What is the New Covenant?
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We do have translations older than the KJV .
e v e
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yes, i mentioned septuagint.. that was related to pagan ptolemy ii.
e v e
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ptolemy ii's corrupt septuagint
was the bible used,
before and during and after Christ was on earth,
regardless of modern finds
... and in it are mixed together What God said
And what esau corrupted by adding, removing, rearranging, editing....
read the Aristeas letter, quoted below just one small detail...
to learn about the translation of what became the septuagint and their admitted intent to alter and improve the words !!!! Here from page 21 (archive org pdf), of the Aristeas letter, this proposal submitted after buttering up the hebrews by freeing some of them to obtain sympathy.... (notes in red plus bolding mine.)
"To the great king [a statement submitted] by Demetrius. In 29 obedience to thy order, O king, concerning the books that are wanting to complete the library (of Alexandria), that these should be added to the collection, and that those which have been lost should be duly replaced, after making careful inquiry into these matters, I refer the following statement to thee.
"Certain books of the Jewish law with some few others are wanting; 30 for these are composed in Hebrew letters and in the Hebrew tongue, but have been interpreted somewhat carelessly (!!!!) and not according to their true meaning (how would heathens know? what???) , according to information supplied by the experts (not anyone sent by God!) , because they have not hitherto received the supervision of royalty." (pagan ptolemy ii!!!)
And how is that Pagan 'royalty' ptolemy ii equipped to even begin to understand what God said? Certainly not God informed ptolemy ii of squat, nor his pompous experts. Rather, Demetrius proceeds as if it makes perfect sense that mystery babylon determine what God really said!
was the bible used,
before and during and after Christ was on earth,
regardless of modern finds
... and in it are mixed together What God said
And what esau corrupted by adding, removing, rearranging, editing....
read the Aristeas letter, quoted below just one small detail...
to learn about the translation of what became the septuagint and their admitted intent to alter and improve the words !!!! Here from page 21 (archive org pdf), of the Aristeas letter, this proposal submitted after buttering up the hebrews by freeing some of them to obtain sympathy.... (notes in red plus bolding mine.)
"To the great king [a statement submitted] by Demetrius. In 29 obedience to thy order, O king, concerning the books that are wanting to complete the library (of Alexandria), that these should be added to the collection, and that those which have been lost should be duly replaced, after making careful inquiry into these matters, I refer the following statement to thee.
"Certain books of the Jewish law with some few others are wanting; 30 for these are composed in Hebrew letters and in the Hebrew tongue, but have been interpreted somewhat carelessly (!!!!) and not according to their true meaning (how would heathens know? what???) , according to information supplied by the experts (not anyone sent by God!) , because they have not hitherto received the supervision of royalty." (pagan ptolemy ii!!!)
And how is that Pagan 'royalty' ptolemy ii equipped to even begin to understand what God said? Certainly not God informed ptolemy ii of squat, nor his pompous experts. Rather, Demetrius proceeds as if it makes perfect sense that mystery babylon determine what God really said!
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Wick Stick
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It says Law AND Prophets. The Prophets aren't part of the Mosaic covenant.
But in any case, "fulfill" doesn't mean "get rid of."
I agree with all this, but I would add that the other prophets add more detail. Particularly Ezekiel.
You seem to be trying hard to put a difference between Israel and Gentiles. But the way Jeremiah's New Covenant was accomplished was by taking a bunch of Gentiles and adopting them to become Israelites.
jeremiah1five
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Au Contraire, Mr. Wick Stick. The prophets operated (prophesied) while being part of the Mosaic Covenant, which covenant was superseded by the New Covenant when the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL began with the Holy Spirit's advent in Acts 2.
Correct-o-mundo. By fulfilling the Law of Moses, specifically the Ceremonial Law aspect of the Mosaic Covenant, and in having the Law nailed to His cross means that Jesus is the "end of the Law for righteousness" and since the Law was type and shadow of the Holy Spirit, what was once used as guidance written on stone for the children of Israel to follow and obey, the Law God promised to "put in the inward parts" of the children of Israel meant that the Holy Spirit "in you" is THAT Law God promised to put in the "inward parts" of Israel to lead and guide them as before but from within.
Correct-o-mundo again.
