Why are Calvinists so mean ?

[TomL]

Yes BaalGate

Yep that's it

 

[Presby02]

But you don't

so keep trying and maybe one day you will get half a win

Good one.

 

[Presby02]

I did a thread once asking do Calvinists really have a motivation to pray. If everything is ordained whether or know then why pray?

I could ask the same question to you? If God is omniscient and the future is set why do you bother to pray? To change God's omniscience?

 

[TomL]

Good one.

Thanks

 

[TomL]

I could ask the same question to you? If God is omniscient and the future is set why do you bother to pray? To change God's omniscience?

Seems you are conflating foreknowledge and determination

 

[Presby02]

Seems you are conflating foreknowledge and determination

Seems you don't know what your talking about and failed to address my point.

Is the future set? Yup. So why do you pray Tom?

 

[TomL]

Seems you don't know what your talking about and failed to address my point.

Is the future set? Yup. So why do you pray Tom?

Sorry you are begging the question

God's knowing of a future choice does not determine that choice

 

[civic]

Seems you are conflating foreknowledge and determination

What else is new lol

 

[civic]

Sorry you are begging the question

God's knowing of a future choice does not determine that choice

Ditto

 

[TomL]

Ditto

Calvinist just can't seem to wrap their heads around that.

 

[Believe]

I did a thread once asking do Calvinists really have a motivation to pray. If everything is ordained whether or know then why pray?

I understand what you're saying that it makes me think of that old saying about atheist in foxholes during a battle. They start believing in God real quick and probably start praying.

 

[Presby02]

Sorry you are begging the question

God's knowing of a future choice does not determine that choice

I have never claimed it did.

If a choice is foreknown for certain then it cannot be otherwise.

 

[TomL]

I have never claimed it did.

If a choice is foreknown for certain then it cannot be otherwise.

certain but not necessary

The reality is the reflection of the choice not the other way around

 

[TomL]

Seems you don't know what your talking about and failed to address my point.

Is the future set? Yup. So why do you pray Tom?

Because God is relational and responds to men

 

[civic]

certain but not necessary

The reality is the reflection of the choice not the other way around

yes knowing something will happen is much different than determining something will happen.

I might know if son is getting married next 4th of July but I did not determine he would get married that day. There are 1000's of such examples that prove knowing a future event is not determining that event.

conflating it all they have since foreknowledge and omniscience are not determinism.

 

[Presby02]

certain but not necessary

The reality is the reflection of the choice not the other way around

None the less, you cannot choose differently.

Was the cross necessary?

 

[Presby02]

yes knowing something will happen is much different than determining something will happen.

I might know if son is getting married next 4th of July but I did not determine he would get married that day. There are 1000's of such examples that prove knowing a future event is not determining that event.

conflating it all they have since foreknowledge and omniscience are not determinism.

No, he did. LOL

So we're God's creative purposes dependent on His foreknowledge?

 

[Presby02]

Because God is relational and responds to men

Responds to men who do not exist yet? Referring to His foreknowledge.

 

[TomL]

Responds to men who do not exist yet? Referring to His foreknowledge.

You asked why do I pray.

Did you forget?

Non existence is not an issue here

 

[TomL]

None the less, you cannot choose differently.

Was the cross necessary?

Oh but I could have and then the foreknowledge would have been otherwise than what it was

to man's salvation - yes

that God had no choice but to send his son to the cross - no