Where in the Bible does God decree everything ?

[civic]

I will quote @e v e on our old forum

The prime mover unmoved construct is PAGAN.

It comes from the Aristotle, a greek pagan, referring to his gods.

If God was 'unmoved' He would be a sociopath.

The greek gods are sociopathic.. hence aristotle refers to
the mover unmoved....because....
those beings are unaffected, unmoved and do not love. Cruelty is their nature.

That's nothing like our Christian God.

If we did not affect Him He would not have bothered to send His son to save us.
Or to speak to us at all through His Words in Scripture. Or to want us back.

instead we can say

God is perfect and He is love
and He is our deity...
and He knows every hair on heads
and cares for us..
and that He wants His sons, you and all His sons,
to rule with Christ in His New creation (restored eden.)

And everything God says and does is true...
and His will be done, now and for ever.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will.

What is excluded from ALL THINGS?
GOD "works ALL THINGS" vs "everything that comes to pass".
Who is really guilty of eisegesis?

All doesn't mean all?

 

[atpollard]

Posts 37-38 and 56 filled with Scripture conveniently ignored where Jesus/God oppose Calvinism, 1689 and WCF.

Scripture trumps creeds everytime.

hope this helps !!!

Which would matter a LOT more if we were talking about Creeds. Have you forgotten your own OP?

Where does this concept come from with Gods Divine Determinism, the Divine Decree in the Bible ?

Where does God say : I declare everything that comes to pass ?

Got Scripture?

Then you shrug off the scripture that is provided ... so you were really just looking for a soapbox from which to shout to your choir!

You wanted scripture from Calvinists, this was not a topic asking Calvinists to explain scripture to you ... so why are you surprised that Calvinists have not flocked to the topic to explain scripture? That is not what you created the topic about.

Personally, I do not meet your definition of a Calvinist ... I have never read the writings of John Calvin. I am just a simple "Particular Baptist" that believes what he read in scripture ... "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." - Ephesians 2:1-10 [NKJV]

Amazing grace how sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but now I'm found
Was blind but now I see​

​

'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear
And grace my fears relieved
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed​

​

Through many dangers, toils, and snares
I have already come
This grace that brought me safe thus far
And grace will lead me home​

​

When we've been here ten thousand years
Bright, shining as the sun
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we first begun​

​

Amazing grace how sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but now I'm found
Was blind but now I see​

[See, I am a Baptist ... we end with a Hymn.]

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I am almost certain that the creeds do not say that God is the cause of evil. The KJV does, but it is a poor modern translation since the word "evil" drifted in meaning over the last few hundred years.

Since the OPENING LINE is false, is there any reason to continue to read what was built on your false foundation?

I can't recall where I read it, but a book I read speculated that God made a change in Satan that led to his rebellion. Something along the lines of giving Satan a sense of self-importance. That was his explanation as to how evil/sin came about. He admitted that this meant God ordained the fact that Satan rebelled, but didn't make him rebel. I have no idea if that speculation is true, but I found it interesting.

 

[civic]

Which would matter a LOT more if we were talking about Creeds. Have you forgotten your own OP?



Then you shrug off the scripture that is provided ... so you were really just looking for a soapbox from which to shout to your choir!

You wanted scripture from Calvinists, this was not a topic asking Calvinists to explain scripture to you ... so why are you surprised that Calvinists have not flocked to the topic to explain scripture? That is not what you created the topic about.

Personally, I do not meet your definition of a Calvinist ... I have never read the writings of John Calvin. I am just a simple "Particular Baptist" that believes what he read in scripture ... "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." - Ephesians 2:1-10 [NKJV]

Amazing grace how sweet the sound​

That saved a wretch like me​

I once was lost, but now I'm found​

Was blind but now I see​

​

'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear​

And grace my fears relieved​

How precious did that grace appear​

The hour I first believed​

​

Through many dangers, toils, and snares​

I have already come​

This grace that brought me safe thus far​

And grace will lead me home​

​

When we've been here ten thousand years​

Bright, shining as the sun​

We've no less days to sing God's praise​

Than when we first begun​

​

Amazing grace how sweet the sound​

That saved a wretch like me​

I once was lost, but now I'm found​

Was blind but now I see​

[See, I am a Baptist ... we end with a Hymn.]

A Great song we can both sing to the glory of God.

 

[civic]

I can't recall where I read it, but a book I read speculated that God made a change in Satan that led to his rebellion. Something along the lines of giving Satan a sense of self-importance. That was his explanation as to how evil/sin came about. He admitted that this meant God ordained the fact that Satan rebelled, but didn't make him rebel. I have no idea if that speculation is true, but I found it interesting.

