Dizerner
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Also please prayerfully consider my other thread:
Why Calvinism is a bad thing.
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Also please prayerfully consider my other thread:
Ladodgers6
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Good to hear. Classical Calvinism teaches the Doctrines of Grace and Arminianism teaches a man-centered legalistic salvation which is a oxymoron.
Dizerner
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If God decrees there be libertarian free will, who are you O man, to declare it man-centered.
Ladodgers6
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LoL, really show me in Scripture? I want to see these exact words.
Dizerner
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I eagerly await your rebuttal:
civic
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Just the opposite.
civic
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Good luck my friend
PapaLandShark
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Because you and your ilk don't care when confronted with Scripture. This got old for me...gosh...how many years has it been, Civic?
But since you asked so nicely I'll give you 3 pages out of many dealing with "all"
And a bonus https://www.monergism.com/ where you can do a search on whatever your favorite "all" is.
Fixed. Enjoy.
Darby
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I don’t know much about the ism’s. But I do know what the Bible seems to teach. Does that work?
How do you say I’m brainwashed? That’s pretty rude of you.
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Darby
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Let us get through this first,
Darby
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Wow. There are some friendly people here.
Arial
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People who disagree with you are automatically brainwashed? Sounds like a brainwashing technique being used as a defense to me.
Darby
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Darby
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Yes
Arial
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How about you explain in what way it is the opposite. That would be a contribution instead of just a denial with nothing behind it.Just the opposite.
Arial
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The question then becomes does God decree libertarian free will? It ought to be answered.
civic
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Calvin got most of his beliefs from augustine who was into gnosticism, Greek philosophy among other man made ideologies .
civic
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Well since we stated this new forum some have not liked it and sent people here to disrupt our forum like we just witnessed with @Ladodgers6 . This is why the PM was disabled since we have nothing to hide and what can be said can be said publicly. If you disagree with me it’s my forum and that’s ok with me. I just ask we treat each other with respect . I have a moderator. I don’t like to moderate , I like to talk with all the members and discuss our differences and things we share in common .
The Arminian / Calvinist forum is always heated just like the Catholic forums are online . It’s the nature of those discussions. We are all adults and should act like adults . I don’t like to be the forum policeman
. That’s not me. I wouldn’t be on a forum to do that. And I don’t want a conflict of interest with posting and moderatoring. I’ve seen moderators who get emotional and ban people who disagree with them. So I stay away from doing that here.
Arial
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Just do your own research and study. You are perfectly able to think for yourself in spite of the fact that many try to do that for you. In that book I mentioned, Doctrines That Divide, it also covers the various debates on the same subject that came after Calvin and Arminius. The last big one being a man called Charles Finney.
Interestingly enough Finney began as a Presbyterian, a Reformed theology, and served as a pastor in that church. It was there, from within, that he began to dismantle the Reformed/Calvinist theology and replace it with salvation coming by free will choice rather than a supernatural rebirthing in Christ by God. Because of his efforts in the late 1800's Calvinism was declared dead. It began to revive in a big way in the early 2000's.
The efforts and methods of Finney were so successful that I believe what we are seeing today is a recap to try and kill it again. We have a people who walk awhile as Calvinist, teach as Calvinists, then have an about face with their supposed credentials behind them. That of course is only my speculation.
But the effort to destroy it again is definite and obvious and one does have to wonder why is it so important to kill it that untruths about it are propagated in order to do so.
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