Who is Jesus?
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101G
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well let's see.
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
the Root of G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') is G313. now let's see what G313 is,
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
portion? yes, and another word for "Portion", as a noun, used in A part of a whole, as here. is "SHARE".
now Pete, do God the Spirit has flesh bone and blood as a equal SHARE? no, but as Spirit yes. so the "FORM" here of Christ Jesus is INNER... Hello, you're reproved. see by scriptures, and understanding terms by the power of the Holy Spirit lead, one can by common sense reveal the scripture meaning.
so now you can try again or accept that the word of God is true. and what 101G stated is true.
101G.
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'For God so loved the world,
that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him
should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through Him might be saved.'
(Joh 3:16-17)
Thank you for responding, @101G.
God is spirit, not, 'a' spirit (re.John 4:24): and was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself. The body and the humanity of Christ, though important, was a means to an end I believe. It enabled God to redeem His People, and to destroy the works of the Devil. As the son of man He will judge the world also, and be the means whereby we who are trusting in His all-sufficient sacrifice for sin, will be resurrected to life everlasting, in Him.
* Forgive my human reasoning here, Lord, and correct in measure I pray.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris
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101G
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John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
remember all spirit come from God including us the "spirit" that is in the bodies we possess. there is only "one" .... Spirit, all others are of him "spirit", which are G2087 ἕτερος heteros (he'-te-ros). but Christ "spirit" is G243 ἄλλος allos (al'-los). understand the difference?
100% correct, for it is his "OWN" ARM in that flesh.
correct, to be the sacrifice once and for all.
BINGO. see above
101G
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Hello @101G,
Thank you for replying.
'But as it is written,
.. Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard,
.... neither have entered into the heart of man,
...... the things which God hath prepared
........ for them that love Him.
.......... But God hath revealed them unto us
............ by His Spirit:
.............. for the Spirit searcheth all things,
................ yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received,
.. not the spirit of the world,
.... but the spirit which is of God;
...... that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
........ Which things also we speak,
.......... not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,
............ but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
.............. comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.'
(1Co 2:9-14)
Again the issue is not the spirit but the personally of the word
And it was not my question but Dwight's comment you failed to address.
Peterlag
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I'm not failing. I'm answering the questions. You just are not accepting my data so you say I'm not answering. The Logos translated Word is an it. The spirit is an it. The Holy Spirit is what God is. Not another God.
You cannot address the personally of the word by addressing the Spirit. You have posted nothing by way of proof to support your claim The Word is not personal
Peterlag
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I would comment if I understood what you said. But I don't. I admit when I don't understand someone. What you do when you don't understand is say the person did not answer.
Whoa. It seems Peterlag has some unusual or narrow concept of godhood here. It is even weird that he has used the capitalized word when say "Not another God." And certainly there is no Christian concept of "another god" in play here. The problem then is that Peterlag has some concept of godhood that precludes God existing as a plurality, as if that is contrary to being God. At the heart of the discussion is discovering who God is, not of excluding concepts that are not regularly seen among people
Peterlag also has the problem realizing that Greek translation does involve using "he" even if that is not explicit in the Greek. What even is his interpretation of John 1 if the chapter is not talking about Christ Jesus, who is the topic of the whole letter?
He will parrot the Judaizing Unitarian view as usual, anything but Jesus Christ. Judaizers come in all shapes, sizes, and denominations.
How is it a Judaizing view? I suppose in part that he has said a mere man lived so perfectly that God raised Jesus to a higher pay grade than when Jesus was living. So this concept could imply that works place someone into better status with God.
Certainly the concern with his concept of Christ Jesus is that Peterlag has other doctrines severely contrasting with Christianity.
Jews were the first to disbelieve that Jesus is God. That heresy was adopted by Arians across religions and denominations: Islam, JWs, etc...
If Peterlag is called an Arianist, it might be generous. we do have to recognize we only hear about Arian's views through the writings rejecting it. But one view of Arianists is that Christ was the first created being, so in Christ all other things were created. Peterlag's view is that nothing existed of Jesus until he was born. The view of many Arianists then is that Jesus was adopted into divinity {Gonzalez, A History of Christian Thought, 264). But Peterlag may not even accept that detail.
Peterlag said the following:
"Getting up from the dead and being the first to do so having been the Messiah, the son of God would definitely put someone in the category of being divine."
Peterlag certainly sounds like an Arian to me.
civic
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Arian is synonymous with Unitarian as far as belief in who God is concerned.
and Arianism & Unitarianism have their roots in Judaizers "as far as belief in who God is concerned".
What's not to understand?
The issue is the personality of the word
John 1:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.
You instead speak of the Holy Spirit.
Peterlag
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It's the same thing both holy spirit and the word. It's an it. You quote being through Him. The Word is logos and that's an it.
Complete
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'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:29-32)
Hello @Peterlag,
Don't you see how disrespectful it is to refer to The Holy Spirit in this way? An 'it' cannot be grieved. It is the Holy Spirit of God that you are referring to, please be mindful of that.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:29-32)
Hello @Peterlag,
Don't you see how disrespectful it is to refer to The Holy Spirit in this way? An 'it' cannot be grieved. It is the Holy Spirit of God that you are referring to, please be mindful of that.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
