Who is Jesus?

[101G]

Jesus and the Thief on the Cross went to Paradise which is also known as the Bosom of Abraham. That's the portion of Hades (Gr: αδου) that all believers went to after death.

don't mean to interrupt your conversation. if true, that day, and two more afterward the Lord Jesus was in hell preaching to those there. so that day he did go to paradise. so he, (the Lord Jesus), nor the Thief on the Cross went to Paradise that day.

101G.

 

[101G]

You think we're going to discard the truth of John 1:1 with that weak argument? Don't count on it.

no it's not weak but the truth. for he that is in John 1:1 is the same ONE PERSON, (GOD), who made all things.... per John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24. is that weak? .... (smile). if you think so answer the scriptures, is the person AT JOHN 1:1 THE SAME ONE PERSON AT ISAIAH 44:24, "WHO MADE ALL THINGS." yes or no. that will answer the question. read both scriptures and get back with 101G.

101G.

 

[dwight92070]

Jesus and the Thief on the Cross went to Paradise which is also known as the Bosom of Abraham. That's the portion of Hades (Gr: αδου) that all believers went to after death.

You could be right about that, but I don't think He and the thief stayed there long. When Jesus raised Himself up on the 3rd day, and forty days later He ascended into heaven, I believe He took all those in Abraham's bosom or Paradise up into heaven with Him. The scripture says "He led captive a host of captives." which I believe refers to Him "freeing" all those in Abraham's bosom and taking them to heaven - of course they were not suffering anyway in Paradise. You also said in #36 that Christ descended into the very heart of Hades (the Prison). If by that you mean that He went into the other half of Hades where the unrighteous were kept, I don't see any scripture to back that up. As Peter said and John Piper explains, it appears that Christ warned the unrighteous of Noah's day through the Holy Spirit in Noah. Obviously they didn't listen, so they are now in prison in the other half of Hades, the place of the wicked dead. I think they are still there, and will be until the 2nd Coming, and then they will be thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[dwight92070]

don't mean to interrupt your conversation. if true, that day, and two more afterward the Lord Jesus was in hell preaching to those there. so that day he did go to paradise. so he, (the Lord Jesus), nor the Thief on the Cross went to Paradise that day.

101G.

No they both went to Paradise. I don't believe Jesus did any preaching there at that time. The preaching mentioned in 1 Peter is Christ speaking through Noah, by the Holy Spirit, preaching to those in his day before the flood - since they didn't listen, Peter said they are now in prison in the unrighteous half of Hades.

 

[101G]

The preaching mentioned in 1 Peter is Christ speaking through Noah, by the Holy Spirit, preaching to those in his day before the flood

ERROR, Christ did not descend, for Christ is flesh, and that flesh was in the tomb for those three days. now care to answer who was at John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 "WHO MADE ALL THINGS?" SAME ONE PERSON? yes or no please.

101G.

 

[101G]

@dwight92070,
getting pass my bedtime, if you like, we can continue this conversation tomorrow after church.

be blessed.

101G.

 

[Keiw1]

Listen carefully, Deuteronomy 32:21 "They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation."

now, Deuteronomy 32:39 "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."

so all that "god" at John 1:1c is over with.

101G

It says gods--and its referring to false gods. One called god in NT = has godlike qualities it is not calling that one a God.
If the word were God then in plain English the second line reads--And God( word) was with God--How many Gods is that? Tell us how can God be with God since the bible teaches there is 1 God?

 

[101G]

And God( word) was with God--How many Gods is that? Tell us how can God be with God since the bible teaches there is 1 God?

sure in the ECHAD of ordinal First and Ordinal Last. listen and learn. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." see that I, I, I, a single person is "WITH" the Last. is this two persons? let the bible .... God himself tell us. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." I, I, I, a single person who is First/Father/Creator/LORD, and is "ALSO" the Last/Son/Redeemer/ Lord.

please note "ALSO" means in addition; too. got that? it's the same one person in the ECHAD of First and Last, listen, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW? the Word who is "WITH" God is "GOD"..... the same one person as here. Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:11 "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea." Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;" Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

see, 101G did not have to tell you, God did in his word. please learn what THE 259 ECHAD means.

101G.

 

[dwight92070]

101G said

Did Christ ever descend to hell?