The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah is found in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and there is no mention or naming of non-Hebrew Gentiles in this covenant. The New Covenant in this passage is between God and the House of Israel (ten tribes of the northern kingdom), and the House of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.) There is no mention or inclusion in this prophecy of non-Hebrew Gentiles included in this covenant as the text records the New Covenant. The New Covenant is founded in Jesus' sacrifice which was done under the Law. Since there is no mechanism in the New Covenant by which God is able to "forgive Israel [her sins] and to remember then NO MORE", the only possible explanation is that God used the Mosaic Law - especially the Ceremonial Law - through which substitutionary sacrifice was instructed and commanded by God through which He is able to fulfill Jeremiah's prophecy of "forgiving Israel and remembering [her] sins no more." As I have said before, the New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ on His cross at Calvary. Saul makes this clear in his Galatian letter to Jews and Jewish Christians in Galatian region:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we [JEWS] might receive the adoption of sons. Galatian 4:3–5.
Saul also makes this clear that the Galatian letter was written to Jews and Jewish Christians living in the Galatian region (Galatians is considered a 'circular' letter, meaning it was shared among Jews in this region.)
23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed (the Holy Spirit IS that 'faith.')
24 Wherefore the law was our [Jews] schoolmaster to bring us [JEWS] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith. Galatians 3:22–24.
Also:
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek ("hellens" = Greek speaking Jews), there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [JEWS] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [JEWS] be Christ’s, then are ye [still JEWS] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:28–29.
Jews living in Gentile lands, specifically here in the Galatian region, were concerned that by following Jesus if this affected their standing in the Abraham Covenant. Saul tells them it does not as verse 29 makes clear to these concerned Jews. Gentiles were NEVER included in the Abraham Covenant.
The bottom line is that there is no record or Scripture in the Old Testament of a covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. And if there is no Old Testament precedence, then there can be no New Testament reality, and the teaching which has been regurgitated through two millennium that non-Hebrew Gentiles are saved, or being saved, or that they are included in any of the three major salvation Hebrew covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, and New), is a teaching that is not Bible but a mistranslated and misinterpreted teaching that has no Biblical evidence and is an addition (adding) to the Bible things not contained in the Old Testament record.
Jesus instituted the New Covenant in His blood at His last Passover. There were twelve disciples each representing the twelve tribes of Israel and Jesus' statement that His blood is shed "for you" means that His sacrifice as substitute for the animal sacrifice which was done to atone yearly for the sins of Israel as instructed and commanded under the Law by God, means that Jesus' sacrifice was made under the Law to atone finally and eternally the sins of the children of Israel going all the way back to Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13.) "It is finished!"
Wick Stick
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The Mosaic covenant was primarily there to PUNISH the Israelites and TEACH them to behave better. The whole point of Jeremiah calling for a New Covenant is that the Old one stunk. It didn't actually deal with the problem of sinning. Admittedly, there was (is) a problem with the Jews holding onto their penalty and calling it salvation. But that's a problem, not a feature.
Jeremiah doesn't name them, but if you check history, I think you'll find that the northern House of Israel did not exist at the time of Jeremiah or Ezekiel. The punishment for their apostasy was death, and they had died - they were bones with no breath (Eze 37). They were LoAmmi - not a people, per Hosea.
That said, Jeremiah's prophecy here requires Israel to be resurrected from the dead to come to pass. Ezekiel specifically calls for their resurrection. So, HOW was Israel resurrected?
Adoption. A bunch of Gentiles, though not named here by Jeremiah, were adopted and BECAME Israelites - the new House of Israel.
The Law stopped applying to the House of Israel when they died. Their covenant ended when they died, as covenants are always 'til death do us part.'
Moreover, when Israel was resurrected, it wasn't under Moses' Law. Those who were baptized into Israel were instead ingrafted under Abraham's covenant - the fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham to make him a "father of Goyim." (Gen 15)
The House of Judah, who did not die, continued under Moses' Law. So it was necessary for Jesus to die on their behalf.
But once the penalty was paid, they weren't meant to continue bearing the weight of the penalties installed by Moses. That's why Jesus and the apostles began baptizing Jews, effectively taking them OUT of Judah, and re-installing them under Abraham's covenant. This is the fulfillment of Jeremiah 31 - the House of Judah re-attached and combined with the resurrected House of Israel.
There doesn't need to be.
God made a way for Gentiles to BECOME children of Abraham. When that happens, they cease to be Gentiles, and become part of Israel, to which pertain all the promises of Abraham...
...and none of the penalties of Moses.
e v e
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hebrews of Him in the OT are eden souls
..christians (excluding wolves in sheep's clothing) are eden souls.
the other kind are those not of Him
but of the evil realm.
It's not about flesh bodies not by God.
it's about a soul and if it is of eden
and His eden tribes in the other reality.
