Wrangler
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No. I'll be happy to talk about it in another thread. Your attempts to deflect to other Scripture is not a tactic that will work all the time. This is one of those times.
Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition
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civic
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By your standards lebron is better than Jordan rofl..............
and dorsett better than brown as a running back- oops
Wrangler
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Why do trinitarians always thing attributes of a Being is another Being? My own arm is not another Being.
Wrangler
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Honestly, I cannot comment on that since I have not looked into basketball. However, I only recently learned that LeBron broke the record for the most points in a career. This statistic has to be weighted heavily in the analysis of great basketball players.
Sad confession. I've never seen LeBron play a game. The highlights do not look anywhere nearly as spectacular as Jordan.
civic
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were you a football fan see my comparison with emmit and jim brown as running backs. brown only played 9 seasons and was the most dominant player in the nfl every years. he was unstoppable and every defense was focused on him.
ok we need a sports section lol.
synergy
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The title of this thread is "Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition", isn't it?
Well, Rev 19:11-16 are defining verses of the Word of God who is part of the Trinity.
Your refusal to talk about things relevant to your title will speak volumes. As always, you are free to disregard/trash whichever Bible verse offends your presuppositions.
101G
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did 101G say he was trinitarian? but "My own arm is not another Being." well let's see.
God is about to reveal his “OWN” Arm, let's take this one step at a time.. Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"
Isaiah 53:2 "For he (God’s Own ARM), shall grow up before him, (God), as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he, (God’s Own ARM), hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." Isaiah 53:3 "He (God’s Own ARM), is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he (God’s Own ARM) was despised, and we esteemed him (God’s Own ARM) not."
101G.
Wrangler
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LOL. Yea, that's why you folks quote John 1:1 like an addict.
GeneZ
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Absolutely yes!
In the Gospels that will be the case.
For Philippians 2:6-8 tells us that as being in essence God, he had to become as a man
in his function and expression as to qualify to die as a man in our place.
Who, being eternally in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Can you read that? ...............
Its after He ascended back to Heaven He was glorified and returned to being as God.
Then we find Him returning back to what He was before as God in function!
Constantly be on your guard that there will not be anyone
who will capture and enslave you
through human speculation - even empty deceit -
according to the pseudo-traditions of mankind {example: Judaism},
who will capture and enslave you
through human speculation - even empty deceit -
according to the pseudo-traditions of mankind {example: Judaism},
according to the basic teachings of the cosmos systems,
and not according to the teachings of Christ.
For in Him {Christ} dwelt all the Fullness of God/'Pleroma tu theo'
in bodily form (Humanity of Christ in the hypostatic union)
and in Him you have been made complete . . .
Who is the head of all principality and power." Col 2:8-10
and not according to the teachings of Christ.
For in Him {Christ} dwelt all the Fullness of God/'Pleroma tu theo'
in bodily form (Humanity of Christ in the hypostatic union)
and in Him you have been made complete . . .
Who is the head of all principality and power." Col 2:8-10
He came to earth making Himself to be as a man - To die as a man in our place.
To die as God's substitute (Lamb of God) who took away the sins of the world.
All you know about God the Father has been made knowable to you only through Christ! John 1:18
In Christ.... grace and peace!
GeneZ
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"You folks?"
Then who are your folks?
Please. Let us know.
Are you playing the Devil's advocate?
Or, are you for real?
And, I might add. "Careful how you judge."
For your words will be what condemn you without a defense when you tremble in the Lord's presence.
Wrangler
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Eisegesis driving a bad translation.
Many trinitarians cannot grasp the twisted NOT in the sentence. They take what he is NOT as something he is. Simply put, the verse does not say what you claim, that upon returning to heaven he returned to being what he never was. Let's look at another transaltion.
Philippians 2:6-8
The Voice
6 Though He was in the form of God,He chose not to cling to equality with God;
It is not that he was God or equal to God. Things are a form of something they are not, e.g., a piggy bank is in the form of a pig but is NOT.
Wrangler
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You folks who advocate for an anti-Scriptural, inherently contradictory doctrine of the trinity.
Wrangler
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A man is not God.
GeneZ
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I will not tell you to get lost.
Stay lost.
We have no time for you.
Maybe you can serve as a useful "tool" to get younger Christians to grow in knowledge they lack.
Other than that? You're nothing.
But God can create something out from nothing.
He does so when you are used to challenge younger believers to grow in knowledge they have yet to learn.
For that much? I thank you.
GeneZ
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And a religious person being led by a "counterfeit spirit" is not a Christian.
Not saved!
synergy
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I could quote multitudes more but Rev 19:11-16 will suffice.
I see no response from you specifically about this defining verse of the Word of God and that speaks volumes.. As always, you are free to disregard/trash whichever Bible verse offends your presuppositions. That's your call.
Wrangler
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LOL That's your response to realizing you've been duped by a bad translation?
It's so simple! Sons are not their father's and Jesus' father is the God YHWH - the only true God of the Bible. Jesus says so himself.
Wrangler
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No, you could not quote multitudes more.
I once asked a trinitarian if they realized not every use of the word "word" in Scripture referred to Jesus. They acknowledged that. Then I pointed out that John 1:1 is one of those times.
By definition, a word is a thing not a person.
All your said attempts to change definitions show how trinitarians must violate definitions to support their doctrine. Someone is called X, so that makes them X. Wow. Don't you realize a weak argument when you come across it? You cannot be a son and not be a created being. Definition.
No back door inferences will break the barrier of definition being a reason why the trinity is wrong.
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