When did the New Covenant and the Kingdom of God begin?

[jeremiah1five]

Then make sure you travel to Jerusalem at the appointed times of the year and offer the required sacrifices for your sins.

I have a "closet" for that.
When Jesus died and the "[Law] was nailed to His cross" it underwent no change but the born-again 'new man' did. Natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel when they in turn and in time became born again. Saul said, "the Law is spiritual." The Holy SPIRIT is also that Law God promised to put in their (Israel's) inner parts according to Jeremiah. Thus, the Law/Holy Spirit would no longer lead and guide (and command) Israel from without written in stone, but from within written on fleshly tables of the 'heart.' In other words, when Jesus resurrected so did the Law as well for the flesh dies but the spirit lives on and the Law is spiritual, and this was the reason the "letter killeth" but the spirit is eternal. Men who were only flesh died when the Law was applied to their unregenerate lives. But a regenerated, justified new man in Christ is eternal (as in eternal life.)
Justification is the teaching that comes from the Judge applying the Work of Christ to a person who receives the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (Joel) and is declared "Not Guilty!" (of transgressing the Law.)
There is only One Mediator between God and man now just as there was One Mediator between God and man while Israel was under the Law. The high/High priest/Priest.

 

[jeremiah1five]

If you don’t respect God identifying Abraham as a Gentile, a Syrian, then you you are opposed to scripture.


Do you believe Jesus Christ as LORD; YHWH the LORD God?

Scripture please that clearly says "Abraham the/is Gentile."

 

[dwight92070]

Isaiah 42:6 Jesus was and is the New Covenant. To deny that is to deny this verse. And He was and is the Kingdom of God - first He alone was the Kingdom of God, then as He won over disciples, they too became part of the Kingdom of God.

And the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are synonymous. The Kingdom of Heaven is not the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21, although we who are part of the kingdom will go there.

In Matthew 19:23 Jesus refers to the "kingdom of heaven". Then in the next verse, He uses the term "kingdom of God", referring to the same kingdom. This happens in other places as well. So we know they are the same.

 

[JLB]

Scripture please that clearly says "Abraham the/is Gentile."

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8


And you shall answer and say before the LORD your God: ‘My father was a Syrian, about to perish, and he went down to Egypt and dwelt there, few in number; and there he became a nation, great, mighty, and populous.
Deuteronomy 26:5

 

[jeremiah1five]

Isaiah 42:6 Jesus was and is the New Covenant. To deny that is to deny this verse.

6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness,
And will hold thine hand, and will keep thee,
And give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isaiah 42:6.

The LORD calls Israel in righteousness.
He that keepeth thee (Israel) shall never slumber.
It is this covenant with Israel (i.e. "of the people") shall be a light of the Gentiles (the mixed heritage Hebrews living in Gentile lands where God is soon to scatter them - Babylon - but Messiah will come and redeem Israel.)

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and fa new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Ezekiel 36:24–28.

And He was and is the Kingdom of God - first He alone was the Kingdom of God, then as He won over disciples, they too became part of the Kingdom of God.

Jesus IS the kingdom of God.

And the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are synonymous. The Kingdom of Heaven is not the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21, although we who are part of the kingdom will go there.

Jesus, the kingdom of God is different from the kingdom of heaven, and they are NOT the same thing. The kingdom of HEAVEN is New Jerusalem coming down FROM HEAVEN.

In Matthew 19:23 Jesus refers to the "kingdom of heaven". Then in the next verse, He uses the term "kingdom of God", referring to the same kingdom. This happens in other places as well. So we know they are the same.

You need to study this more. You are definitely confused.

 

[jeremiah1five]

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8

The "nations" that shall be blessed are the descendants of Abraham through Abraham (Israel) and the descendants through Ishmael (twelve sons), and Esau, whom Scripture says was very blessed of the Lord.
You ignore the context. Scripture says of Abraham, "in you" meaning his family/seed. "In Abraham" all his family shall be blessed.
And they were.