..christians (excluding wolves in sheep's clothing) are eden souls.
the other kind are those not of Him
but of the evil realm.
It's not about flesh bodies not by God.
it's about a soul and if it is of eden
and His eden tribes in the other reality.
jeremiah1five
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The Mosaic Covenant was given in three parts to the children of Israel. The Social Laws to guide their lives and interaction among the twelve tribes; the Moral Law to guide their behaviors to the twelve tribes and God; the Ceremonial Laws to guide the children of Israel in their worship of God which included substitutionary sacrifice of animals to atone yearly the sins of the twelve tribes of Israel until God would get involved and send His own Son in place of the sacrificed animal to atone finally and eternally the sins of the children of Israel. For obedience there was blessing, for disobedience there was curse. Same thing exists in Biblical Christianity.
The one thing about every common descendant of Jacob (Israel) was that without the Holy Spirit of Promise there was no individual spiritual enlightenment or illumination and so they were left with an understanding of the letter of the Law. This was the whole crux of the religious leaders at first taking issue with what Jesus taught for He taught the Law and the Prophets from a spiritual perspective, a perspective that when the Holy Spirit was finally sent to Israel as promised by God by Joel, then with the Spirit within them they could now understand the Law - which was spiritual - from a spiritual understanding. In time Acts 6:7 states that a "great company of priests were obedient to the Word of God" (became born-again) and the "times of refreshing" were upon Israel. There were no problems with the covenants God made with Abram the Hebrew and his biological seed. There were no problems with the Mosaic Covenant and the Word of God there either. Not one Jew before the advent of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 had full understanding of Jesus' teachings of the Law and the Prophets. But after He was sent to Israel and Jews began to become born-again of the Spirit then as Jesus said, He spoke plainly to His people.
There were no problems with God's Word of the Hebrew writings of the Old Testament. The problem was in men. While men were still in bondage to sin there was no way for them to be free until Jesus had to free them - which He did on His cross - and then the way to God was opened to every Hebrew in covenant with God. The day of the advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (He was never promised to non-Hebrew Gentiles), three thousand Jews were born-again of the Spirit and saved. Every day after that many thousands more became born-again and turned to God. Once they were converted to God through Christ the building of the Church Jesus promised in the gospels was begun and God populated His Church with Jews. The Jewish Church was both physical and spiritual in nature. It was a reference to the "Great Congregation" of Jews who lived in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle and Moses as Solomon and others mentioned:
18 I will give thee thanks in the great congregation:
I will praise thee among much people.
Psalms 35:18.
8 Also at the same time Solomon kept the feast seven days, and all Israel with him, a very great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt. 2 Chronicles 7: 8.
1 Now when Ezra had prayed, and when he had confessed, weeping and casting himself down before the house of God, there assembled unto him out of Israel a very great congregation of men and women and children: for the people wept very sore. Ezra 10:1.
65 And at that time Solomon held a feast, and all Israel with him, a great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt, before the LORD our God, seven days and seven days, even fourteen days. 1 Kings 8:65.
With the advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL by Joel, natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel and the "Great Congregation" of the Old Testament became the Born-again Church of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
That is entirely incorrect. The ten northern kingdom tribes that fell against the Assyrians in 722 BC did not "disappear." They were scattered and taken back to Assyria as captives. They remained there until the rise of Babylon who defeated the Assyrians and what was once Assyrian captives became Babylon's captives along with the two southern kingdom tribes who also fell in war to the Babylonian war machine in 586 BC. So, the twelve tribes survived both onslaughts by each attacker and by the time Jesus arrived on the scene the twelve tribes were still existing and living in Israel as a "remnant" while the majority of Jews (approx. 2 million) remained in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture. From the first "taking away" of the Jews to both Assyria and Babylon until Jesus came on the scene about 29-35 generations of Jews were born in Gentile lands who became so assimilated into Greek culture that without a Temple they had to practice their religion centered on their calendar and their feasts.
The ten northern kingdom tribes called Israel and the two southern kingdom tribes called Judah were present in Jerusalem when Peter gave his sermon as the text reveals:
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea (two southern kingdom tribes), and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: Acts 2:14.
22 Ye men of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes), hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Acts 2:22.
God had a message and 'good news' (gospel) to report to the twelve tribes of Israel in Israel and those Jews living in Gentile lands and it was this: "God has kept His promise." This was the message Jesus gave to His eleven disciples in Acts 1: 8 when He sent them to the four cardinal points of the compass from the Mount of Olives:
and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem (west), and in all Judaea (south), and in Samaria (north), and unto the uttermost part of the earth (east). Acts 1: 8.