There are two passages in the New Testament that, taken a certain way, would seem to indicate that he did. One is in Ephesians 4:9 where it says that Christ descended into the lower parts of the earth. This probably means that he descended to the earth, which is the lower parts. The "of" there doesn't mean that he is going under the earth. So I don't think that text warrants the interpretation that he descended into hell.

The other text is 1 Peter 3:18-20 where it says that Christ went to speak to the spirits who are now in bondage. That is, they have died—having lived in the days of Noah—and they are now in bondage; and Christ went to speak to them. Some take that to mean that between Good Friday and Easter Christ went to hell and he preached the gospel there. But I don't think that is the meaning of this text either. I think it means that when these people were alive in the days of Noah, in the Spirit Christ spoke to them through the preaching of Noah; and now they are in prison.

So my conclusion is that there is no textual basis for believing that Christ descended into hell. In fact, he said to the thief on the cross, "Today you will be with me in paradise." That's the only clue we have as to what Jesus was doing between death and resurrection. He said, "Today—this Friday afternoon, after we're both dead—you and I will be in paradise together." I don't think the thief went to hell and that hell is called paradise. I think he went to heaven and that Jesus was there with him.

So I don't say that phrase "he descended into hell" when I recite the Apostle's Creed. But study it yourself and see whether you think there are other foundations for it. As for me, though, I would say that the foundation for that particular sentence in the Apostle's Creed is pretty weak biblically.
John Piper (@JohnPiper) is founder and teacher of desiringGod.org and chancellor of Bethlehem College & Seminary. For 33 years, he served as pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, Minnesota. He is author of more than 50 books, including Desiring God: Meditations of a Christian Hedonist and most recently Foundations for Lifelong Learning: Education in Serious Joy.

 

[dwight92070]

1. Jesus had two natures, a human nature and a divine nature. He was man and He was God. His mother was human but His Father was God. He was born of the Holy Spirit and the Father and Mary. Mat.1:18,20; Luke 1:35. Physically He had a beginning in Bethlehem. His spirit, however, was and is eternal. His spirit had no beginning and no end. Peter said that by His promises, we may partake of the divine nature. However, we were not born supernaturally as He was. 2 Peter 1:4
2. Jesus existed physically because the Father and the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary. His spirit, however, was and is eternal. Prior to His birth, John said He was called the Word. John 1:1,30; John 17:5
3. Jesus died physically only because He willingly took all the sins of mankind on Himself, and the wages of sin is death. Had He not done that, He never would have died. But His spirit never died. His spirit was and is eternal. Luke 23:46
4. As a human baby and child, He grew in wisdom. But in His spirit dwelt all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge, and that is still true. Colossians 2:3 Peter knew this - John 21:17
5. As a human Jesus' physical strength was limited. But His spirit, being eternal, could do all things, and He still can.
By the way, it appears you changed the words "of Himself" to "by Himself" in John 5:19, which clearly changes the meaning, favoring your interpretation. Most versions, if not all, say "of Himself". Not only that, but you didn't quote the complete verse, so I will do that for you.
"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing OF Himself, UNLESS it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner." And we know He ALWAYS saw what the Father was doing.
6. Physically, Jesus could only be in one place at a time. But His spirit, being God, was and is everywhere. John 1:48; John 11:14; Luke 10:18

Jesus, "Although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. ..." Philippians 2:6-8

Temporarily, Jesus voluntarily "emptied Himself" of some of His privileges as God, but He never emptied Himself from being God.
Which privileges did He "empty Himself" of? We're not told, but just by listening to Him and observing what He did, we do get some clues as to what He held on to and what He didn't.
For example, His over-the -top miracles. Changing about 180 gallons of water into wine. No godly man, no prophet, no worker of miracles, has ever come close to such a miracle. How about walking on water? At the command of Jesus, Peter did that for just a few seconds! Again, nobody can even touch that. How about feeding over 15,000 people (5,000 men and women and children) with a few loaves and a few fish? Never before that and never since that, has anyone even approached such a mighty miracle.
So He definitely did not give up His power over natural laws - at least not ALL of it, or His power to create things out of nothing

 

[e v e]

Jesus is the son of IEUE
who came to this earth through the same path as we,
but willingly taking that step down...
and passing through what is Daniel's oven
which is the torture of us after the fall
when Adam turned us over to the Demon nations
(in the other reality.)

