Who is Jesus?

Peterlag said:
It's the same thing both holy spirit and the word. It's an it. You quote being through Him. The Word is logos and that's an it.
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ERROR, the Holy Spirit and the Word is the Person JESUS. is not the Holy Spirit the Intercessor? well let's see who, yes, WHO he is. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
the Greek term "advocate",
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

now, Pete, who is the Comforter? answer the Lord Jesus. and is not the Holy Spirit OUR intercessor? who is the Lord Jesus, let's see Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." he?...... he? yes, he, and now the "he" revealed. Romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."

my God this is right in front of one's eyes.

101G
 
Complete said:
'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:29-32)

Hello @Peterlag,

Don't you see how disrespectful it is to refer to The Holy Spirit in this way? An 'it' cannot be grieved. It is the Holy Spirit of God that you are referring to, please be mindful of that.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him” because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and“ it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and“S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.
 
101G said:
ERROR, the Holy Spirit and the Word is the Person JESUS. is not the Holy Spirit the Intercessor? well let's see who, yes, WHO he is. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
the Greek term "advocate",
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

now, Pete, who is the Comforter? answer the Lord Jesus. and is not the Holy Spirit OUR intercessor? who is the Lord Jesus, let's see Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." he?...... he? yes, he, and now the "he" revealed. Romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."

my God this is right in front of one's eyes.

101G
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Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him” because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and“ it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and“S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.
 
Peterlag said:
Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him” because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and“ it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and“S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.
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GINOLJC, to all.
First you ERROR and here's why. the Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus, listen and learn. 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
Where was and who is the Spirit? yes, chaptalized, yes, the Lord Jesus before he had flesh, bone and blood. Pete do you understand the scriptures here?
and please don't come with the excuse, "Almost every English version translates", that want work anymore, Not as if it did before. you're in a delusion that the word of God is only correct by your translation. which is dangerous. so try again.

101G
 
101G said:
GINOLJC, to all.
First you ERROR and here's why. the Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus, listen and learn. 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
Where was and who is the Spirit? yes, chaptalized, yes, the Lord Jesus before he had flesh, bone and blood. Pete do you understand the scriptures here?
and please don't come with the excuse, "Almost every English version translates", that want work anymore, Not as if it did before. you're in a delusion that the word of God is only correct by your translation. which is dangerous. so try again.

101G
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I already commented on 1 Peter 1:11. Here it is again...

“the spirit of Christ.” This verse uses the phrase “spirit of Christ” because God revealed information about the Christ to believers via the gift of holy spirit. Unfortunately, some people have misunderstood the phrase and think it means Christ himself was present in the Old Testament, but he was not. In the first place, the phrase “spirit of Christ” never appears in the Old Testament. The “spirit of the Lord” or “the spirit of God” appears over and over, but never the “spirit of Christ.” If Jesus were alive during the Old Testament, we would expect to see that designation, but we do not.

The gift of holy spirit that God gave in the Old Testament and Gospels was always the same spirit, but it was referred to by different names depending on the context. We are used to this when it comes to God. There is only one God, but He has many different names and titles. Similarly, there is only one gift of holy spirit, but it is referred to by different names in different contexts. When it is associated with wisdom, it is called the “spirit of wisdom” (Exod. 28:3; Deut. 34:9; Eph. 1:17). When it is associated with grace, it is called the “spirit of grace” (Zech. 12:10; Heb. 10:29). When it is related to glory, it is called the “spirit of glory” (1 Pet. 4:14). It is called the “spirit of adoption” when it is associated with our everlasting life (Rom. 8:15, which is translated as “spirit of sonship” in some versions). It is called “the spirit of truth” when it is associated with the truth we learn by revelation (John 14:17; 16:13). When it came with the same power as it brought to Elijah, it was called “the spirit of Elijah” (2 Kings 2:15). These are not different spirits. All the names refer to the one gift of holy spirit that God gives.

When Peter mentions that “the spirit of Christ” was upon prophets as they “predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glory that would follow,” it is easy to see that the spirit is called the “spirit of Christ” because it is associated with Christ, foretold of Christ, and was the same holy spirit as Jesus himself received at his baptism, not because Christ was actually alive during the Old Testament. Thus, the genitive phrase, “the spirit of Christ” is a genitive of relation; the spirit that is related to Christ.b
 
Peterlag said:
“the spirit of Christ.” This verse uses the phrase “spirit of Christ” because God revealed information about the Christ to believers via the gift of holy spirit.
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He, Jesus is the Holy Spirit, 101G have revealed that information concerning him, Jesus as the advocate, see post 281 again. and scripture confirm this again 1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." and God is the ROCK. Psalms 18:2 "The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower."

case closed, you can try again, but to no effect.

101G.
 
