Your Views on The Trinity

ABSOLUTEL = ONE Image of God = Adam = Eve from Adam = ONE Image of God for Adam and the SAME Image for Eve
So, you are not a trinitarian?
This made it sound as if you were...
ELohim is always THREE = Beginning in Genesis chapter 1


"In the beginning Elohim" = FATHER
The Spirit of Elohim that hovers over the waters is the HOLY SPIRIT
The Spirit that Spoke is the WORD that is Elohim = John 1:1

Genesis 1:26 - THREE = "Elohim said, let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness

Why were two created in the image of Elohim???

IMPORTANT = Elohim made ONE Man in HIS Image

The woman was made from the man = BOTH made in the image of Elohim

This is a MYSTERY but it Speaks of CHRIST and HIS Church/Body/Bride
So you are now saying there were not "THREE" in the beginning, but two?

Not:
"Genesis 1:26 - THREE = "Elohim said, let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness,"
but
Genesis 1:26 - TWO = "Elohim said, let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness,
for God only made two in His image, not three. He made man in God's image, and God had called man (that He created in His image) male and female.
 
So, you are not a trinitarian?
This made it sound as if you were...

So you are now saying there were not "THREE" in the beginning, but two?

Not:
"Genesis 1:26 - THREE = "Elohim said, let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness,"
but
Genesis 1:26 - TWO = "Elohim said, let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness,
for God only made two in His image, not three. He made man in God's image, and God had called man (that He created in His image) male and female.
Elohim is THREE

We are told Elohim is THREE from Genesis chapter 1 and Forward to Revelation.

Is a 'trinitarian' a new vegetarian recipe???
 
The YHWH Elohim Ecahd is Over your head
(Smile) .... Listen,
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
[plural of H433]?
don't let that go OVER your head..... :cool: YIKES.

101G.
 
Then why did they feel it necessary to change up the wording in baptism in the NT to in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Matthew 28:18-20 (NASB)

Depending on your particular belief of the meaning of Baptism, forgivenes and sin eradication. or salvation... as only God would have these powers why all 3 now are mentioned?
first thanks for the reply, second, "the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit". which are ... TITLES" of the ONE PERSON, JESUS in Diversity, or the EQUAL SHARE of himself, (per Philippians 2:6). the NAME of the Father is JESUS, the NAME of the Son is JESUS, because JESUS is the NAME of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

now in BAPTISM, the NAME..... Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." did the apostle baptized in the ..... Name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit? no, because they are the titles of JESUS, the Lord. ... ok?

be blessed,

101G
 
Elohim is THREE
You just agreed God made two in His image, not three. It's not possible to agree with me and Gen 1:26-27 and then say, we are told three.
We are told Elohim is THREE from Genesis chapter 1 and Forward to Revelation.
Where our we told that in Gen 1?! It's impossible! It does not explained three in Gen 1. It clearly explains two. God did not make three in His image.
But you are correct that we are told about THREE in Revelation. In Rev. 13 we are told about the 3-in-1 God that they worship. In Genesis chapter 1 we are told about two, God and His image, as we are told in John 17:3.
Is a 'trinitarian' a new vegetarian recipe???
You're not sure if you are, or not? Do you you know if you believe in a three in one God?
 
Here are several Bible verses that affirm Jesus uniquely shares or reveals the Glory of God, emphasizing that His Glory is not just like God’s but actually is God's own Glory:


God says He shares His Glory with no one. When we see Jesus possessing God's Glory, this implies Jesus is God. Whoever understands logic let him listen and learn.


Here Jesus speaks of preexistent Divine Glory shared with the Father before creation — a glory only God can possess. How many people do you know that are uncreated, existed before creation?


Jesus isn't just reflecting God's glory; He is its radiance — its very outshining. And Jesus has the same exact nature as God the Father. Who else do you know who has God's exact nature?



I will take it that you do not have a verse that says only God can possess the glory of God... preferably in the New Testament since you found Hebrews 1:3 that says Jesus is in the brightness of God's glory.
 
