Who is Jesus?

[Peterlag]

Obviously you are listening the wrong people and that leads you away from recognizing Christ Jesus. How did you even come to deny the deity of Christ in all that opposition to scripture?

I was never Catholic and so I never learned the Catholic doctrine.

@mikesw is mentioning the Deity of Jesus, no mention of "Trinity"
I. GOD.
GOD. Gr. Theos . The Greek language, being of human origin, utterly fails (and naturally so) to exhibit the wonderful precision of the Hebrew, inasmuch as the language necessarily reflects, and cannot go beyond the knowledge, or rather the lack of knowledge, of the Divine Being apart from revelation.

i. Theos corresponds, generally, with ’Elohim of the O.T., denoting the Creator (see Ap. 4. I); but it corresponds also with El (Ap. 4. IV), and Eloah (Ap. 4. V). Sometimes it corresponds with Jehovah (who is ’Elohim in Covenant relation), in which case it is printed GOD, as in the Old Testament (both A.V. and R.V.).
1. Theos is used in the N.T. of the Father, as the revealed God (see Joh_1:1. Act_17:24, &c.)
2. It is used of the Son (Mat_1:23. Joh_1:1; Joh_20:28, &c. Rom_9:5. 2Pe_1:1. 1Jn_5:20). Cp. Col_2:9 and 2Pe_1:3; 2Pe_1:4.
3. It is used of the Holy Spirit (Act_5:3-4, compared with v . 4).
4. It is used generically, as in Joh_10:34. Act_12:22. 2Co_4:4. Php_3:19, &c.
5. It is used of false gods, as in Act_7:43, &c.; and is printed "god" as in the O.T.
ii. Cognate with Theos , there are three other words to be noted :
1. Theotes , rendered "Deity", and used of Christ. Occurs only in Col_2:9, and has relation to the Godhead personally ; while
2. Theiotes , rendered "Deity" also, is Deity in the abstract . Occurs only in Rom_1:20.
3. Theios , rendered "Divine", and is used of Christ. Occurs only in 2Pe_1:3; 2Pe_1:4; and, with the Article, in Act_17:29, where it is rendered "Godhead". Gr. = that which [is] Divine.
Bullinger.

However, I've observed that no one seems willing to acknowledge when they are wrong, and I don’t claim to be right all the time; yet, no one is open to accepting correction-it's become a free-for-all.

J.

However, I've observed that no one seems willing to acknowledge when they are wrong, and I don’t claim to be right all the time; yet, no one is open to accepting correction-it's become a free-for-all.

I know Jesus is not God and there's no trinity and yet I too have never been able to change one from that thinking. Not even one. They have dug their heels in deep like if their lives depended on it.

 

[mikesw]

I was never Catholic and so I never learned the Catholic doctrine.

However, I've observed that no one seems willing to acknowledge when they are wrong, and I don’t claim to be right all the time; yet, no one is open to accepting correction-it's become a free-for-all.

I know Jesus is not God and there's no trinity and yet I too have never been able to change one from that thinking. Not even one. They have dug their heels in deep like if their lives depended on it.

you are one of those "no one" participants about not saying when you are wrong. There has been so many opportunities for you to do that.

I have thought some about the points you are trying to make. I also tend to find details that other people miss when reading the scriptures. At the same time, I find confirmation of points from other people's texts that are like landmarks showing me I'm on a good trail.

 

[civic]

Jehovah is the one speaking, and said “They will look on me, the one they have pierced”. He speaks in the first person, thus, since Jesus is the one who was pierced, it is Jesus who refers to himself.

Then the speaker goes to third person saying, “and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son”, which indicates that the Father is now speaking.

Note also that the statements above are a singular statement, which show a plurality within a singular whole. The dual perspectives and speakers in a singular sentence mirrors the idea of multiple persons within a singular being. Two members of the Trinity speaking a singular sentence. A unified plurality!


Doug

Amen it is YHWH declaring they will look on ME ( YHWH) whom they have pierced.

 

[101G]

Amen it is YHWH declaring they will look on ME ( YHWH) whom they have pierced.

101G thought you didn't believe that the Lord Jesus is not the LORD/Father?

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

you are one of those "no one" participants about not saying when you are wrong. There has been so many opportunities for you to do that.

I have thought some about the points you are trying to make. I also tend to find details that other people miss when reading the scriptures. At the same time, I find confirmation of points from other people's texts that are like landmarks showing me I'm on a good trail.

I have never been wrong concerning the trinity.

 

[mikesw]

I have never been wrong concerning the trinity.