Sadly, by the time of Stephen's death in Acts 7 the disciples were still found in Jerusalem and even persecution could not budge them to go into Gentile lands where the majority of Jews lived to tell them God has kept His promise to send that "prophet like unto Moses" (Deut. 18:15, 18.) And so, through persecution, it was the common folk who were born-again that took that message of Israel's Messiah and King to Jews in Gentile lands. It was the born-again Jews and Jewish Christians who after the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) returned to their homes and synagogues with an outline of Peter's sermon, their experience in the Holy Spirit, and testimony of Jesus that witnessed to their fellow Jews upon their return to Galatia, Ephesus, Corinth, Philippi, etc.
The persecution of Acts 7 was not enough to push the eleven apostles to obey their Lord and take His message to Jews living in majority in Gentile lands. After 5-8 years after Jesus' ascension the disciples were STILL in Jerusalem disobedient to Jesus' command of Acts 1: 8.
So, your belief that the ten tribes and the two tribes didn't "exist" is an error.
If Gentiles are "not named" in Jeremiah's prophecy of a New Covenant then they are not there in the prophecy and you can't add to the Bible things not there in the Word of God. Adding to God's Words things that He did not say is a sin.
6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.
And since God had divorced Israel, He adopted them instead. The New Covenant initiated in the blood of Christ at His last Passover, and inaugurated by the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 was the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy to the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:31.
As you can (hopefully) see, the New Covenant does not include non-Hebrew Gentiles.
God's Word is eternal as is His promises. You are entirely wrong that the House of Israel and Judah had died. Peter spoke to the twelve tribes of Israel in his sermon in Acts 2, and later, James writes to the "twelve tribes scattered" in his letter to Jews living in Gentile lands where God Himself scattered them, not destroyed them:
1 JAMES, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting
James 1:1.
You are completely wrong on this point.
Again.
Non-Hebrew Gentiles were born out of Ham and Japheth, not Abram who was Hebrew (from the family of Eber.)
Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) married his half-sister. She was also from the family of Eber and was Hebrew through and through. Their son, Isaac, was born Hebrew from two Hebrew parents (Abraham and Sarah.) The same with Jacob, who was also born of two Hebrew parents. You should take a closer look at the genealogies of the patriarchs in Genesis. A non-Hebrew Gentile cannot be born from two Hebrew parents. You are wrong on this point also.
Jesus did nothing of the sort. Jesus wasn't "taking out" anyone from the House of Judah, He was ADDING.
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:47.
Whoever you are getting your wild and fantastical claims is giving you 'boo boo' as a teaching. And if this is coming out of your own studies, I suggest you forgo the commentaries and theology books and study under the anointing with a good translation, preferably the KJV, to come to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus Christ is not replacing or "taking anyone out", He is adding to His Church and those He's adding are Jews.
First, God does not save Gentiles. Second, when a Jew becomes born-again, they remain in the tribe they were born in, not get "taken out" and not being replaced, The Church of Jesus Christ He promised to build is populated by Jews. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles included in the Abrahamic Covenant nor are they included in the Mosaic Covenant. And there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles included in the New Covenant either. The Hebrew Scripture of the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets are Hebrew writings by Hebrew authors written to and for the Hebrew people. None of the 39 "books" of the Old Testament are written to Gentiles. This is God's attitude towards non-Hebrew Gentiles that live in the Gentile nations:
17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.
The non-Hebrew nations of the world are enemies of God and will suffer a great death in Revelation 20:
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
Revelation 20:7–9.
According to Zechariah when Christ returns, He fulfill the promise of God to give Abraham the land God promised him in Genesis 15. And according to this promise there will be no non-Hebrew Gentiles living in this Promised Land but will occupy everything outside the Promised Land as proven in Revelation 20 above. The nations of the non-Hebrew Gentile world are enemies of God and Israel:
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:15.
"Love not the world (unbelievers), neither the things in the world" was and has always been the command of God to Israel. Israel was commanded to not "mingle with the goy/goyim nor learn THEIR ways - even if it was God Himself who scattered the Jews into the Gentile (goyim) lands as He did with the Assyrian Conquest of the ten northern kingdom tribes, and the Babylonian Conquest of the two remaining southern kingdom tribes. The prophecies of those God sent to Israel to warn them of impending doom and separation from out of their land was sent to both kingdoms by the prophets, but the northern kingdom especially was evil and had evil kings after Solomon died. The more obedient kingdom of Judah lasted longer but they also succumbed to the will of God and were scattered into Gentile lands (Assyria and Babylon.)