You just agreed God made two in His image, not three. It's not possible to agree with me and Gen 1:26-27 and then say, we are told three.
GINOLJC, to all.
correct, God made two or as the Greeks say, "ANOTHER", of himself. an "equal share" of oneself is the image. for woman came out of the man. because the plurality of H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') is an "ECHAD" of, of, of "ONE"

101G
 
So, the true God Father and the angel to you are "the first and the last"?
the ... "ONLY" ... "TRUE" ... and ..... "LIVING", God who is the Father ... WHO SENT "HIS" ANGEL is "JESUS".

and get this Jesus is the "First" and the "Last"...... "the Lord God of the Holy Prophets".

101G
 
the only bibles are these new translations that need burning, which are misleading. keep the KJV.... Ok.

101G.
No thank you.... I have found more fault with Jimmy's bible then enough and this just nails it for me.

REFORMATION RUMBLINGS
BUFF SCOTT, JR.


History Is Calling Out To Be Heard

Being Clear From The Beginning
I think it might be expedient to say that if King James had not intervened in the efforts of his Hebrew and Greek scholars, the KJV of the Scriptures might have turned out to be among the most accurate translations. His interference and dictatorial decrees must have annoyed his scholars and surely impeded their endeavor to translate the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts flawlessly—or at least as closely as possible to the oldest available manuscripts.

Consequently, most of the blame for the distorted sections of the KJV should be ascribed to King James, not to his translators. The King’s preferences relating to “church,” “Easter,” “baptize,” “Bishop,” plus other Biblical terms, had to be adhered to by his translators. Indeed he became the foremost innovator of “Mad Church Disease,” “Mad Easter Disease,” “Mad Bishop Disease,” and other theological disfigurements. The “side-effects” from the King’s blunders can be seen in the myriads of divisions, discords, and schisms among us.

He told his translators, “When any word hath divers significations, that to be kept which has been most commonly used by the most eminent fathers, being agreeable to the propriety of the place, and the analogy of the faith.”



To paraphrase the King, “When any word has different meanings, you are to keep only the most commonly used by the most eminent church fathers who founded our faith, regardless of the Greek’s implication.”www.bible-researcher.com/kjvhist.html


The King’s Decrees To His Translators
Please give your attention to the History. King James instructed his translators, “The old ecclesiastical words to be kept...” He insisted that all ecclesiastical terms be retained. In Hebrews 2:12 of the KJV, the writer quotes from Psalms 22:22, “For which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, saying, ‘I will declare thy name unto my brethren; in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto you.’

The Psalmist passage in the KJV reads, “I will declare thy name unto my brethren; in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.” The Hebrew word for “congregation” is kaw-hawl, which means assembly, company, congregation, community. The Greek counterpart for congregation or assembly is ekklesia. The King’s method of manipulating is almost unbelievable, for in Psalms 22:22 “congregation” is accurate, but in Hebrews 2:12 “church” is inaccurate, faulty translated, spurious, and a total distortion of the Greek.

Travel With Me To Acts, Chapter 19

It can easily be demonstrated that King James was inconsistent and manipulative. In verses 32, 39, and 41, ekklesia correctly delivers “assembly.” My concern is why did his translators fail to translate ekklesia “church” in these passages, as they did elsewhere? If they and the King had been logically compatible, we would have, “For the church was confused,” “It shall be determined in a lawful church,” and “He dismissed the church.”


The reason for this discrepancy is evident. The king forced “church” into his translation to bolster his sect, The Established Church of England. The point I wish to make is if ekklesia is delivered correctly here, it is delivered incorrectly wherever “church” is found. There is no escaping this fact. The King went wild in using “church.” In verse 37, he even used it in place of “temple!”

One of the foundational features of The Established Church of England sect was that she was colonized around “church,” just as our religious parties are. Hence, to keep “church” out of his version of the scriptures would have made him appear as though he were King and Head of a commonplace congregation or assembly. That would have been degrading!