Thats just it speculation. But we see that he wanted to be like God which was the very sin of pride. The lust of pride which caused the fall of him and his other angels that followed suit behind his rebellion.

 

[atpollard]

Divine Determinism's cause/effect

1- events/people are determined, predestined, fixed- cause
2- humans are powerless to change them- effect

Do you believe that people change the eternal plan of God?

Could Joseph's brothers have killed Joseph and ended "Passover" before it ever got started?
Could Peter and Simon have rescued Jesus and prevented the crucifixion?
Could Saul have rejected Christ and greatly reduced the NT?

Do you REALLY disagree that God determines events and humans are powerless to change them?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Thats just it speculation. But we see that he wanted to be like God which was the very sin of pride. The lust of pride which caused the fall of him and his other angels that followed suit behind his rebellion.

The question he was speculating upon was, "Since God makes everything good, how did bad come about?" Surely God could create angels without pride.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I can't recall where I read it, but a book I read speculated that God made a change in Satan that led to his rebellion. Something along the lines of giving Satan a sense of self-importance. That was his explanation as to how evil/sin came about. He admitted that this meant God ordained the fact that Satan rebelled, but didn't make him rebel. I have no idea if that speculation is true, but I found it interesting.

Does God exercise His freewill to do as He pleases?

If we are to be made in the image of God, then it would require our WILLINGNESS to serve Him.

This is clearly set forth in Exo 21

Exo 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
Exo 21:3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
Exo 21:4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
Exo 21:5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

The willing servant. I've told you before. God isn't dumb enough to force someone to love Him. There is no value in such nonsense. Freedom was given to man in creation. Freedom was given to Satan and all the servants of God.

 

[Frank Russell]

All doesn't mean all?

Except when proving universalism.

 

[civic]

Do you believe that people change the eternal plan of God?

Could Joseph's brothers have killed Joseph and ended "Passover" before it ever got started?
Could Peter and Simon have rescued Jesus and prevented the crucifixion?
Could Saul have rejected Christ and greatly reduced the NT?

Do you REALLY disagree that God determines events and humans are powerless to change them?

Some events not all events. Some people, not all people.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Except when proving universalism.

The bane of Calvinism......

 

[civic]

The question he was speculating upon was, "Since God makes everything good, how did bad come about?" Surely God could create angels without pride.

the million dollar answer is .......................................

free will and choosing to doubt and question God at His word.

 

[Frank Russell]

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Romans 4:17 God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist.

I see evidence that God declared everything into existence.

However, the introduction of sin into the equation implies a less than 100% control.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Romans 4:17 God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist.

I see evidence that God declared everything into existence.

However, the introduction of sin into the equation implies a less than 100% control.

Our will is often powerless. The Calvinist pretends that any semblance of power ceded to humanity would destroy God. It is utterly preposterous. Sin is no danger to God. It is a danger to us, but not to God. Our will free but limited. We are often powerless.... even when we desire good things....

We must ASK for them. There is no power in begging. Just submission.

 

[e v e]

Ask Him.

yes

 

[e v e]

I will quote @e v e on our old forum

The prime mover unmoved construct is PAGAN.

It comes from the Aristotle, a greek pagan, referring to his gods.

If God was 'unmoved' He would be a sociopath.

The greek gods are sociopathic.. hence aristotle refers to
the mover unmoved....because....
those beings are unaffected, unmoved and do not love. Cruelty is their nature.

That's nothing like our Christian God.

If we did not affect Him He would not have bothered to send His son to save us.
Or to speak to us at all through His Words in Scripture. Or to want us back.

instead we can say

God is perfect and He is love
and He is our deity...
and He knows every hair on heads
and cares for us..
and that He wants His sons, you and all His sons,
to rule with Christ in His New creation (restored eden.)

And everything God says and does is true...
and His will be done, now and for ever.

except by hair on our heads
I would intend to say that referring to us in our original state restored in paradise...
how He made us in the original body made by Him
and not what came to be because of adam...
who turned us over to the demon nations (daniel's oven)

for I would never refer to this fleshbody as His temple...

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

the million dollar answer is .......................................

free will and choosing to doubt and question God at His word.

You don't think God could give angels both free will and inclination toward good? Because that's how we will be when we receive our glorified bodies.

 

[atpollard]

Except when proving universalism.

touche.

 

[atpollard]

However, the introduction of sin into the equation implies a less than 100% control.

Genesis 50:20 [NKJV] "But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive."

Not less than 100% control for God, just less than 20/20 vision for us.