And you shall answer and say before the LORD your God: ‘My father was a Syrian, about to perish, and he went down to Egypt and dwelt there, few in number; and there he became a nation, great, mighty, and populous.
Deuteronomy 26:5

12 And Jacob fled into the country of Syria,
And Israel [Jacob] served for a wife, and for a wife he kept sheep.
Hosea 12:12.

It says nothing about being a descendant of any Syrian, only that as Abraham fled into Syria, so did Jacob.
David fled to Nob and Gath, where he met with the priest Ahimelech, who provided him with bread and the sword of Goliath (1 Samuel 21:1-9). Does that make David a Nobian or Gathite?
No, it doesn't. Otherwise, you will have to say David was not born a Judean but a Nobia.
You make no cents. Ha!

 

[JLB]

The "nations" that shall be blessed are the descendants of Abraham

So all the ethic groups of the earth are descendants of Abraham?

You getting desperate.

Your theology is twisted bro.

 

[jeremiah1five]

So all the ethic groups of the earth are descendants of Abraham?

You getting desperate.

Your theology is twisted bro.

No.
Anyone who is not born of the bloodline of Eber is a descendant of Ham and Japheth.
But those born from the family of Eber are Hebrew. Abraham and Sarah are Eber's descendants. God calls them "Hebrew." And God has elevated the Hebrew people ABOVE all the families of the earth. And these families are identified as the descendants of Abraham through Ishmael and Esau.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deut 7:6.

Israel is Chosen, special, and holy before the God of Abraham.

 

[JLB]

Anyone who is not born of the bloodline of Eber

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Galatians 3:7

 

[jeremiah1five]

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Galatians 3:7

That's all well and good, but to have faith is not a requirement for Abraham to be in covenant with God. The covenant says nothing about one needs to have faith to be a son of Abraham. God's covenant with Abraham says nothing about needing faith to be in this covenant. The only requirement to be a son of Abraham is to be born from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God says nothing about faith being required in the Abraham Covenant to be a son of Abraham. Nothing at all.

To be a son of Abraham one must be born of Abraham. Faith is not required.

 

[Jim]

That's all well and good, but to have faith is not a requirement for Abraham to be in covenant with God. The covenant says nothing about one needs to have faith to be a son of Abraham. God's covenant with Abraham says nothing about needing faith to be in this covenant. The only requirement to be a son of Abraham is to be born from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God says nothing about faith being required in the Abraham Covenant to be a son of Abraham. Nothing at all.

To be a son of Abraham one must be born of Abraham. Faith is not required.

The covenant with Abraham was about his descendants, but it was not a covenant with his descendants. Rather, it was a covenant only with Abraham. Any covenant with his descendants was and is another covenant.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The covenant with Abraham was about his descendants, but it was not a covenant with his descendants. Rather, it was a covenant only with Abraham. Any covenant with his descendants was and is another covenant.

Incorrect.

If the covenant is only between God and Abram, then from Isaac until God makes a new covenant with the children of Israel, they are not under covenant despite their obedience of being circumcised and they are not covered under the Law, especially the atonement that comes with the Law. Wherever you read that from is boo-boo.

Notice the language:

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Genesis 17:7.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. Genesis 17:8–9.

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. Genesis 17:10.

13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. Genesis 17:13.

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. Genesis 17:19.

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. Genesis 17:21.

By repeating Himself God is ensuring that Abram understand the blessings that accompany this covenant passes to each succeeding generation until Christ comes to fulfill the covenant by kicking out of the Promised Land every non-Hebrew Gentile and placing every Hebrew/Jew into the land as promised.

And in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts. Zechariah 14:21.

Finally, Abram and his seed possess the land without Gentiles to sully it with their presence. The only people to live in this land will be a kingdom of priests for it will be a holy nation before the Lord of Hosts.

