Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition
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synergy
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Trinity is defined by God the Father, God the Son (Word of God), and God the Holy Spirit. So can you focus on that?
Wrangler
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Classic deflection of trinitarians. Sweep aside all evidence against the Trinity and forever put up for discussion verses you prefer.
Jesus refers to "my God" 4 times in one sentence in Revelation 3:12. Yet, somehow, you keep rationalizing that a man who has a God is his own Creator,
Wrangler
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I am focusing on destroying the anti-scriptural concept of the trinity by every means.
Wrangler
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No error. Just because you exist before A and B does not mean you are not a created Being. Jesus is a created Being; this is what son's are, created Beings. This is why the trinity is wrong by definition.
Jesus cannot be the son of God and God. Scripture says he is the son of God. That's good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?
101G
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Lord here is
G2962 κύριος kurios (kï '-riy-os) n.
1. lord, supreme in authority, the one in control.
2. (also, by implication) sir or master (as a title showing respect for others).
3. (in Hebrew) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually Yahweh God of Israel - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
4. (in Hebrew) Yahweh. Outside the Hebraic Scriptures, rabbis rendered the name “Yahweh” as “LORD” or as “GOD” with the intent to keep this name utterly holy and away from any hint or speck of desecration. This practice continues fervently to this day.
5. (of ownership) an owner (especially of an animal or object).
[from κῦρος kŷrȏs “supremacy”]
KJV: God, Lord, master, Sir
see how the KJV translated it ..."God", and "Lord" now, the angel said the Lord God sent him. and Jesus said he sent the angel. COMMON SENSE DICTATES JESUS is the Lord God of the Holy Prophets.
101G.
your seventh ERROR of the day, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
Lord here is
G2962 κύριος kurios (kï '-riy-os) n.
1. lord, supreme in authority, the one in control.
2. (also, by implication) sir or master (as a title showing respect for others).
3. (in Hebrew) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually Yahweh God of Israel - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
4. (in Hebrew) Yahweh. Outside the Hebraic Scriptures, rabbis rendered the name “Yahweh” as “LORD” or as “GOD” with the intent to keep this name utterly holy and away from any hint or speck of desecration. This practice continues fervently to this day.
5. (of ownership) an owner (especially of an animal or object).
[from κῦρος kŷrȏs “supremacy”]
KJV: God, Lord, master, Sir
see how the KJV translated it ..."God", and "Lord" now, the angel said the Lord God sent him. and Jesus said he sent the angel. COMMON SENSE DICTATES JESUS is the Lord God of the Holy Prophets.
101G.
synergy
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Caught between a rock and a hard place I see. You're the one that just swept aside Rev 19:11-16. Why won't you address it? Instead you ran away as fast as your legs can take you.
101G
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in the ECHAD, YES..... LOL, LOL, LOL, this is why you ERROR all the time..... meaning number NINE ......... ERROR,
YIKES!101G.
Wrangler
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You know, I once did a detailed analysis of heavyweight champions. The scope of the analysis was their championship record. So, while the "0" is impressive, once you look at the championship record Marciano drops to the middle of the pack with only 8 championship fights.Plus Marciano was the greatest- 49-0 with 43 KO's. Not even close.
3 fighters had 3x as many championship fights. They rose to the top of my analysis.
The top 2 are Ali and Joe Louis. Along with Mike Tyson, who was also in the middle of the pack due to so few championship fights, their careers were interrupted for 4 years due to political factors. Louis, due to WWII. Ali due to the Vietnam War and refusing to be drafted. Tyson due to a bogus rape charge.
synergy
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I'm not sweeping anything aside. What's wrong with Jesus saying "My God" a thousand times? They are both God by virtue of the fact that they are both sharing the same one God nature. And the Word of God is who created everything per John 1:2, which proves that He is uncreated.
Rev 3:12 Him who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will go out no more. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name.
Wrangler
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Because I'm not falling for you deflection.
If you want to discuss other Bible verses, feel free to start your own thread.
101G
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@Wrangler,
LISTEN, 101G is not aganist you, just your false doctrine. one scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
UNDERSTAND this verse .... PLEASE
then you will understand why the Lord Jesus said, "My God"
if you cannot understand, My means POSSESSION.
101G.
LISTEN, 101G is not aganist you, just your false doctrine. one scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
UNDERSTAND this verse .... PLEASE
then you will understand why the Lord Jesus said, "My God"
if you cannot understand, My means POSSESSION.
101G.
civic
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as you know statistics can be slanted to support almost anything. The record by Marciano is indisputable.You know, I once did a detailed analysis of heavyweight champions. The scope of the analysis was their championship record. So, while the "0" is impressive, once you look at the championship record Marciano drops to the middle of the pack with only 8 championship fights.
3 fighters had 3x as many championship fights. They rose to the top of my analysis.
The top 2 are Ali and Joe Louis. Along with Mike Tyson, who was also in the middle of the pack due to so few championship fights, their careers were interrupted for 4 years due to political factors. Louis, due to WWII. Ali due to the Vietnam War and refusing to be drafted. Tyson due to a bogus rape charge.
Thats like saying russel was better than Jordan because he had more championships. Not a single one of russels peers or jordans says russel was better.
Like I said the stats can be twisted.
Was Ali the greatest boxer ? yes but not the greatest heavy weight fighter. And btw Ali was and is my all-time personal favorite but I cannot let my bias get in the way of the truth or the facts.
FYI- I hold my theology to those same standards which is why I'm a trinitarian and not a unitarian or modalist.
hope this helps!!!
synergy
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So you refuse to talk about the Word of God verses in Rev 19:11-16 even though it is part of the subject matter which is the Trinity, defined by God the Father, the Son of God (Word of God), and the Holy Spirit. Got it. Arianism just crashed and burned.
101G
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@Wrangler.
LISTEN, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
MINE here is ME...... Understand. God's OWN ARM is him, God himself.
now if you want to KNOW the TRUTH.... we can discuss this MY, MINE, ME as the ONE TRUE, and LIVING GOD as Only ONE person in the ECHAD
101G.
LISTEN, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
MINE here is ME...... Understand. God's OWN ARM is him, God himself.
now if you want to KNOW the TRUTH.... we can discuss this MY, MINE, ME as the ONE TRUE, and LIVING GOD as Only ONE person in the ECHAD
101G.
Wrangler
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Because each time proves he is not God.
Wrangler
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Isaiah 63:5 is talking about YHWH, not Jesus.
101G
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synergy
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How so? One God means one nature, not one person. You're confusing person and nature.
John 1:1 declares the fact that the "Word was God", and still is. There's no getting around it.
Wrangler
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The 3 fighters with 3x more title fights than Marciano is also indisputable.
Larry Holmes is other in the top 3. However, his career was not impeded by political factors. We never saw Ali at his best. Both he and Louis would have added enormously to their title fight record given the pace of fights per year they took on leading up to it.
Another indisputable record is that Marciano fought at a weak period, with relatively weak opponents. Again, based on the indisputable record of their opponents.
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