When are believers in Christ ?
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Pretty sure the Sanhedrin thought the same thing concerning those ignorant fishermen who were the main men among the apostles. You might need to focus more on what they have to say, instead of trying to find fault in their grammar, etc.
Afterall, God has chosen the misfits of this world to be his people, and he purposely by-passed the wise, notable, rich and famous, for the poor, uneducated of this world~BUT....by time he finished with them, those men who thought they were wise are proven to be fools, by these nobodies.
I see my calling, that I'm not among the wise of this world, not even close~but, I rather be among the truly wise men, who faer, love and serve God.
You teach that God calls all and all they have to do is open their heart to Jesus and let him come in, so that they can be save! How foolish to believe in that lie.
See: https://letgodbetrue.com/sermons/index/year-2004/revelation-320-reclaimed/
Thanks for proving my point. Calvinists' refusal to deal with their dirt poor comprehension of grammar is typical of a Calvinists' mindset.
Their willingness to remain in that dirt poor state of affairs is ingrained in their indoctrination. Please keep interacting with us so we can psycholanalyze a Calvinist's thought patterns of denials, alooftness, and dirt poor reading comprehension 
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As a matter of fact I do "focus more on what they have to say". This is what they say:
This remark is typical of Calvinists' willingness to remain in that dirt poor state of affairs which is ingrained in their indoctrination. This reveals a typical Calvinist's thought pattern of denials, alooftness, and willingness to remain in a state of dirt poor reading comprehension.
One does not have to be "wise" in order to practice basic reading comprehension. Here in the US, everyone is taught English Reading Comprehension, not just the "wise".
Nevertheless, please keep exposing what you claim as reasons for refusing to practice the principles of basic reading comprehension.
You're barking up the wrong tree. Nobody here is advocating a "hippie" Jesus, and I don't know of anyone here who is a pure arminian.
The truth is you folks go farther from the truth than even Jacob Arminius departed from!
Jacob Arminius’ Reformed Views on Justification - Society of Evangelical Arminians
Given Arminius' Reformed context, he argues for the Reformed teaching of Justification by Faith alone, or sola fide. Mark Jones, writing for Reformation21, quotes Herman Witsius to the effect, "Arminius, by his subtlety, frames vain empty quibbles, when he contends that the righteousness of...
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civic
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Exactly Amen !!!
Again, I am not an Arminian so I have no desire to fully understand him. His voice, along with thousands of other voices, are drowned out by what the Bible says about believers being positioned "in Christ". Read Ephesians, chapters 1 and 2 especially, and be enlightened by them. Any Hindu-like idea of a calvinist caste system will be immediately eliminated when you do that with a sincere desire for the truth.The truth is you folks go farther from the truth than even Jacob Arminius departed from!
Jacob Arminius’ Reformed Views on Justification - Society of Evangelical Arminians
Given Arminius' Reformed context, he argues for the Reformed teaching of Justification by Faith alone, or sola fide. Mark Jones, writing for Reformation21, quotes Herman Witsius to the effect, "Arminius, by his subtlety, frames vain empty quibbles, when he contends that the righteousness of...
There are only two true positions folks hold to~one is unconditional salvation from sin and condemnation, freely given to God's elect~a salvation 100% secured by the obedience and righteousness of ONE PERSON, the Son of God; the other, is conditional salvation offered unto sinners who are at enmity against God from conception, which salvation is based upon man's free will of opening his own heart to allow God to come in, to saved him from his sins~this salvation is totally up to man, for the taking if he would only believe and repent, etc; etc
Which one do you embrace and teach? You tell us what you believe, so we refute your work gospel.
I believe in unconditional salvation...100% freely secured for God's elect by Jesus Christ alone, and in time freely imparted to us vitally.
Eternally, it was promised to us in Chris tbefore the world begun
Legally our salvation was paid for at he death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Practically we come to understand this great salvation through the preaching of the gospel.
At the great day of Judgement we shall be made known to the world as God's chosen flock which he has chosen to inherit the kingdom that was promised to the seed of Jesus Christ from all eternity, which we shall have world without end.
your a bore sir. You add nothing to the conversations but your childish cheap shots. Go playYour a Provisionist or a Pelagian if you will.
civic
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Says the fatalist, determinist if you will.
Says the guy who does not know what fatalism is, makes up his own definition.
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It’s a synonym with determinist , hence the fatalistic determinist. I have a thread proving it rofl
LOL There is no determinism in fatalism. Hence it's called faith.It’s a synonym with determinist , hence the fatalistic determinist. I have a thread proving it rofl
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As usual I'm correct when it comes to calvinism.LOL There is no determinism in fatalism. Hence it's called faith.
Websters and stanford below affirms this below, the calvinist affirms this with their proof texts here: Prov 16:4 ,1 Peter 2:8 and the WCF also affirms this in the confession. Romans 9 and double predestination also affirms its fatalism by the definition. As we see it makes God unjust.
from Stanford encyclopedia
Though the word “fatalism” is commonly used to refer to an attitude of resignation in the face of some future event or events which are thought to be inevitable, philosophers usually use the word to refer to the view that we are powerless to do anything other than what we actually do. This view may be argued for in various ways: by appeal to logical laws and metaphysical necessities; by appeal to the existence and nature of God; by appeal to causal determinism. When argued for in the first way, it is commonly called “Logical fatalism” (or, in some cases, “Metaphysical fatalism”); when argued for in the second way, it is commonly called “Theological fatalism”.
fatalism noun
fa·tal·ism | \ ˈfā-tə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of fatalism : a doctrine that events are fixed in advance so that human beings are powerless to change them also : a belief in or attitude determined by this doctrine
Fixed by whom or what? Nothing Fatalism is impersonal.As usual I'm correct when it comes to calvinism.