“Church” And Other Translations
“Church” became so common following the KJV that most all other translations followed suit. There are a few exceptions, however. The Authentic New Testament [1955], translated by Hugh J. Schonfield, a Jew, gives “congregation” as the translation of ekklesia. Alexander Campbell’s Living Oracles [1800s] does not carry “church.” He used “church” in some of his writings, but he left it out of his Living Oracles. He knew the Greek ekklesia did not justify it. Another translation destitute of “church” is The Christian Bible [1991].

The deliberate mistake made by King James has cost us dearly, for contemporary religions have pounced upon his offense by creating and establishing sects and factions under the guise of “church” until they have divided and sub-divided themselves out of practical existence. The result? An apostate system.

Another one of the King’s unsightly terms is “Bishop,” as used in 1 Timothy 3:1 and Titus 1:7. The Established Church of England had autocratic leaders called “Bishops.” The Greek in the Timothy passage is ep-is-kop-ay' and means “inspection” or “superintendence”—in short, an overseer or superintendent.

The Greek in Titus is ep-is'-kop-os, signifying leadership abilities, overseer, or one in charge. Age-wise, these men were elders and gifted with wisdom, hospitably, and self-controlled. Young inexperienced men were never referred to as “elders,” for they are usually hot-headed and lack control and wisdom. “Bishop” portrays authority, control, and supremacy, the exact personality of The Established Church of England. Our Lord did not found this sort of ekklesia.

One More Botch
Let’s briefly address one more of the King’s botches before we close—namely, “Easter,” as found in Acts 12:7. The Greek is pascha, meaning Passover. I have before me Adam Clarke’s treatise on The Acts of the Apostles. Clarke was a renowned Hebrew and Greek theologian (1762-1832). Here are his comments on King James’ deliberate indiscretion. They are mentally stimulating!

The goddess Easter, whose festival was celebrated by our pagan forefathers on the month of April...Perhaps there never was a more unhappy, not to say absurd, translation than that in our text...Every view we can take of this subject shows the gross impropriety of retaining a name every way exceptionable and palpably absurd” (pages 774-775).

And there we have it. Other translations correct many of King James’ missteps and mistakes, but not all errors have been rectified—particularly “church.” I suspect we are stuck with it until time is no more. But I will never again use it as a unifying appellation, glorify it, or praise it. I am forever finished with “Mad Church Disease,” except to reveal its partisan, divisive colors.
 
GINOLJC, to all.
correct, God made two or as the Greeks say, "ANOTHER", of himself. an "equal share" of oneself is the image. for woman came out of the man. because the plurality of H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') is an "ECHAD" of, of, of "ONE"

101G
Yes, two beings that are one.
 
[]Travel With Me To Acts, Chapter 19[/]
It can easily be demonstrated that King James was inconsistent and manipulative. In verses 32, 39, and 41, ekklesia correctly delivers “assembly.” My concern is why did his translators fail to translate ekklesia “church” in these passages, as they did elsewhere? If they and the King had been logically compatible, we would have, “For the church was confused,” “It shall be determined in a lawful church,” and “He dismissed the church.”
was this an “assembly” of believers or a “assembly” of a body of those of a Syncretism.

[]One More Botch[/] Let’s briefly address one more of the King’s botches before we close—namely, “Easter,” as found in Acts 12:7. The Greek is pascha, meaning Passover. I have before me Adam Clarke’s treatise on The Acts of the Apostles. Clarke was a renowned Hebrew and Greek theologian (1762-1832). Here are his comments on King James’ deliberate indiscretion. They are mentally stimulating!
G3957 πάσχα pascha (pas'-cha) aram.
the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it).
[of Chaldee origin]
KJV: Easter, Passover

now did the church keep this? no, listen to the true term, Matthew 26:1 "And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples," Matthew 26:2 "Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified."

The days of "FEAST" ,

as sis burn those false translations.

101G.
 
(Smile) .... Listen,
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
[plural of H433]?
don't let that go OVER your head..... :cool: YIKES.

101G.
It hasn't = ELOHIM is THREE
 
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