Who is Jesus?

Peterlag said:
Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him” because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and“ it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and“S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.
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Hello @Peterlag,

I agree that there are occasions when references to the spirit (small 's'), refers to the new nature, or the gifts rather than The Giver of them. There is a book, by Dr. E.W. Bullinger which is an in depth study of all of it's usages within the New Testament, which is very useful in regard to this subject. I will give you a link to the book in PDF format, just in case you are interested :- https://www.bibleunderstanding.com/GiverandHisGifts, The E.W.Bullinger.pdf

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'But The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
Whom the Father will send in My name,
He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.'
(Joh 14:26)

Hello again,

Please notice in the verse (above) that our Lord referring to the Holy Ghost, uses the words, 'Whom' and 'He':- 'He shall teach you all things, ...': Thereby very much personifying the Holy Spirit. If the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, spoke in those terms, then surely so should we.

* The following booklet is very helpful in regard to God the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit:-


Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Complete said:
Hello @Peterlag,

I agree that there are occasions when references to the spirit (small 's'), refers to the new nature, or the gifts rather than The Giver of them. There is a book, by Dr. E.W. Bullinger which is an in depth study of all of it's usages within the New Testament, which is very useful in regard to this subject. I will give you a link to the book in PDF format, just in case you are interested :- https://www.bibleunderstanding.com/GiverandHisGifts, The E.W.Bullinger.pdf

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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E. W. Bullinger is one of my teachers. I will look at your link and get back to you. But before I do I would like to mention that Bullinger is my go to guy. I check everything from his writings. But when it comes to the earth being flat that he believed or his concept of the trinity is where he and I part.
 
101G said:
He, Jesus is the Holy Spirit, 101G have revealed that information concerning him, Jesus as the advocate, see post 281 again. and scripture confirm this again 1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." and God is the ROCK. Psalms 18:2 "The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower."

case closed, you can try again, but to no effect.

101G.
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Not only the verses associated with the wilderness wanderings, but the whole Old Testament spoke of the Messiah as a future hope. For example, Micah 5:2 foretells his birth in Bethlehem, and Isaiah 53 shows his future life and death. Also, verses such as Jeremiah 33:14-15 show that the Christ was the “promised Messiah.” But there is no need to promise the Messiah if he was already with the people. No clear verses say the Messiah was with Israel, and the Jews never understood that to be the case.

The lesson from this verse is that the people looked forward to the coming of the Messiah and “drank,” i.e., got strength and nourishment, from knowing that he was coming, just as we today get strength and nourishment from knowing that he is coming again.

2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
 
Peterlag said:
E. W. Bullinger is one of my teachers. I will look at your link and get back to you. But before I do I would like to mention that Bullinger is my go to guy. I check everything from his writings. But when it comes to the earth being flat that he believed or his concept of the trinity is where he and I part.
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Subject Heading:- 'Who Is Jesus'

“By the WORD of JEHOVAH were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the BREATH ( or Spirit) of His mouth.”
(Psalm 33:6)

Hello @Peterlag,

I do appreciate Dr Bullinger's works: Having read many of them; but have never read of his believing in a flat earth! He really honoured the Lord: and in his booklet, 'The Knowledge of God', presents the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit wonderfully: giving evidence in abundance of their threefold work throughout the Scriptures; even in the Old Testament the threefold work is seen in operation. as seen in the verse quoted above.


In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Complete said:
Subject Heading:- 'Who Is Jesus'

“By the WORD of JEHOVAH were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the BREATH ( or Spirit) of His mouth.”
(Psalm 33:6)

Hello @Peterlag,

I do appreciate Dr Bullinger's works: Having read many of them; but have never read of his believing in a flat earth! He really honoured the Lord: and in his booklet, 'The Knowledge of God', presents the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit wonderfully: giving evidence in abundance of their threefold work throughout the Scriptures; even in the Old Testament the threefold work is seen in operation. as seen in the verse quoted above.


In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Someone sent me a clip that Bullinger believed the earth was flat. It seems really odd that he or anyone would have thought that a hundred years ago. I read it but I wonder if it was something someone made up like fake news. Anyway I have your paper and will let you know if I like it. If this Bullinger paper is about the trinity then it's going to be a short read.
 
Peterlag said:
It's the same thing both holy spirit and the word. It's an it. You quote being through Him. The Word is logos and that's an it.
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Sorry that is begging the question

The issue is the personality of the word

John 1:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.


You instead speak of the Holy Spirit.
 
TomL said:
Sorry that is begging the question

The issue is the personality of the word

John 1:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.


You instead speak of the Holy Spirit.
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Are you aware that your words are an it and not a him. And even in the following you refer to it as an it. See below...

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.
 
Peterlag said:
Are you aware that your words are an it and not a him. And even in the following you refer to it as an it. See below...

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.
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John did not get your memo when he called the Word a "He' or "Him" multiple times. The "it" pronoun that you're referring to is Christ's attribute of Light. Christ's light is not a person, the Word (Christ) is a person.
 
synergy said:
John did not get your memo when he called the Word a "He' or "Him" multiple times. The "it" pronoun that you're referring to is Christ's attribute of Light. Christ's light is not a person, the Word (Christ) is a person.
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Light is Wisdom. and God is wisdom. and God is a PERSON. scriptures. Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
Light here is not NATURAL LIGHT as the sun produce. Light Here is WISDOM, the Spirit, the PERSON who is God.
LIGHT: H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
Root(s): H215

now Natural LIGHT made on day 4.
Light: H215 אוֹר 'owr (ore) v.
1. to be luminous.
2. (causative) to make luminous.
{literally and metaphorically}
[a primitive root]
KJV: X break of day, glorious, kindle, (be, en-, give, show) light (-en, -ened), set on fire, shine.

see the difference? now notice definition #2 in the Light : H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) ... 2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.). see that word "happiness" another word or words that is synonymous to it? answer, REJOICE and DELIGHT. let's see it.

Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." Proverbs 8:23 "I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was." Proverbs 8:24 "When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water." Proverbs 8:25 "Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:" Proverbs 8:26 "While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world." Proverbs 8:27 "When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:" Proverbs 8:28 "When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:" Proverbs 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:" Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;" Proverbs 8:31 "Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men."

101G.
 
101G said:
that statement by itself is polytheistic in Nature. there is ONLY "ONE" Being, and everything else is his creation/creatures.

101G.
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no it is not. You have been trained to that idea.

Oneness is the evil realm concept. shows zero generosity and is utterly satanic.
 
Gods sons and daughters Are.Not.Creatures.

that is trained into you, bullied into you and is pure Evil as a concept.

creatures cannot rule with Christ.

And His actual real sons will!
 

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