Frank Russell
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Yes, the calvinist god is a wimpy god indeed.
Where in the Bible does God decree everything ?
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Frank Russell
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This illustrates that God creates good and sin comes from people.Genesis 50:20 [NKJV] "But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive."
Not less than 100% control for God, just less than 20/20 vision for us.
Totally less than 100% control, since the God who commanded thou shalt not covet, is not a control freak.
The Rogue Tomato
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Yes, sin came from the brothers. But God MEANT IT to happen. Not allowed it. MEANT IT. God didn't control the brothers like robots, but he MEANT for them to do what they did. If you can grasp how both can be true at the same time, you can begin to grasp how God's sovereignty and man's (fallen) free will are not at odds.
e v e
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yes
adam really did evil to us
by adopting the satanic mindset
and giving us over to the demon nations
praise_yeshua
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So you believe you would have done better?
praise_yeshua
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Surprise surprise surprise.......
We go from bashing "freewillers" and predestination to compatibilism. How many times have I seen that happen before.........
Is there ever any consistent Calvinists anywhere?
Frank Russell
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According to the scripture, Satan meant for it to happen.
Guess we know what god calvinism worships.
praise_yeshua
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Many English translations contain a poor choice of words.
Here is a good one....
Gen 50:20 You thought evil against me, but God turned it into good, to bring to passe as it is this day, and to save much people alive.
That is the way God works. He OVERCOMES.... evil. With good.
civic
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Great question
civic
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Yes quite the opposite of how the calvies see it
The Rogue Tomato
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Genesis 50:20 But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive.
So... you think God is Satan?
civic
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God did not determine the evil that happened to Joseph that was all his brothers doing. God used those circumstances of evil/sin to work out good from that in both Joseph's life and his brothers. God knew this would happen but did not make it happen via calvinisms predestination.
hope this helps !!!
The Rogue Tomato
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You're saying God ALLOWED it. Scripture says God MEANT it. LTR
civic
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What you meant for evil, God meant for good. They intended to harm Joseph, not God.
New International Version
You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.
New Living Translation
You intended to harm me, but God intended it all for good. He brought me to this position so I could save the lives of many people.
English Standard Version
As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today.
Berean Standard Bible
As for you, what you intended against me for evil, God intended for good, in order to accomplish a day like this—to preserve the lives of many people.
King James Bible
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive
The Rogue Tomato
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Intended. Meant. God ordained it to be so. God made sure it happened so that good could come from it. No matter how you slice it, God meant it, God intended it, and that's not the same thing as "it happened and God allowed it so He could use it for good".
civic
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It doesn’t say God predestined it to happen but that He turned the brothers sin/ evil into good as the outcome.
atpollard
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Was is just a lucky coincidence that the slavers that came by happened to be going to Egypt?
If they were heading to Assyria, would everyone have starved when the famine came and would there have been no Passover Supper for Jesus to use to teach us about His body and His blood?
Of course God predestined it to happen!
atpollard
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atpollard
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James 1:13-15 [NLT] And remember, when you are being tempted, do not say, "God is tempting me." God is never tempted to do wrong, and he never tempts anyone else. Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. These desires give birth to sinful actions. And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.
According to scripture, temptation comes from human desires, which give birth to sinful actions, and ultimately leads to death. So from Men, not Satan (the “accuser”).
The God who … causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them. For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself. And having given them right standing, he gave them his glory. - Romans 8:28-30 [NLT]
What “god” do you worship?
e v e
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God does nothing evil or cause sin
