Who is Jesus?

[Peterlag]

Your logic means nothing to me. I look for Scripture that teaches Jesus is God and there's none. Even with this Thomas holds no water. What Hebrew word did Thomas use? It was not YHWH, for "my YHWH" never appears in all of scripture. The translators who translated the Gospels from Hebrew to Greek could not have been Jews for they made not difference in translating both YHWH and Elohim into "theos". Thomas obviously said "my Elohim" which means "my mighty one".

John 1:1,14 is as clear as it gets. Thomas' "My Lord and my God." is also clear. Paul's "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us ..." Titus 2:13 is crystal clear. Hebrews 1 is clear. The fact that Jesus pre-existed and that He even encourages people to worship Him - "if these remain silent, even the rocks would cry out." are plain as day.
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John 1:14
The "Word" is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God and the Word became flesh as Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus Christ was the Word in the flesh, which is shortened to the Word for ease of speaking. Scripture is also the Word in writing. Everyone agrees that the Word in writing had a beginning. So did the Word in the flesh. In fact, the Greek text of Matthew 1:18 says that very clearly: "Now the beginning of Jesus Christ was in this manner..." The modern Greek texts all read "beginning" in Matthew 1:18. Birth is considered an acceptable translation since the beginning of some things is birth, and so most translations read birth. Nevertheless, the proper understanding of Matthew 1:18 is the beginning of Jesus Christ. In the beginning God had a plan, a purpose, which became flesh when Jesus was conceived.

 

[dwight92070]

So you basically strip the "Word" from being a person. You say it is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God. So why does John call the "Word" He?
"HE was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through HIM, and apart from HIM nothing came into being that has come into being. In HIM was life, and the life was the Light of men."

 

[Peterlag]

So you basically strip the "Word" from being a person. You say it is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God. So why does John call the "Word" He?
"HE was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through HIM, and apart from HIM nothing came into being that has come into being. In HIM was life, and the life was the Light of men."

Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him”because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and “it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and “S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.

 

[TomL]

Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him”because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and “it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and “S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.

You ignored what Dwight was saying

So you basically strip the "Word" from being a person. You say it is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God. So why does John call the "Word" He?
"HE was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through HIM, and apart from HIM nothing came into being that has come into being. In HIM was life, and the life was the Light of men.

Which is the personality of the Word to speak upon the Spirit

 

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'That which was from the beginning,
.. which we have heard,
.... which we have seen with our eyes,
...... which we have looked upon,
........ and our hands have handled,
........ of the Word of life;
.......... (For the life was manifested,
and we have seen it,
.. and bear witness,
.... and shew unto you that eternal life,
...... which was with the Father,
........ and was manifested unto us )
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
and with His Son Jesus Christ.'
(1Jn 1:1-3)

* John and the other disciples had no doubt that the One Whom they had lived with, listened to, held, and adored; was the very 'Word of Life', the Lord Jesus Christ, now risen and glorified and sat at God's right hand.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Complete]

'For we have not followed cunningly devised fables,
when we made known unto you
the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
For He received from God the Father honour and glory,
when there came such a voice to Him from the excellent glory,
This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard,
when we were with Him in the holy mount.'
(2Pet. 1:16)

* First hand Witness testimony - wonderful!

Praise God!

 

[Complete]

'Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.'
(Joh 8:58)

'And Moses said unto God,
.. Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel,
.... and shall say unto them,
...... The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you;
........ and they shall say to me, What is His name?
.......... what shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, 'I AM THAT I AM:'
and He said,
'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
.. I AM hath sent me unto you.'
And God said moreover unto Moses,
'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
.. The LORD God of your fathers,
.... the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,
...... hath sent me unto you:
........ this is My name for ever,
.......... and this is My memorial unto all generations.'
(Exo 3:13-15)

* Meaning:- I will be what I will be (or become), according to the needs of those with whom He is in relation.

Praise His Holy Name!

 

[Complete]

'For in Him (Christ Jesus our risen and glorified Lord and Head)
dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily.'
(Col 2:9)

Praise God! For His wisdom and His grace.

 

[Peterlag]

You ignored what Dwight was saying



Which is the personality of the Word to speak upon the Spirit

I just answered your question and you read right over it because you refuse to see it. Again, The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and “it.” The spirit is an it. Not a him.

 

[101G]

Philippians 2:7 is not referring to God.

well lets read Philippians 2:5 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" (Christ Jesus is the Subject), Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

the subject Jesus the Christ is in the Form of God, and Form here is NATURE, and God's nature is "Spirit", per John 4:24a. and he Christ Jesus, the subject is EQUAL "WITH" God, notice EQUAL .... "WITH" and not EQUAL "TO" God, because "WITH" tells us he is GOD.

