Your Views on The Trinity

Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God:

Colossians 1
15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

The only God is invisible:

1 Timothy 1
17Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
So when Isaiah saw the Lord High and Lifted up he saw the invisible?

You really haven't given this much thought at all.
 
That was a vision, wasn't it?

A vision? No. He SAW the Lord High and Lifted up. He was transported to the very throne of God. I suppose your god is incapable of such things.

Paul spoke of how he was transported to the third heaven and saw things unlawful to speak of....

You need to get to know the Scriptures better. You're only listening to the voice of others. Not the voice of God in the Scriptures.

Also, pay attention to the oldest canonical book in any collection....

Job 19:26 And after my skin has been thus destroyed, yet in my flesh I shall see God,
Job 19:27 whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another. My heart faints within me!
 
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@Runningman
Israel is not only Jesus' people,
Never said they were! Where did you get that from my post? That goes to show just how well folks like you truly following alone. That's one reason why you run in two's.
This is your unscriptural opinion. The difference between Scripture and opinion is that Scripture does not state your opinion.
Then your job is to prove it wrong, which you did not, nor can you.
Those are examples of a vision and divine revelation.
What in the world are you trying to say? The scriptures are clear:

John 1:48​

“Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.”

Luke 6:8​

“But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth.”

Matthew 12:25​

“And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:”
I will agree, that these are indeed Divine revelation from the Holy Ghost to God's children, that Jesus was much more than just a man, he was indeed God manifest in the flesh, just as the word of God teaches us!

"Example of vision" ~
then you must agree that no man ever had such "open visions" of another man's heart as Jesus had! Which proved that he was more than a man.
Jesus is never called the I AM
Is that your final answer?

John 8:58​

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

I am who?

Revelation 1:11​

“Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.”

You men are void of the Spirit of God and you will lose this battle with any person who has the truth on this subject. I will not waste a lot of time with you two.
 
Romans 9
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen by race. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; 5 to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever. Amen.
I had not looked at this passage close enough. Although I recognized the association of Jesus with the Israel bloodline with the phrase "according to the flesh," the parallel association is that beyond the flesh he is God over all. There appears to be lack of any other reason to have "God" here. The sequence of Runningman's translation even shows "God" in closer proximity to "Jesus" but the NASB matches the Greek sequence a bit better: "whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen." However, the punctuation is odd since "God" does not modify "blessed." (Blessed would have to be a verb rather than a noun. )

For Runningman and Peterlag, the better arguments by unitarians requires avoiding the passages that speak of the divinity of Christ.
 
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I'm starting to think more and more each day that many of the trinity folks are brain dead. I post the following and they respond with...

Matthew 28:19

I post the following again and they post...

Matthew 28:19

Nobody in Acts ever baptized in the name of the father, son, and holy spirit. Nothing like that is taught in the Epistles which is the doctrine of the new covenant. And all these people listed in the following say the verse you love and keep quoting was never in the Bible...

Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to the words Father, Son and Holy Ghost in the 2nd Century. -Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365.

The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century. - Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53.

Christian baptism was administered using the words "in the name of Jesus." page 377. Baptism was always done in the name of Jesus until the time of Justin Martyr, page 389. - Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume 2.

Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by their church. - Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 263.

The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus. - Schaff & Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435.

It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. - Hastings Dictionary of Bible, page 88.
 

There's no Trinity...

The verses that are used to try to teach it are all taken out of context, or not understood how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation. It's an evil Catholic concept that was sold to the world mostly by the power of the sword.

The folks back then weren't allowed to have Bibles to read for themselves. The rejection of the Trinity often brought severe punishment including the loss of your job, intimidation, harassment, confiscation of property, jail or imprisonment, torture, and even burning at the stake.

But now I have noticed intelligent and informed input on the subject of debating the Trinity comes from the unitarian camp. It seems low intelligence, ignorance, and an incapacity for critical thought are prerequisites for membership in trinitarian circles.

Here's an example...

Concerning 1 John 5:7-8 where it has the words "In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth" are words that are not found in any Greek Manuscript before the 15th or 16th century and in no ancient Version. - E. W. Bullinger., A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament: (London: Samuel Bagster & Sons, 1975), p. 11 of Appendix A.

Trinitarians...
You are changing the Scriptures. Or 2 Peter 2:21 says the Bible is not to be privately interpreted. Or why are you denying the words of the Apostles?


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