Your Views on The Trinity

[DavidTree]

Three persons, one God.

Three Persons Who Comprise that which we cannot fully contemplate = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT = Echad Elohim

Authenticated by Elohim in Genesis
Authenticated by JESUS in His Gospel
Authenticated by the Apostles
Finalized in Revelation

 

[Peterlag]

Allow the Word of God to sink deep within your heart/mind.

"No one can forgive sins but God..............."

Do you have a verse to go along with that?

 

[DavidTree]

Do you have a verse to go along with that?

Question: Can a person receive Salvation without God forgiving them of their sins?

 

[synergy]

Do you have a verse to go along with that?

Jesus is God. It's proven in 3 easy steps:

1. God is the Only Savior (from the Old Testament), and
2. Jesus is called the Only Savior (in the New Testament),
3. Therefore, Jesus must be God.

1. The Old Testament: Only God is the Savior​

The OT makes exclusive claims about God being the only Savior:

• Isaiah 43:11 – “I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior.”
• Hosea 13:4 – “You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.”
• Isaiah 45:21 – “There is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me.”

These verses are absolute—God alone saves. No human, angel, or created being can hold that title.

2. The New Testament: Jesus is the only Savior​

• Titus 2:13 – “…while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”
• Acts 4:12 – “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
• John 4:42 – “…we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”

These verses repeatedly call Jesus the only Savior.

3. Therefore, the only Savior is both Jesus and God which means Jesus is God.​

 

[Peterlag]

Question: Can a person receive Salvation without God forgiving them of their sins?

Not sure if I understand the question. Are you referring to a persons sin nature that is destroyed the moment the spirit of Christ enters the Christian?

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus is God. It's proven in 3 easy steps:

1. God is the Only Savior (from the Old Testament), and
2. Jesus is called the Only Savior (in the New Testament),
3. Therefore, Jesus must be God.

1. The Old Testament: Only God is the Savior​

The OT makes exclusive claims about God being the only Savior:

• Isaiah 43:11 – “I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior.”
• Hosea 13:4 – “You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.”
• Isaiah 45:21 – “There is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me.”

These verses are absolute—God alone saves. No human, angel, or created being can hold that title.

2. The New Testament: Jesus is the only Savior​

• Titus 2:13 – “…while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”
• Acts 4:12 – “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
• John 4:42 – “…we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”

These verses repeatedly call Jesus the only Savior.

3. Therefore, the only Savior is both Jesus and God which means Jesus is God.​

Not true. God is considered the savior because he sent Jesus. Jesus is considered the savior because he was sent. What you do is jump from one concept to another using your own imagination, human reasoning, and picking one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here and a clue there and then you construct your "own God" which is the product of your own human reasoning process, speculations and assumptions. Nothing more.

I can by using the same concept prove anything including that the Apostle Peter was in the garden with Eve.

1.) Eve called the devil Satan
2.) Jesus called Peter Satan
3.) Therefore Peter was with Eve

 

[synergy]

Not true. God is considered the savior because he sent Jesus. Jesus is considered the savior because he was sent. What you do is jump from one concept to another using your own imagination, human reasoning, and picking one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here and a clue there and then you construct your "own God" which is the product of your own human reasoning process, speculations and assumptions. Nothing more.

Did you notice that my logic contained the word "only" as God being only Savior? So you don't believe that God is our only Savior?

I can by using the same concept prove anything including that the Apostle Peter was in the garden with Eve.

1.) Eve called the devil Satan
2.) Jesus called Peter Satan
3.) Therefore Peter was with Eve

Using your logic, it looks like Satan is your only Savior also. You better get out of that satanic religion of yours before its too late.

 

[Peterlag]

Did you notice that my logic contained the word "only" as God being only Savior? So you don't believe that God is our only Savior?

Using your logic, it looks like Satan is your only Savior also. You better get out of that satanic religion of yours before its too late.

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100%man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God. The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.

 

[Fred]

Nothing can be 100% of two different things.

I am a father and I am a son.

100% of both.

 

[synergy]

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100%man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God. The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.

