Who is Jesus?

e v e said:
@Keiw1
we are not one in purpose with God because we live in the the law of sin and death (= this earth and body) but soon this earth will be destroyed...

thank you God that the sun will go dark.
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A true follower learns and apply's every utterance from God, they never stop learning and applying. They live now in this satan ruled system to do Jesus Fathers will( Matt 7:21) to the absolute best of their abilities. To become one in purpose.
 
And the 144k are His sons and daughters
not creatures.. that is esaus invented fish context
tied to RCC

.. the sons in are His image
and the daughters in image of His spirit
 
Keiw1 said:
Paradise= the new Earth--Prov 2:21-22 assures the great crowd are not leaving the Earth.
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well certainly esau and his false 144 dont
want jacob to escape their dungeon
(made by them for jacob)

thats what i get from what you are saying.


yes there is an anti-144

gross no?

anyway these are esau serpent souls
so no let's not dwell on them...
so evil
 
Keiw1 said:
A true follower learns and apply's every utterance from God, they never stop learning and applying. They live now in this satan ruled system to do Jesus Fathers will( Matt 7:21) to the absolute best of their abilities. To become one in purpose.
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this system was created by satan =
this earth
and body.

satan = adam who is the adopted
father of esau - serpent souls
 
all of jacob
who want Christ
will be freed and return to eden paradise
after trib and their death here

they will meet the 144k and
be with God in eden paradise
in the other reality
 
mikesw said:
Obviously you are listening the wrong people and that leads you away from recognizing Christ Jesus. How did you even come to deny the deity of Christ in all that opposition to scripture?
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I was never Catholic and so I never learned the Catholic doctrine.
Johann said:
@mikesw is mentioning the Deity of Jesus, no mention of "Trinity"
I. GOD.
GOD. Gr. Theos . The Greek language, being of human origin, utterly fails (and naturally so) to exhibit the wonderful precision of the Hebrew, inasmuch as the language necessarily reflects, and cannot go beyond the knowledge, or rather the lack of knowledge, of the Divine Being apart from revelation.

i. Theos corresponds, generally, with ’Elohim of the O.T., denoting the Creator (see Ap. 4. I); but it corresponds also with El (Ap. 4. IV), and Eloah (Ap. 4. V). Sometimes it corresponds with Jehovah (who is ’Elohim in Covenant relation), in which case it is printed GOD, as in the Old Testament (both A.V. and R.V.).
1. Theos is used in the N.T. of the Father, as the revealed God (see Joh_1:1. Act_17:24, &c.)
2. It is used of the Son (Mat_1:23. Joh_1:1; Joh_20:28, &c. Rom_9:5. 2Pe_1:1. 1Jn_5:20). Cp. Col_2:9 and 2Pe_1:3; 2Pe_1:4.
3. It is used of the Holy Spirit (Act_5:3-4, compared with v . 4).
4. It is used generically, as in Joh_10:34. Act_12:22. 2Co_4:4. Php_3:19, &c.
5. It is used of false gods, as in Act_7:43, &c.; and is printed "god" as in the O.T.
ii. Cognate with Theos , there are three other words to be noted :
1. Theotes , rendered "Deity", and used of Christ. Occurs only in Col_2:9, and has relation to the Godhead personally ; while
2. Theiotes , rendered "Deity" also, is Deity in the abstract . Occurs only in Rom_1:20.
3. Theios , rendered "Divine", and is used of Christ. Occurs only in 2Pe_1:3; 2Pe_1:4; and, with the Article, in Act_17:29, where it is rendered "Godhead". Gr. = that which [is] Divine.
Bullinger.

However, I've observed that no one seems willing to acknowledge when they are wrong, and I don’t claim to be right all the time; yet, no one is open to accepting correction-it's become a free-for-all.

J.
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However, I've observed that no one seems willing to acknowledge when they are wrong, and I don’t claim to be right all the time; yet, no one is open to accepting correction-it's become a free-for-all.

I know Jesus is not God and there's no trinity and yet I too have never been able to change one from that thinking. Not even one. They have dug their heels in deep like if their lives depended on it.
 