You are wrong on this point, again.
brightfame52
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That includes some Gentiles as His people Rom 15:10
And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
jeremiah1five
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Rejoicing does not mean Gentiles are in covenant with God. Actually, there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, and New.)
None.
The three Hebrew covenants are covenants between God and Abram the Hebrew and Abram's Hebrew seed.
There are NO GENTILES in any of the three Hebrew covenants.
None. You are adding to the Bible.
brightfame52
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They are God's people so they are in Covenant with Him through Christ, that's the only way to be in New Covenant, through Christ
Wick Stick
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No, I'm accurate. The Assyrians destruction of Israel was ordained by God as punishment, and it included all the survivors being cut off from Israel.
Isaiah 10:5 Woe to Assyria, the rod of my anger; the staff in their hands is my fury! 6 Against a godless nation I send him, and against the people of my wrath I command him, to take spoil and seize plunder, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. 7 But he does not so intend, and his heart does not so think; but it is in his heart to destroy, and to cut off nations not a few;
Jeremiah calls it a divorce:
Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Ezekiel calls it death:
Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Ezekiel helpfully defines this metaphorical death as being "cut off for our parts," which ends up being theologically important to understanding the New Testament.
The captives are greatly overstated by pastors and theologians. Only 27,290 people were taken captive, all of them came from the tribe of Ephraim, and they completely disappear from history other than the inscription made by Sargon II from which the above number is taken.
Yes, Babylon rose and Assyria fell. But I know of no historical attestation to the idea that they took over their prisoners. Also, those prisoners only represent a single tribe. So... what's your source, here?
Israel did not survive their divorce/execution. To claim otherwise is to contradict the prophets (and recorded history).
However, the primary fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy of the resurrection of Israel did happen in the days of Ezra, which brought Israel back into existence.
e v e
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cush of course did receive through jeremiah
assyria being adam's 'throne'
in mystery babylon after
betraying God...
so, not on this earth,
which is a mirror
therefore this passage appears corrupt and
perhaps retranslate it
that said, the line is corrupt ...
which HE warned adam off..
see Daniels oven
though it has totally been misinterpreted...
but after the fall, we went through daniels oven
..which is the demon nations cutting up up
and sending us to this earth, ref. hieroglyphs
gleefully recount how they hate us
and how adam devised to
remove the threat to himself
which was the threat of God's sons to him
His flock imprisoned in Mystery Babylon.
any other reference on this earth is a mirror
or else, invented by esau
and, that adam did not die... and that the scroll
was corrupted, this will not make sense
earth after the fall, which, God will undo
and no one will remember
who will be returned to Him
in Eden paradise in the other reality
Just as Christ returned to His Original
(resurrection body being our Original
body made by God)
so will the 144k be reunited to our
Original glorious body made by God..
It has not happened yet
if you are in this flesh body
on this earth....
this happens in the other reality,
assyria being adam's 'throne'
in mystery babylon after
betraying God...
so, not on this earth,
which is a mirror
nations always refer to the demon nations,
therefore this passage appears corrupt and
perhaps retranslate it
yes, eve will divorce adam --- finally
that said, the line is corrupt ...
yes, this current place we are is DEATH
which HE warned adam off..
this is never about eden souls since eden has no 'bones'
we were indeed cut up,
see Daniels oven
though it has totally been misinterpreted...
but after the fall, we went through daniels oven
..which is the demon nations cutting up up
and sending us to this earth, ref. hieroglyphs
gleefully recount how they hate us
and how adam devised to
remove the threat to himself
which was the threat of God's sons to him
the captives are our Originals in the other reality,
His flock imprisoned in Mystery Babylon.
any other reference on this earth is a mirror
or else, invented by esau
without understanding the regions of the other reality,
and, that adam did not die... and that the scroll
was corrupted, this will not make sense
divorce is only a mirror of eve divorcing adam (soon)
fallen history which is simply the history on this
earth after the fall, which, God will undo
and no one will remember
the resurrection will be of His 144000
who will be returned to Him
in Eden paradise in the other reality
Just as Christ returned to His Original
(resurrection body being our Original
body made by God)
so will the 144k be reunited to our
Original glorious body made by God..
It has not happened yet
if you are in this flesh body
on this earth....
e v e
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yes, the corrupt septuagint.
see here, plus the attachment from 200 bc
right below what i posted.. the embed
places on an excerpt , to see the screen
shot from the text I am discussing,
click the title....
e v e
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and here is the screenshot
Wick Stick
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