The drawing of Israel did not result in many being saved
Jeremiah 31:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: Therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
Israel was drawn
When Grace is not Grace
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Jeremiah 31:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: Therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
Israel was drawn
The Rogue Tomato
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It's almost like Arminianism is a gateway to worship the edited.
Actually it is like you have been deceived by gnostic elements
civic
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Was the a yes or no to my question?
Israel was drawn
Jeremiah 31:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: Therefore with loving kindness have I drawn thee.
Were they true believers?
Just the usual diversion
And you by Pelagian elements
brightfame52
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Grace is not Grace when we teach that those whom the Father Draws Jn 6:44 or the Son Draws after being lifted up for them on that Tree for their sins, that though being drawn, some will not come to believe in Christ in a conversion experience, then Grace is not Grace because its power was overcome by finite strength not to come and believe. The drawing is nothing short of the Infinite Power of Gods Grace, the word draw helkó:
I drag, draw, pull, persuade/cause to believe, unsheathe.
metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel
That inward, not external, but inward power is the Grace of God reigning !
It also means:
I by my moral, my spiritual, influence will win over to myself the hearts of all,
If all Christ draws to Him isnt won over to Him to be His followers, Infinite Grace was overcome by finite man, finite devil, finite flesh
Gods drawing is His Mighty Hand of Power so I ask Dan 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
That word stay mean hinder and hand means His Power. Evidently you believe mans will can !
You provided no answer
Israel was drawn
Jeremiah 31:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: Therefore with loving kindness have I drawn thee.
Were they true believers?
You probably do not even know what Pelagian elements are
No? How about inherent ability to believe? You agree with that one??
The whole church pre Augustine believed that
That does not make it Pelagian
As I had expected you really did not know what constitutes Pelagianism
The whole church? Every last single person? LOL You know them personally?
Neither do you. It's a myth remember? Did Pelagius actually exist?
Slide slide slippery slide.
civic
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according to a fatalist- oh the irony- you sound just like the accuser of the brethren-Augustine the fatalist where luther/calvin got most of their false teachings from.
Just like the accuser of the brethren. Civic. Calling one his brothers in Christ a liar.
REPENT
Slide Slide slippty Slide.
Every one who writes on the subject
Can you name one who did not?
Can any Calvinist quote a single church father previous to Augustine who denied it?
You will not find a one
civic
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the apple doesn't fall far from the tree as they say- augustine via luther via calvin via the reformed today via this forum, via this thread.
Why does it have to be a church father? I can name one. Augustine. LOL
Slide slide slippty slide.the apple doesn't fall far from the tree as they say- augustine via luther via calvin via the reformed today via this forum, via this thread.
Notice now civic denies the Reformation. He is a RC in the making.
What I need is a exhaustive list of the church fathers and their relevant quotes or your simply blowing smoke like any other Provisionist.
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