Oh how so easy.

101G.

 

[101G]

You read God because you're mind is programed to see God even when it's clearly referring to Jesus.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

see above, it the Lord Jesus.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

see above, it the Lord Jesus.

101G.

Lord Jesus does not mean God Jesus.

 

[Peterlag]

well lets read Philippians 2:5 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" (Christ Jesus is the Subject), Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

the subject Jesus the Christ is in the Form of God, and Form here is NATURE, and God's nature is "Spirit", per John 4:24a. and he Christ Jesus, the subject is EQUAL "WITH" God, notice EQUAL .... "WITH" and not EQUAL "TO" God, because "WITH" tells us he is GOD.

Oh how so easy.

101G.

The word "form" you think is inner. I think it's outer. Meaning he always did God's Word.

 

[101G]

o wit, that God was in Christ,
reconciling the world unto Himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.'
(2 Cor. 5:16-19)

First thank for the verse. this is very important to understand. 101G hope no one think that the term God, here in the verse is a separate spirit or different person from the spirit that was in that flesh and blood that was born.

101G.

 

[101G]

Lord Jesus does not mean God Jesus.

Lord Jesus is God

101G

 

[101G]

The word "form" you think is inner. I think it's outer. Meaning he always did God's Word.

well let's see.
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

the Root of G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') is G313. now let's see what G313 is,
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).

portion? yes, and another word for "Portion", as a noun, used in A part of a whole, as here. is "SHARE".

now Pete, do God the Spirit has flesh bone and blood as a equal SHARE? no, but as Spirit yes. so the "FORM" here of Christ Jesus is INNER... Hello, you're reproved. see by scriptures, and understanding terms by the power of the Holy Spirit lead, one can by common sense reveal the scripture meaning.

so now you can try again or accept that the word of God is true. and what 101G stated is true.

101G.

 

[Complete]

First thank for the verse. this is very important to understand. 101G hopes no one thinks that the term God, here in the verse, is a separate spirit or different person from the spirit that was in that flesh and blood that was born.

101G.

'For God so loved the world,
that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him
should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through Him might be saved.'
(Joh 3:16-17)

Thank you for responding, @101G.
God is spirit, not, 'a' spirit (re.John 4:24): and was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself. The body and the humanity of Christ, though important, was a means to an end I believe. It enabled God to redeem His People, and to destroy the works of the Devil. As the son of man He will judge the world also, and be the means whereby we who are trusting in His all-sufficient sacrifice for sin, will be resurrected to life everlasting, in Him.

* Forgive my human reasoning here, Lord, and correct in measure I pray.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[101G]

thank you for responding, @101G.
God is spirit, not, 'a spirit'

John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
remember all spirit come from God including us the "spirit" that is in the bodies we possess. there is only "one" .... Spirit, all others are of him "spirit", which are G2087 ἕτερος heteros (he'-te-ros). but Christ "spirit" is G243 ἄλλος allos (al'-los). understand the difference?

reconciling the world unto Himself.

100% correct, for it is his "OWN" ARM in that flesh.

The body and the humanity of Christ, though important, was a means to an end I believe. I

correct, to be the sacrifice once and for all.

It enabled God to redeem His People, and to destroy the works of the Devil. As the son of man He will judge the world also, and be the vehicle whereby we will be resurrected to life everlasting, in Him.

BINGO. see above

101G

 

[Complete]

John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
remember all spirit come from God including us the "spirit" that is in the bodies we possess. there is only "one" .... Spirit, all others are of him "spirit", which are G2087 ἕτερος heteros (he'-te-ros). but Christ "spirit" is G243 ἄλλος allos (al'-los). understand the difference?

100% correct, for it is his "OWN" ARM in that flesh.

correct, to be the sacrifice once and for all.

BINGO. see above

101G

Hello @101G,

Thank you for replying.

'But as it is written,
.. Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard,
.... neither have entered into the heart of man,
...... the things which God hath prepared
........ for them that love Him.
.......... But God hath revealed them unto us
............ by His Spirit:
.............. for the Spirit searcheth all things,
................ yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received,
.. not the spirit of the world,
.... but the spirit which is of God;
...... that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
........ Which things also we speak,
.......... not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,
............ but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
.............. comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.'
(1Co 2:9-14)

 

[TomL]

I just answered your question and you read right over it because you refuse to see it. Again, The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and “it.” The spirit is an it. Not a him.

Again the issue is not the spirit but the personally of the word

So you basically strip the "Word" from being a person. You say it is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God. So why does John call the "Word" He?
"HE was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through HIM, and apart from HIM nothing came into being that has come into being. In HIM was life, and the life was the Light of men.

And it was not my question but Dwight's comment you failed to address.