Peterlag said:
Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him” because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and“ it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and“S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.
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Hello @Peterlag,

I agree that there are occasions when references to the spirit (small 's'), refers to the new nature, or the gifts rather than The Giver of them. There is a book, by Dr. E.W. Bullinger which is an in depth study of all of it's usages within the New Testament, which is very useful in regard to this subject. I will give you a link to the book in PDF format, just in case you are interested :- https://www.bibleunderstanding.com/GiverandHisGifts, The E.W.Bullinger.pdf

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Subject Heading:- Who Is Jesus?

'But The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
Whom the Father will send in My name,
He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.'
(Joh 14:26)

Hello again,

Please notice in the verse (above) that our Lord referring to the Holy Ghost, uses the words, 'Whom' and 'He':- 'He shall teach you all things, ...': Thereby very much personifying the Holy Spirit. If the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, spoke in those terms, then surely so should we.

* The following booklet is very helpful in regard to God the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit:-


Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Complete said:
Hello @Peterlag,

I agree that there are occasions when references to the spirit (small 's'), refers to the new nature, or the gifts rather than The Giver of them. There is a book, by Dr. E.W. Bullinger which is an in depth study of all of it's usages within the New Testament, which is very useful in regard to this subject. I will give you a link to the book in PDF format, just in case you are interested :- https://www.bibleunderstanding.com/GiverandHisGifts, The E.W.Bullinger.pdf

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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E. W. Bullinger is one of my teachers. I will look at your link and get back to you. But before I do I would like to mention that Bullinger is my go to guy. I check everything from his writings. But when it comes to the earth being flat that he believed or his concept of the trinity is where he and I part.
 
101G said:
He, Jesus is the Holy Spirit, 101G have revealed that information concerning him, Jesus as the advocate, see post 281 again. and scripture confirm this again 1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." and God is the ROCK. Psalms 18:2 "The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower."

case closed, you can try again, but to no effect.

101G.
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Not only the verses associated with the wilderness wanderings, but the whole Old Testament spoke of the Messiah as a future hope. For example, Micah 5:2 foretells his birth in Bethlehem, and Isaiah 53 shows his future life and death. Also, verses such as Jeremiah 33:14-15 show that the Christ was the “promised Messiah.” But there is no need to promise the Messiah if he was already with the people. No clear verses say the Messiah was with Israel, and the Jews never understood that to be the case.

The lesson from this verse is that the people looked forward to the coming of the Messiah and “drank,” i.e., got strength and nourishment, from knowing that he was coming, just as we today get strength and nourishment from knowing that he is coming again.

2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
 
Peterlag said:
E. W. Bullinger is one of my teachers. I will look at your link and get back to you. But before I do I would like to mention that Bullinger is my go to guy. I check everything from his writings. But when it comes to the earth being flat that he believed or his concept of the trinity is where he and I part.
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Subject Heading:- 'Who Is Jesus'

“By the WORD of JEHOVAH were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the BREATH ( or Spirit) of His mouth.”
(Psalm 33:6)

Hello @Peterlag,

I do appreciate Dr Bullinger's works: Having read many of them; but have never read of his believing in a flat earth! He really honoured the Lord: and in his booklet, 'The Knowledge of God', presents the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit wonderfully: giving evidence in abundance of their threefold work throughout the Scriptures; even in the Old Testament the threefold work is seen in operation. as seen in the verse quoted above.


In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Complete said:
Subject Heading:- 'Who Is Jesus'

“By the WORD of JEHOVAH were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the BREATH ( or Spirit) of His mouth.”
(Psalm 33:6)

Hello @Peterlag,

I do appreciate Dr Bullinger's works: Having read many of them; but have never read of his believing in a flat earth! He really honoured the Lord: and in his booklet, 'The Knowledge of God', presents the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit wonderfully: giving evidence in abundance of their threefold work throughout the Scriptures; even in the Old Testament the threefold work is seen in operation. as seen in the verse quoted above.


In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Someone sent me a clip that Bullinger believed the earth was flat. It seems really odd that he or anyone would have thought that a hundred years ago. I read it but I wonder if it was something someone made up like fake news. Anyway I have your paper and will let you know if I like it. If this Bullinger paper is about the trinity then it's going to be a short read.
 
Peterlag said:
It's the same thing both holy spirit and the word. It's an it. You quote being through Him. The Word is logos and that's an it.
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Sorry that is begging the question

The issue is the personality of the word

John 1:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.


You instead speak of the Holy Spirit.
 
TomL said:
Sorry that is begging the question

The issue is the personality of the word

John 1:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.


You instead speak of the Holy Spirit.
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Are you aware that your words are an it and not a him. And even in the following you refer to it as an it. See below...

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.
 
Peterlag said:
Are you aware that your words are an it and not a him. And even in the following you refer to it as an it. See below...

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.
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John did not get your memo when he called the Word a "He' or "Him" multiple times. The "it" pronoun that you're referring to is Christ's attribute of Light. Christ's light is not a person, the Word (Christ) is a person.
 

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