When are believers in Christ ?
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Your fantasy world is not reality. Start living in reality.
A god who refuses to save those who sincerely repent and believe is a pagan god. Psalms 51:17 says that God will not despise a contrite heart. Did you get that? It's time that Calvinists ditched their pagan god.
civic
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Both the god Islam and Calvin are the same theistic determinist, fatalist beings.
Ahh....but your god loves the whole world. What kind of god watches His children burn in hell fire when He could have saved them? That's some god you have invented for yourself. It's time you confess the God of the Bible. Not the fable you have contrived in your mind.
Nope. Determinism is not fatalism.
Absolutely correct. I'm wondering if Calvin was influenced by Islamic thought that was making its way up into Europe from the Ottoman Empire. We know that Calvin was definitely influenced by Augustine. Could it be that the Augustine heresies merged with Islamic heresies in the mind of Calvin?
I wonder I'd a Provisionist crossed paths with Pelagius and adopted his teaching and imported them into Provisionism. Yup, that's what happened.
civic
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Sure it is for anyone having cognitive abilities.
Nope. And one who tries to claim determinism and fatalism are synonymous terms is ignorant. So ignorant it has to be deliberate.
Tell that to your unfortunate non-elect out-of-luck colleagues who are fatalistically determined as such by your pagan god.
Good story except they is no such thing as fatalisticslly determined. LOL GOOD ONETell that to your unfortunate non-elect out-of-luck colleagues who are fatalistically determined as such by your pagan god.
You're barking up the wrong tree again. I see that you don't mind wasting your breath with me if it fulfills your dream world.I wonder I'd a Provisionist crossed paths with Pelagius and adopted his teaching and imported them into Provisionism. Yup, that's what happened.
Your non-elect colleagues are a perfect example of that. Carry on with your refusal to acknowledge facts like that in your land of fantasies and fables.
That's what happened and that's how you ended up Pelagian. It's a shameYou're barking up the wrong tree again. I see that you don't mind wasting your breath with me if it fulfills your dream world.
civic
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So then you agree that "you're barking up the wrong tree again" and "you don't mind wasting your breath with me if it fulfills your dream world" is what happened. That's a good step within the realm of reality.
Just when I thought we were getting somewhere you relapse into dreams and fables world. Too bad.
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Says the guy who says Augustine was influenced by Islam 300 years before Islam existed?So then you agree that "you're barking up the wrong tree again" and "you don't mind wasting your breath with me if it fulfills your dream world" is what happened. That's a good step within the realm of reality.
Just when I thought we were getting somewhere you relapse into dreams and fables world. Too bad.
You are guilty of using hominem logical fallacies.
No one is here to defend Calvinism, (at least I'm not) since Calvinism, strictly speaking, has problems of it own, just as any other doctrines outside of the scriptures.
We are here to defend scriptures, mainly unconditional salvation through the redemptive work of Christ, that he alone secured for God's elect
Prove with scriptures what you assuming. In what way is the Calvinist position on unconditional salvation pure paganism?
Prove with the word of God that Calvinism is pure paganism when it comes to preaching unconditional salvation through the redemptive work of Christ alone, who secured eternal life for God's elect by his obedience and faith ~ acting as their surety before the law of God. For this is the core of their teaching on Soteriology~with some minor differences among them.
Then let me ask you this: Do you believe that a man is not born again, through blood, nor the will of man, nor the will of the flesh?
Or, do you believe there are certain conditions one must do, before they have the gift of eternal life?
In other words~do you believe man has the power to believe on his own without God working in him first?
Do you believe that Jesus Christ died for everyman that has lived, is living, or yet shall live?
I could ask many more, but kept it short and simple. Let us see who you truly are.
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