Websters and stanford below affirms this below, the calvinist affirms this with their proof texts here: Prov 16:4 ,1 Peter 2:8 and the WCF also affirms this in the confession. Romans 9 and double predestination also affirms its fatalism by the definition. As we see it makes God unjust.
from Stanford encyclopedia
Though the word “fatalism” is commonly used to refer to an attitude of resignation in the face of some future event or events which are thought to be inevitable, philosophers usually use the word to refer to the view that we are powerless to do anything other than what we actually do. This view may be argued for in various ways: by appeal to logical laws and metaphysical necessities; by appeal to the existence and nature of God; by appeal to causal determinism. When argued for in the first way, it is commonly called “Logical fatalism” (or, in some cases, “Metaphysical fatalism”); when argued for in the second way, it is commonly called “Theological fatalism”.
fatalism noun
fa·tal·ism | \ ˈfā-tə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of fatalism : a doctrine that events are fixed in advance so that human beings are powerless to change them also : a belief in or attitude determined by this doctrine
Was the cross fatalistic?
civic
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MoreLOL There is no determinism in fatalism. Hence it's called faith.
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See synonyms for: fatalism / fatalistic on Thesaurus.com
College Levelnoun
the acceptance of all things and events as inevitable; submission to fate :Her fatalism helped her to face death with stoic calm.
Philosophy. the doctrine that all events are subject to fate or inevitable predetermination.
conclusion: determinism is fatalism/ calvinism
from wiki
The term "fatalism" can refer to any of the following ideas:
- Any view according to which human beingsare powerless to do anything other than what they actually do.[1] Included in this is the belief that humans have no power to influence the future or indeed the outcome of their own actions.[2][3][clarification needed]
- The belief that events are decided by fate and are outside human control
- One such view is theological fatalism, according to which free will is incompatible with the existence of an omniscient God who has foreknowledge of all future events.[4] This is very similar to theological determinism.[a]
- A second such view is logical fatalism, according to which propositions about the future which we take to currently be either true or false can only be true or false if future events are already determined.[1]
- The view that the appropriate reaction to the inevitability of some future event is acceptance or resignation, rather than resistance.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalism#cite_note-8 This view is closer to everyday use of the word "fatalism", and is similar to defeatism.
conclusion: determinism is fatalism/ defeatism/calvinism
civic
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Learn the truth grasshopper it’s undeniably
Though the word “fatalism” is commonly used to refer to an attitude of resignation in the face of some future event or events which are thought to be inevitable, philosophers usually use the word to refer to the view that we are powerless to do anything other than what we actually do. This view may be argued for in various ways: by appeal to logical laws and metaphysical necessities; by appeal to the existence and nature of God; by appeal to causal determinism. When argued for in the first way, it is commonly called “Logical fatalism” (or, in some cases, “Metaphysical fatalism”); when argued for in the second way, it is commonly called “Theological fatalism”.
Though the word “fatalism” is commonly used to refer to an attitude of resignation in the face of some future event or events which are thought to be inevitable, philosophers usually use the word to refer to the view that we are powerless to do anything other than what we actually do. This view may be argued for in various ways: by appeal to logical laws and metaphysical necessities; by appeal to the existence and nature of God; by appeal to causal determinism. When argued for in the first way, it is commonly called “Logical fatalism” (or, in some cases, “Metaphysical fatalism”); when argued for in the second way, it is commonly called “Theological fatalism”.
No. Determinism is not fatalism. Nothing determines anything in fatalism. There is no causation in fatalism. The are similar but not the same.More
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See synonyms for: fatalism / fatalistic on Thesaurus.com
noun
the acceptance of all things and events as inevitable; submission to fate :Her fatalism helped her to face death with stoic calm.
Philosophy. the doctrine that all events are subject to fate or inevitable predetermination.
conclusion: determinism is fatalism/ calvinism
from wiki
The term "fatalism" can refer to any of the following ideas:
- Any view according to which human beingsare powerless to do anything other than what they actually do.[1] Included in this is the belief that humans have no power to influence the future or indeed the outcome of their own actions.[2][3][clarification needed]
- The belief that events are decided by fate and are outside human control
- One such view is theological fatalism, according to which free will is incompatible with the existence of an omniscient God who has foreknowledge of all future events.[4] This is very similar to theological determinism.[a]
- A second such view is logical fatalism, according to which propositions about the future which we take to currently be either true or false can only be true or false if future events are already determined.[1]
- The view that the appropriate reaction to the inevitability of some future event is acceptance or resignation, rather than resistance.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalism#cite_note-8 This view is closer to everyday use of the word "fatalism", and is similar to defeatism.
conclusion: determinism is fatalism/ defeatism/calvinism
Was the cross faralistic? Our resident expert will never answer this question.
Also, your born to die. It's inevitable. Is death fatalistic or is there some prior circumstances that determined it to be so?
Once again, you have no idea what your talking about.
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