His voice?
Sorry but his voice is based upon our belief
and God does not believe for you
When are believers in Christ ?
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Sorry but his voice is based upon our belief
and God does not believe for you
Granted does not means to be infused or transferred. To grant in the biblical context is to enable
Romans 10:9–15 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Sorry but you are in denial
determinism is fatalistic
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fa·tal·ism
[ˈfādlˌizəm]
noun
- the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:
"fatalism can breed indifference to the human costs of war"- a submissive outlook, resulting from a fatalistic attitude:
"he experienced a sense of fatalism that kept his fear at bay"
- a submissive outlook, resulting from a fatalistic attitude:
fatalism
noun
fa·tal·ism ˈfā-tə-ˌli-zəm: a doctrine that events are fixed in advance so that human beings are powerless to change them
Definition of FATALISM
a doctrine that events are fixed in advance so that human beings are powerless to change them; also : a belief in or attitude determined by this doctrine… See the full definition
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Fatalism
First published Wed Dec 18, 2002; substantive revision Thu Feb 23, 2023Though the word “fatalism” is commonly used to refer to an attitude of resignation in the face of some future event or events which are thought to be inevitable, philosophers usually use the word to refer to the view that we are powerless to do anything other than what we actually do. This view may be argued for in various ways: by appeal to logical laws and metaphysical necessities; by appeal to the existence and nature of God; by appeal to causal determinism. When argued for in the first way, it is commonly called “Logical fatalism” (or, in some cases, “Metaphysical fatalism”); when argued for in the second way, it is commonly called “Theological fatalism”. When argued for in the third way it is not now commonly referred to as “fatalism” at all, and such arguments will not be discussed here. (For useful bibliographical information see Todd 2014 [Other Internet Resources].)
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takes Paul's words below
2 Thessalonians 2:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
as from the delusions of the man of sin
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YepSorry but you are in denial
determinism is fatalistic
Dictionary
Data from Oxford Languages
Look it up
fa·tal·ism
[ˈfādlˌizəm]
noun
- the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:
"fatalism can breed indifference to the human costs of war"
- a submissive outlook, resulting from a fatalistic attitude:
"he experienced a sense of fatalism that kept his fear at bay"
fatalism
noun
fa·tal·ism ˈfā-tə-ˌli-zəm
: a doctrine that events are fixed in advance so that human beings are powerless to change them
Definition of FATALISM
a doctrine that events are fixed in advance so that human beings are powerless to change them; also : a belief in or attitude determined by this doctrine… See the full definition
Fatalism
First published Wed Dec 18, 2002; substantive revision Thu Feb 23, 2023
Though the word “fatalism” is commonly used to refer to an attitude of resignation in the face of some future event or events which are thought to be inevitable, philosophers usually use the word to refer to the view that we are powerless to do anything other than what we actually do. This view may be argued for in various ways: by appeal to logical laws and metaphysical necessities; by appeal to the existence and nature of God; by appeal to causal determinism. When argued for in the first way, it is commonly called “Logical fatalism” (or, in some cases, “Metaphysical fatalism”); when argued for in the second way, it is commonly called “Theological fatalism”. When argued for in the third way it is not now commonly referred to as “fatalism” at all, and such arguments will not be discussed here. (For useful bibliographical information see Todd 2014 [Other Internet Resources].)
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
it’s trueThe only thing "stupid" is your continuously-boring ad-nauseum ad-hominem statements.
Have you started your English Comprehension courses yet?
P2 is hearing voices in his head.
Next thing we'll hear from Calvinists is that God also repents for you.
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Yes. I also noticed that @Red Baker derided 2 Th 2:13 as "the delusions of the man of sin". Imagine that.
It's not ad hom of its true. It is. LOLThe only thing "stupid" is your continuously-boring ad-nauseum ad-hominem statements.
Have you started your English Comprehension courses yet?
He does grant repentance right? Do you read the mind of God also?P2 is hearing voices in his head.
Next thing we'll hear from Calvinists is that God also repents for you.
So God chooses you when you choose to believe
Yep Paul is not influenced by or identical to the man of sinYes. I also noticed that @Red Baker derided 2 Th 2:13 as "the delusions of the man of sin". Imagine that.
Next step up from he determines it for you.P2 is hearing voices in his head.
Next thing we'll hear from Calvinists is that God also repents for you.
Nope. Says the Bible NOWHERE
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The fruit of Christlikeness is what our Lord promised His disciples in the allegory of the vine and the branches.
He said: ‘Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.’ John 15:4–5
The fruit spoken of here is not souls won for Christ, but the fruit of Christlikeness (the fruit of the heavenly Vine). Outside of union with Christ by the Spirit, no amount of human striving will produce holiness.
He said: ‘Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.’ John 15:4–5
The fruit spoken of here is not souls won for Christ, but the fruit of Christlikeness (the fruit of the heavenly Vine). Outside of union with Christ by the Spirit, no amount of human striving will produce holiness.
Um this is somewhere
1 Corinthians 1:21 (NASB 2020) — 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
It does not say what you claim it says. Not even close.
NOWHERE does the Bible say God chose you because you chose Him.
Questions for you:
When God saves you, does He choose to save you?
When you believe, do you choose to believe?
