Why are Calvinists so mean ?

[TomL]

yes knowing something will happen is much different than determining something will happen.

I might know if son is getting married next 4th of July but I did not determine he would get married that day. There are 1000's of such examples that prove knowing a future event is not determining that event.

conflating it all they have since foreknowledge and omniscience are not determinism.

As noted elsewhere, Calvinists cannot seem to get their heads around that.

 

[civic]

As noted elsewhere, Calvinists cannot seem to get their heads around that.

I started a new thread specifically on this topic

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/determinism-in-calvinism-and-the-reformed-confessions.1838/

 

[TomL]

I started a new thread specifically on this topic

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/determinism-in-calvinism-and-the-reformed-confessions.1838/

ok

 

[Presby02]

You asked why do I pray.

Did you forget?

Non existence is not an issue here

And you did not answer. The future is settled remember? Determine a long time ago. So what is it you would have God to do? Change the future?

 

[Presby02]

Oh but I could have and then the foreknowledge would have been otherwise than what it was

to man's salvation - yes

that God had no choice but to send his son to the cross - no

Ahhh.....there ya go folks. God's foreknowledge is dependent on the foreseen choices of His creation. A clear violation of God's aseity.

Then it was not absolutely necessary.

 

[TomL]

Ahhh.....there ya go folks. God's foreknowledge is dependent on the foreseen choices of His creation. A clear violation of God's aseity.

Then it was not absolutely necessary.

Absolute it is knowledge not determination

You just cannot seem to grasp the difference

BTW aseity refers to that which is necessary for his existence.

It does not depend on what man does or does not do.

You misuse the term

 

[civic]

Absolute it is knowledge not determination

You just cannot seem to grasp the difference

BTW aseity refers to that which is necessary for his existence.

It does not depend on what man does or does not do.

You misuse the term

Yes the continuation of the equivocating and conflating the words

 

[TomL]

And you did not answer. The future is settled remember? Determine a long time ago. So what is it you would have God to do? Change the future?

Sorry but I did answer.

It appears you just did not understand what it means for god to be relational

 

[TomL]

Yes the continuation of the equivocating and conflating the words

Misdefining the term is prevalent in Calvinism

 

[Presby02]

Sorry but I did answer.

It appears you just did not understand what it means for god to be relational

Sorry but I did answer.

It appears you just did not understand what it means for god to be relational

It appears you do not understand. All this is foreknown for certain. You could not choose not to believe. Your actually the fatalist.

 

[TomL]

It appears you do not understand. All this is foreknown for certain. You could not choose not to believe. Your actually the fatalist.

Certain yes but not necessary.

In other words you could have chosen differently, and the foreknowledge would have been different

 

[Presby02]

Certain yes but not necessary.

In other words you could have chosen differently, and the foreknowledge would have been different

SO God's foreknowledge is dependent on my choices. A clear aseity violation. Classic example

 

[TomL]

SO God's foreknowledge is dependent on my choices. A clear aseity violation. Classic example

sorry once again you mis-define the term.

God's self existence is not challenged by what man does or does not do.

 

[civic]

sorry once again you mis-define the term.

God's self existence is not challenged by what man does or does not do.

Correct it’s a strawman

 

[TomL]

Correct it’s a strawman

Calvinists mis-define the term

 

[Biblelesson]

He looks frightened not mean

Looks can be deceiving don't let your arm get too close to.

 

[TomL]

Looks can be deceiving don't let your arm get too close to.

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[Anja]

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We already knew you were a dinosaur Tom.

 

[Presby02]

sorry once again you mis-define the term.

God's self existence is not challenged by what man does or does not do.

It is if His foreknowledge is dependent on your choices

 

[civic]

It is if His foreknowledge is dependent on your choices

Now your getting it