At some point in time you should reevaluate that claim.

 

[Keiw1]

well certainly esau and his false 144 dont
want jacob to escape their dungeon
(made by them for jacob)

thats what i get from what you are saying.


yes there is an anti-144

gross no?

anyway these are esau serpent souls
so no let's not dwell on them...
so evil

So sad you believe a bunch of twisted untruth.

 

[Keiw1]

this system was created by satan =
this earth
and body.

satan = adam who is the adopted
father of esau - serpent souls

Satan is the ruler of this world=the god of this system of things. He owns 0 of creation, God created all creation, God owns every iota of it. When Jesus comes here( Rev 19:11) satan will be abyssed for 1000 years. loosed for a little while at the end of that, then destroyed. Gods kingdom rule will be over all creation forever then-Rev 21:1--All things back to perfection.

 

[e v e]

Satan is the ruler of this world=the god of this system of things. He owns 0 of creation, God created all creation, God owns every iota of it. When Jesus comes here( Rev 19:11) satan will be abyssed for 1000 years. loosed for a little while at the end of that, then destroyed. Gods kingdom rule will be over all creation forever then-Rev 21:1--All things back to perfection.

Mostly nice but for that you mix the land of Eden, in the other reality,
with the foreign current actual land, which was not made by God,
and this body not made by God.... where we are
currently imprisoned.

 

[Keiw1]

Mostly nice but for that you mix the land of Eden, in the other reality,
with the foreign current actual land, which was not made by God,
and this body not made by God.... where we are
currently imprisoned.

Not wise to call God a liar

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Mostly nice but for that you mix the land of Eden, in the other reality,
with the foreign current actual land, which was not made by God,
and this body not made by God.... where we are
currently imprisoned.

Hi, Eve!

Why do you think that this body was not made by God?

 

[Whosoever]

The Bible says Jesus is God’s Son, the Son of God, equal with God, and fully God. Jesus is a member of what we call the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is infinite and eternal.

 

[Grace ambassador]

p.lag: "Never been wrong about [ denying ] The Holy Trinity"?

At some point in time you should reevaluate that claim.

No time like The Present [ "Day Of Salvation" ] since tomorrow is "promised to no man", and will "be Too Late", eh? .............................. (2 Corinthians 5:20-6:2 AV)

Why The Triune GodHead Is Correct!

Probably for p.fri Too, to come up with At Least 20,000 Bible verses in order to Deny [ with 40 to 1 ]
The Above ~500 Plain And Clear Passages, eh?

Still praying for them and some others! Amen.

 

[e v e]

Hi, Eve!

Why do you think that this body was not made by God?

Hi Pancho

compare the attributes of eden and man before the fall and then, after.. as qualities and differences of nature before and after. His nature (as creation) was flawless and perfect and gentle... He declared it all Good... this one is not, is it....

we left paradise ... we are not there now...

for me to be in eden paradise would be 'being saved.' not before then.

 

[e v e]

Hi, Eve!

Why do you think that this body was not made by God?

Also, it's not logical He to destroy what He made... yet He many times says He will destroy this earth ..

Sin is always read as a mental system but it's a cosmological situation, caused by the evil realm...

 

[e v e]

this world is a cosmological place not merely a system of the flesh mind. nature here is ugly and brutal.

 

[e v e]

Not wise to call God a liar

i was being kind and agreed to the part you inferred where satan is destroyed and everything of God's (eden) is restored in the other reality.

 

[Keiw1]

i was being kind and agreed to the part you inferred where satan is destroyed and everything of God's (eden) is restored in the other reality.

This earth will remain forever, transformed into a paradise over Jesus' 1000 year reign with no satan influences, but then he gets loosed for a little while totest the resurrected ones faith. Once he is destroyed-Gods kingdom rule over all creation, all back to perfection.=the new heaven and new earth.

 

[e v e]

This earth will remain forever, transformed into a paradise over Jesus' 1000 year reign with no satan influences, but then he gets loosed for a little while totest the resurrected ones faith. Once he is destroyed-Gods kingdom rule over all creation, all back to perfection.=the new heaven and new earth.

who cares if this evil earth dungeon lasts... it will only be fit for rats and moles and the evil satanic realm that made it.

God's new earth is eden paradise in the other reality .. He will restore her very soon.

 

[Keiw1]

who cares if this evil earth dungeon lasts... it will only be fit for rats and moles and the evil satanic realm that made it.

God's new earth is eden paradise in the other reality .. He will restore her very soon.

There is no other reality-This Earth will remain forever. Get away from who ever is teaching you that non biblical junk you believe.