Jesus took a huge step down,
incarnating in this underworld dungeon
(where we are imprisoned since then
on this earth not made by God)
and he making it Possible At All
for us to escape from here,
and meet Christ on the clouds soon,
and be restored to our eden paradise, soon,
which all the sons will rebuild with Christ...

 

[e v e]

To die to this world and this
dungeon, and all its needs and wants
is what God asks.

 

[e v e]

The Nature of Paradise, we lost...
which is His Nature..
and now we are in the Animal flesh nature
of the evil realm entities..

our Original Human nature is not this flesh nature..
and is not a synonym for how people talk about 'human' -
which here on this earth not made by God
means an ape body

 

[e v e]

to all,
as stated, "The Bible is sufficient." 101G agree. but many say the Father is not the Son ...... IN PERSON(S). well 101G put forth a remedy by the bible scriptures to answer that question without any doubt.

Question, "is it the one whom many say is the Father who sits on the throne in Revelation chapter 4 and 5. 101G say no. but the "Lord" Jesus who sits on the throne. as well as in chapter 5. and it is the "LORD" Jesus who Stand before the very throne he sits on.

101G challenge anyone who says different. so, if you disagree with what 101G has said, please state who you believe sits on the throne, and who stands before the throne.

will be looking for your answer.

101G.

no it is not sufficient since Esau has corrupted it... every single written down version, from septuagint to kjv...
corruption.

 

[e v e]

I have a lot of questions about Jesus and the bible answers them all. Who do you say he is?

The son of God

Who is the seed (offspring) of the woman who crushes the head of Satan?

the 144k Sons of God who before being restored to Him in Eden, die to this world (=body and earth not made by God and all its needs and wants.)

Who is the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that will eventually bless all nations?

Nations is a corruption and almost every time means "demon nations". This but one of esau's treacherous corruptions.
These next items are corrupt translations. Please review.
Esau's corrupt scroll actual here refers to Adam, who with esau has corrupted the scroll.

Who is the “Anointed One”

The sealed to and anointed by God are the 144k sons and daughters being restored to Eden paradise.
The ones having the satanic mark are anointed by evil. Not clear who you mean.....

to be “cut off” after 483 years?

corruption.

Who is the one who is eternal, who will be the ruler over Israel, who is born in Bethlehem Ephrathah?

Corruption. This refers to adam, who did not die. If you mean this earth israel as country, its ruler would be demon nations who created it, since this earth 'israel' as nation is not God's concept. Jehovah as a term is a corruption (jove) ... referring to zeus=adam etc.

Who is Jehovah, “the one they have pierced,” for whom Jerusalem and all the nation of Israel will weep and mourn?

Ishral is not a nation 'on this earth', but his sons and daughters to be restored when His souls meet Christ on the clouds.
esau's Tammuz evil realm ritual: the weeping and mourning is not how God speaks. It is 100% demon nations context.
Israel on this earth is not His context.

No one can deny that the Bible itself claims to be the unique revelation of God: “All Scripture is inspired by God

As you refer it, not I, scripture is the corrupt scroll, Daniels SEALED VISION. Not good. So no.. it is not a revelation from God. It is the corrupt scroll.

and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work”2 Timothy 3:16-17

Which is why Christianity is a mess.

 

[e v e]

It says gods--and its referring to false gods. One called god in NT = has godlike qualities it is not calling that one a God.
If the word were God then in plain English the second line reads--And God( word) was with God--How many Gods is that? Tell us how can God be with God since the bible teaches there is 1 God?

God's (IEUE's) Word is His feminine Spirit, who
when Jesus, His son was on this earth, was also with Him..
therefore, the concept of Jesus as Word refers to God's Spirit..

 

[brightfame52]

The True Jesus is the One who shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[Olde Tymer]

I don't much care for impressionistic pictures of Jesus, but were I to select one
for my man cave it would be this. The look in his eyes is devastating.
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[e v e]

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[Peterlag]

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I don't much care for impressionistic pictures of Jesus, but were I to select one
for my man cave it would be this. The look in his eyes is devastating.
_

And Peter answered that question with you are the Christ, (Messiah) the son of God. Peter did not say you are God.