Peterlag said:
I was never Catholic and so I never learned the Catholic doctrine.

However, I've observed that no one seems willing to acknowledge when they are wrong, and I don’t claim to be right all the time; yet, no one is open to accepting correction-it's become a free-for-all.

I know Jesus is not God and there's no trinity and yet I too have never been able to change one from that thinking. Not even one. They have dug their heels in deep like if their lives depended on it.
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you are one of those "no one" participants about not saying when you are wrong. There has been so many opportunities for you to do that.

I have thought some about the points you are trying to make. I also tend to find details that other people miss when reading the scriptures. At the same time, I find confirmation of points from other people's texts that are like landmarks showing me I'm on a good trail.
 
TibiasDad said:
Jehovah is the one speaking, and said “They will look on me, the one they have pierced”. He speaks in the first person, thus, since Jesus is the one who was pierced, it is Jesus who refers to himself.

Then the speaker goes to third person saying, “and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son”, which indicates that the Father is now speaking.

Note also that the statements above are a singular statement, which show a plurality within a singular whole. The dual perspectives and speakers in a singular sentence mirrors the idea of multiple persons within a singular being. Two members of the Trinity speaking a singular sentence. A unified plurality!


Doug
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Amen it is YHWH declaring they will look on ME ( YHWH) whom they have pierced.
 
mikesw said:
you are one of those "no one" participants about not saying when you are wrong. There has been so many opportunities for you to do that.

I have thought some about the points you are trying to make. I also tend to find details that other people miss when reading the scriptures. At the same time, I find confirmation of points from other people's texts that are like landmarks showing me I'm on a good trail.
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I have never been wrong concerning the trinity.
 
e v e said:
well certainly esau and his false 144 dont
want jacob to escape their dungeon
(made by them for jacob)

thats what i get from what you are saying.


yes there is an anti-144

gross no?

anyway these are esau serpent souls
so no let's not dwell on them...
so evil
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So sad you believe a bunch of twisted untruth.
 
e v e said:
this system was created by satan =
this earth
and body.

satan = adam who is the adopted
father of esau - serpent souls
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Satan is the ruler of this world=the god of this system of things. He owns 0 of creation, God created all creation, God owns every iota of it. When Jesus comes here( Rev 19:11) satan will be abyssed for 1000 years. loosed for a little while at the end of that, then destroyed. Gods kingdom rule will be over all creation forever then-Rev 21:1--All things back to perfection.
 
Keiw1 said:
Satan is the ruler of this world=the god of this system of things. He owns 0 of creation, God created all creation, God owns every iota of it. When Jesus comes here( Rev 19:11) satan will be abyssed for 1000 years. loosed for a little while at the end of that, then destroyed. Gods kingdom rule will be over all creation forever then-Rev 21:1--All things back to perfection.
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Mostly nice but for that you mix the land of Eden, in the other reality,
with the foreign current actual land, which was not made by God,
and this body not made by God.... where we are
currently imprisoned.
 
e v e said:
Mostly nice but for that you mix the land of Eden, in the other reality,
with the foreign current actual land, which was not made by God,
and this body not made by God.... where we are
currently imprisoned.
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Not wise to call God a liar
 
p.lag: "Never been wrong about [ denying ] The Holy Trinity"?
mikesw said:
At some point in time you should reevaluate that claim.
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No time like The Present [ "Day Of Salvation" ] since tomorrow is "promised to no man", and will "be Too Late", eh? .............................. (2 Corinthians 5:20-6:2 AV)

Why The Triune GodHead Is Correct!

Probably for p.fri Too, to come up with At Least 20,000 Bible verses in order to Deny [ with 40 to 1 ]
The Above ~500 Plain And Clear Passages, eh?

Still praying for them and some others! Amen.
 
Pancho Frijoles said:
Hi, Eve!

Why do you think that this body was not made by God?
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Hi Pancho

compare the attributes of eden and man before the fall and then, after.. as qualities and differences of nature before and after. His nature (as creation) was flawless and perfect and gentle... He declared it all Good... this one is not, is it....

we left paradise ... we are not there now...

for me to be in eden paradise would be 'being saved.' not before then.
 
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