God does this repeating of Himself because sometimes God's people need to have it repeated to sink down into their stubborn minds. God does this repeating again several times in the gospel when He declares Judas as being "one of the twelve" thus establishing Judas as a true disciple and elect apostle of the Lord possessing eternal life along with the other eleven disciples. God knew Judas' act would garner to himself an infamous reputation by betraying His Lord to the religious leaders. But sadly, God's repeating Himself to certain individuals goes in one ear and out the other. Many Christians send Judas to "hell" and then turn to pray for their unsaved mother, daughter, wives, etc. A serious contradiction that Jesus died for their salvation while they deny it to Judas despite Jesus at the Passover meal saying, "I give my body [and blood] for you" while the twelve sat at supper. Disgusting.

 

[Jim]

Incorrect.

If the covenant is only between God and Abram, then from Isaac until God makes a new covenant with the children of Israel, they are not under covenant despite their obedience of being circumcised and they are not covered under the Law, especially the atonement that comes with the Law. Wherever you read that from is boo-boo.

Notice the language:

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Genesis 17:7.

And God indeed did establish His covenant with Abraham and they seed. But I do not think that was the same covenant as the Abrahamic covenant. As indicated, that was yet future. As I said, the Abrahamic covenant was about Abraham's descendants, but the Abrahamic covenant was not between God and the descendants.

 

[jeremiah1five]

And God indeed did establish His covenant with Abraham and they seed. But I do not think that was the same covenant as the Abrahamic covenant. As indicated, that was yet future. As I said, the Abrahamic covenant was about Abraham's descendants, but the Abrahamic covenant was not between God and the descendants.

It clearly says, "and your seed."
Case closed.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all who are of Christ, Blessing. to the rest .... hope you well.
addressing the TOPIC, "When did the New Covenant and the Kingdom of God begin?", A. WHEN? upon the death of the TESTATOR. scripture, Hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator." Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."

B. When the Kingdom of God began. scripture, the foretelling. Luke 17:20 "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:" Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

Shall be in you?, yes, future tense, just as Luke 17:21 above clearly states. so, WHEN then in the future? answer, on the day of Pentecost.Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." Acts 2:2 "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting." Acts 2:3 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them." Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

there is the INDWELLING, or as our brother Luke recorded, " Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

GINOLJC, to all who are of Christ, Blessing. to the rest .... hope you well.
addressing the TOPIC, "When did the New Covenant and the Kingdom of God begin?", A. WHEN? upon the death of the TESTATOR. scripture, Hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator." Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."

B. When the Kingdom of God began. scripture, the foretelling. Luke 17:20 "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:" Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

Shall be in you?, yes, future tense, just as Luke 17:21 above clearly states. so, WHEN then in the future? answer, on the day of Pentecost.Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." Acts 2:2 "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting." Acts 2:3 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them." Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

there is the INDWELLING, or as our brother Luke recorded, " Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

101G.

You're all over the map. Stay on subject. You've never been discipled, have you.

 

[101G]

You're all over the map. Stay on subject. You've never been discipled, have you.

All over the map? is this not what God the "LORD" say to do? LISTEN and learn, Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

get off the Similac.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

All over the map? is this not what God the "LORD" say to do? LISTEN and learn, Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

get off the Similac.

101G.

Coke Zero.

 

[101G]

Coke Zero.

(smile), is it good for you? now try Jesus Christ 100. grow up in Christ JESUS. LISTEN, Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

get off the Similac milk and off the breast also. grow some teeth.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

(smile), is it good for you? now try Jesus Christ 100. grow up in Christ JESUS. LISTEN, Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

get off the Similac milk and off the breast also. grow some teeth.

101G.

Why have you fallen for the teaching the Word of God is either milk or meat? The Word of God is nutritious, and it is neither milk nor meat. The Holy Spirit only allows a person to grasp and understand what He wants them to understand. God opens the eyes, the ears, the mind, etc., as well as closes these attributes in man. Some brethren can hear a teaching on the Doctrines of Grace once and understand completely the finer points, while another brother needs to hear it several times. Like you. You need to be discipled, but I doubt you will ask God to bring a woman of God into your life, and you live with her to be taught as the bible teaches true discipleship is supposed to be. Me, I did live with my teacher in the 80s and learned one thing above others - even above doctrine: OBEDIENCE. But not everyone is the same.