying as I find you usually to be... I thought you were above that... but here you are because you cant think
of anything else to talk about and want to get your posts up?

 

[DavidTree]

Disagree? ..... with the bible? ....LOL, LOL, LOL, sure, your choice, this is a free country. ........

so we can take your disagreement with the bible as an acknowledgement of total rebellion against God? thought so, for the scriptures are correct.

A. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" 2 Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

B. WHY THIS OPPOSITION and exalting oneself above all that is called God, (his Word, the bible)? here's why, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

have a nice day..... (smile).

101G.

Disagree? ..... with the bible? ....LOL, LOL, LOL,

Hey, you did LOL 3x = Do you finally SEE

 

[Peterlag]

I am going to start to collect people and put them in a special category of Pete, repeat, copy and paste.

As annoying as I find you usually to be... I thought you were above that... but here you are because you cant think
of anything else to talk about and want to get your posts up?

Copy and Paste? Would it change the data if I hand wrote it every time I use it? The trinity folks use the same Scripture day in and day out. Should I write by hand my take on John 1:1 and Philippians 2:6 on 5 different platforms every time I see it everyday? Would that change the meaning of the words or would it just be being stupid by not saving the data since I see the same John 1:1 and Philippians 2:6 everyday?

 

[MTMattie]

Copy and Paste? Would it change the data if I hand wrote it every time I use it? The trinity folks use the same Scripture day in and day out. Should I write by hand my take on John 1:1 and Philippians 2:6 on 5 different platforms every time I see it everyday? Would that change the meaning of the words or would it just be being stupid by not saving the data since I see the same John 1:1 and Philippians 2:6 everyday?

Peter,

I wrote that before a number of things happened yesterday and I apologize.

I should not even be posting here . That was basically suggested by someone here.

Maybe I should not.

So please ignore anything I have said pro trinity... or even pro anything because I need to get my head back on straight
and recover my faith to the point that tthe Spirit will once again write through me.

I am sorry

 

[101G]

Hey, you did LOL 3x = Do you finally SEE

LOL..... (smile) .... did you see. YIKES!

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;..." John 14:9.

The key to understanding John 6:46 is knowing that the phrase “seen the Father” does not refer to seeing with one’s physical eyes but figuratively to “knowing the Father.” Jesus knew God, not because he lived and talked with God in heaven before his birth on earth, but because God revealed Himself more clearly to Jesus than He had to anyone else. Jesus made this clear in other teachings when he said “For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does…” (John 5:20).

In both Hebrew and Greek, words that are translated “see” throughout the Bible often mean “to know or realize.” The Hebrew word ra’ah is used for both seeing with the eyes and knowing something, or perceiving it (Genesis 16:4; Exodus 32:1; Numbers 20:29). Similarly, the Greek word horaō (ὁράω) translated “see” in John 1:18, 6:46; and 3 John 1:11, can mean “to see with the eyes” or “to see with the mind, to perceive, to know.” Even in English, one of the definitions for “see” is “to know or understand.” For example, when two people are discussing something, one might say to the other, “I see what you mean.”

The usage of “see” as it pertains to “knowing” is found in many places in the New Testament. For example, Jesus said to Philip, “…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;…” (John 14:9). Here again the word “see” is used to indicate “knowing.” Anyone who knew Jesus (not just those who “saw” him) would know the Father. In fact, Jesus had made that clear two verses earlier when he said to Philip, “If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you know him, and have seen him” (John 14:7). In this verse, Jesus says that those who know him have “seen” the Father.

 

[mikesw]

"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;..." John 14:9.

The key to understanding John 6:46 is knowing that the phrase “seen the Father” does not refer to seeing with one’s physical eyes but figuratively to “knowing the Father.” Jesus knew God, not because he lived and talked with God in heaven before his birth on earth, but because God revealed Himself more clearly to Jesus than He had to anyone else. Jesus made this clear in other teachings when he said “For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does…” (John 5:20).

In both Hebrew and Greek, words that are translated “see” throughout the Bible often mean “to know or realize.” The Hebrew word ra’ah is used for both seeing with the eyes and knowing something, or perceiving it (Genesis 16:4; Exodus 32:1; Numbers 20:29). Similarly, the Greek word horaō (ὁράω) translated “see” in John 1:18, 6:46; and 3 John 1:11, can mean “to see with the eyes” or “to see with the mind, to perceive, to know.” Even in English, one of the definitions for “see” is “to know or understand.” For example, when two people are discussing something, one might say to the other, “I see what you mean.”

The usage of “see” as it pertains to “knowing” is found in many places in the New Testament. For example, Jesus said to Philip, “…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;…” (John 14:9). Here again the word “see” is used to indicate “knowing.” Anyone who knew Jesus (not just those who “saw” him) would know the Father. In fact, Jesus had made that clear two verses earlier when he said to Philip, “If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you know him, and have seen him” (John 14:7). In this verse, Jesus says that those who know him have “seen” the Father.

Peterlag's key does not work. Maybe he went to the wrong door.
If they are not blind (not withstanding the man who had been blind), they could visually see Jesus and see who he is and what he is doing. They could see God in the flesh despite not seeing the Father in the unseeable fashion. The point by Jesus works both in the visible and perceptual sense. Just do not use word games to dissuade people from what scripture shares with us.

 

[Runningman]

Yes.


No proof for your outlandish assertion.


Dodge of Romans 10:13.

Try not doing that next time.

Jesus is not named YHWH and YHWH is not named Jesus. Case closed.

 

[Fred]

Jesus is not named YHWH and YHWH is not named Jesus. Case closed.

Your mind is closed to the truth.

 

[Runningman]

Your mind is closed to the truth.

YHWH is never called Jesus or vice versa.

 

[Fred]

YHWH is never called Jesus or vice versa.

Jesus is YHWH (Rom. 10:13).

 

[Runningman]

Jesus is YHWH (Rom. 10:13).

That verse means Jesus is not YHWH. The Bible never says to call on the name of Jesus to be saved.

Joel 2
32And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD
will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance, as the LORD has promised,
among the remnant called by the LORD.

 

[Fred]

That verse means Jesus is not YHWH.

Quite the opposite.

The Bible never says to call on the name of Jesus to be saved.

Joel 2
32And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD
will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance, as the LORD has promised,
among the remnant called by the LORD.

This is the OT text Paul used in reference to Jesus.

Thanks for posting it.

 

[Runningman]

Quite the opposite.



This is the OT text Paul used in reference to Jesus.

Thanks for posting it.

Yes, Paul is using the Joel 2:32 text for reference. Read the context of Romans 10:13 and quit distorting the Bible.

 

[Fred]

Yes, Paul is using the Joel 2:32 text for reference.

Yes, in reference to Jesus.

Thanks.

 

[Runningman]

Yes, in reference to Jesus.

Thanks.

Um, I am not even going to ask where the Bible says Jesus is named YHWH or vice versa. I already know it doesn't exist.

 

[Fred]

Um, I am not even going to ask

That's good.

Remain silent and learn.