atpollard
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Ask Him.
Where in the Bible does God decree everything ?
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atpollard
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oxymoron [Merriam Webster]: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (such as cruel kindness)
No.
atpollard
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The task was to "go ahead, finish the quote" ... so, that would be a "fail". Nowhere in your post did you successfully finish the quote.Lets just burry your first false premise above. Paul goes onto referring the the same ones ( believers ) in chapter 2 as natural/carnal- babes.
This os exactly what happens when one reads their man made doctrines into scripture and isolate a word or verse from its CONTEXT.
A text without the context is a pretext for a proof-text.
You just proved your post is nothing but proof texting. Thanks for the opportunity to prove its true,
Since I just proved the error of your first presupposition the other listed are the exact same false premise.
hope this helps !!!
atpollard
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eisegesis [Merriam-Webster]: the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas
Please underline the "eisegesis" in my post [reproduced below in its entirety].
[KJV] "but the natural man ..." go ahead, finish the quote NOT from Calvin.
[KJV] "for flesh and blood hath not revealed ..." go ahead, finish the quote NOT from Calvin.
[KJV] "In whom the god of this world hath blinded ..." go ahead, finish the quote NOT from Calvin.
[KJV] "And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart ..." go ahead, finish the quote NOT from Calvin.
atpollard
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Tit for tat.
atpollard
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Par for this course.
atpollard
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Would it have been any more useful for me to post "eisegesis" (as you do) as the only response to your scripture?
atpollard
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Or we could respond with this little gem ...
A text without the context is a pretext for a proof text.
Words of wisdom
atpollard
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per WCF, right here ...
- [Psalm 33:11 NKJV] 11 The counsel of the LORD stands forever, The plans of His heart to all generations.
- [Ephesians 1:11 NKJV] 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
- [Hebrews 6:17 NKJV] 17 Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed it by an oath,
civic
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Nice try but it does not say what the creed claims about everything that comes to pass- more eisegesis.
works all things in much different from meticulously determining all things. its called equivocating.
hope this helps !!!
atpollard
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[Joshua 24:15 KJV] "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."fill in the blank
_ _ _ _ _ this day whom you will serve.
next........................
- [Matthew 15:8 KJV] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
And what did they choose?
- [Deu 9:6, 13 NASB] 6 "Know, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the LORD your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stubborn people. ... 13 "The LORD also said to me, 'I have seen this people, and indeed, it is a stubborn people.
- [Psa 78:8 NASB] 8 And not be like their fathers, A stubborn and rebellious generation, A generation that did not prepare its heart And whose spirit was not faithful to God.
- [Jer 5:23 NASB] 23 'But this people has a stubborn and rebellious heart; They have turned aside and departed.
- [Eze 3:7 NASB] 7 yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. The entire house of Israel certainly is stubborn and obstinate.
- [Hos 4:16 NASB] 16 Since Israel is stubborn Like a stubborn cow, Will the LORD now pasture them Like a lamb in a large field?
- [Zec 7:11 NASB] 11 "But they refused to pay attention, and turned a stubborn shoulder and plugged their ears from hearing.
Total Inability does not mean that PEOPLE do not choose, it means that PEOPLE will not choose God!
- [John 3:19-20 NASB] "And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the Light; for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, so that his deeds will not be exposed."
- [Romans 1:18-21 KJV] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
atpollard
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Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will.
What is excluded from ALL THINGS?
GOD "works ALL THINGS" vs "everything that comes to pass".
Who is really guilty of eisegesis?
civic
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Remember God delivers from evil and does not cause evil as taught in Calvinism and the creeds. The Bible/ God is in complete opposition to the divine decree as taught by Calvin and the creeds.
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
1 Chronicles 4:10
And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.
Psalm 121:7,8
The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul…
Jeremiah 15:21
And I will deliver thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible.
NEVER did it ever cross Gods mind to cause anyone to sin as taught by Calvin and the creeds.
Jeremiah 7:31
They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Hinnom so they could burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I never commanded, nor did it even enter My mind.
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.
Jeremiah 32:35
They have built the high places of Baal in the Valley of Hinnom to make their sons and daughters pass through the fire to Molech--something I never commanded them, nor had it ever entered My mind, that they should commit such an abomination and cause Judah to sin
hope this helps !!!
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
1 Chronicles 4:10
And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.
Psalm 121:7,8
The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul…
Jeremiah 15:21
And I will deliver thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible.
NEVER did it ever cross Gods mind to cause anyone to sin as taught by Calvin and the creeds.
Jeremiah 7:31
They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Hinnom so they could burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I never commanded, nor did it even enter My mind.
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.
Jeremiah 32:35
They have built the high places of Baal in the Valley of Hinnom to make their sons and daughters pass through the fire to Molech--something I never commanded them, nor had it ever entered My mind, that they should commit such an abomination and cause Judah to sin
hope this helps !!!
atpollard
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I am almost certain that the creeds do not say that God is the cause of evil. The KJV does, but it is a poor modern translation since the word "evil" drifted in meaning over the last few hundred years.
Since the OPENING LINE is false, is there any reason to continue to read what was built on your false foundation?
civic
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determines all things without exception- everything that comes to pass is ordained by Him
hope this helps !!!
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