So you want to run away from the subject of God and Jesus being the only Savior to the subject of the dual natures of Jesus. I understand why you want to do that because you have no case against God and Jesus being the only Savior. Don't you believe that God and Jesus is our only Savior? Your inability to disprove that fact proves that Jesus is God.

Using your logic, it looks like Satan is your only Savior also. You better get out of that satanic religion of yours before its too late.

 

[Peterlag]

So you want to run away from the subject of God and Jesus being the only Savior to the subject of the dual natures of Jesus. I understand why you want to do that because you have no case against God and Jesus being the only Savior. Don't you believe that God and Jesus is our only Savior? Your inability to disprove that fact proves that Jesus is God.

Using your logic, it looks like Satan is your only Savior also. You better get out of that satanic religion of yours before its too late.

How is it you say I'm running away? Was there something else of the topic that I missed? Let's see the last sentence from you was...

Using your logic, it looks like Satan is your only Savior also. You better get out of that satanic religion of yours before its too late.

 

[synergy]

How is it you say I'm running away? Was there something else of the topic that I missed? Let's see the last sentence from you was...

Using your logic, it looks like Satan is your only Savior also. You better get out of that satanic religion of yours before its too late.

So you agree with my conclusion? I'm asking because I see no counterargument from you.

My other conclusion is that since you didn't argue against God and Jesus is our only Savior then that proves that Jesus is God. I saw no argument from you against that.

 

[Peterlag]

I am a father and I am a son.

100% of both.

Is there two of you?

You are not 200 percent of anything. Nor are you 100 percent of two. You are 100 percent of a son and 100 percent of a father. There is not two of you.

 

[Peterlag]

The most damage the trinity does is that it takes Jesus right out of the picture...

Jesus is the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, and the now resurrected Lord Christ to the Christian who sits at the right hand of God as second in command and is the head of the Church that is called the body of Christ.

You don't have the Lord Christ if you make him God.

 

[Capbook]

GINOLJC to all,
HOW? please show it in Genesis 1: ... thanks in advance.

101G.

The Spirit of God was hovering over the water and God speak with someone whom have also the power to create. (Col 1:16)

Gen 1:2
2 And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
NASB

Gen 1:26-27
26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
NASB

 

[Capbook]

The most damage the trinity does is that it takes Jesus right out of the picture...

Jesus is the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, and the now resurrected Lord Christ to the Christian who sits at the right hand of God as second in command and is the head of the Church that is called the body of Christ.

You don't have the Lord Christ if you make him God.

Jesus as the "Son of God" based on your reply, I believe it has deep meaning. May I present to you a simple logic;
1. Jesus as "Son of man", as His mother is human Mary, is He man or not?
2. Jesus as "Son of God" as His Father is God, is He God or not? Why the honest and logical answer to the first question cannot be applied to the second one? Why and kindly explain.

 

[TomL]

Do you have a verse to go along with that?

Forgive sin?

Mark 2:10 (LEB) — 10 But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,”—he said to the paralytic—

 

[Fred]

Is there two of you?

Irrelevant, because there is only one Jesus.

You are not 200 percent of anything.

Never claimed I was.

Nor are you 100 percent of two.

Yes, I am. I am a father and a son.

You are 100 percent of a son and 100 percent of a father.

See my previous response. Let it sink in.

There is not two of you.

See my first response and let that also sink in.

Incredible.

 

[MTMattie]

@7xLightray

Elohim(God) declare They are Three from the very beginning in Genesis chapter 1

The Scriptures Declare that Elohim is Echad

JESUS declares that They are Echad(One)

The Apostles declare that They are Echad(One)

Revelation declares that They are Echad(One)

Edhad= 1 godhead

 

[MTMattie]

Yes, one God in three persons

You know.... one thing I believe the KJV provided for us to use that is in NO OTHER translation, and as much as I avoid the KJV for all the reasons that have ever been pointed out in various and assundry forums.....

I think if folk started to thein and speak in terms of "THE Godhead" that would allow many to see 1 covering the three.