brightfame52
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No it's not. What is relevant is the word of God and not the feelings of men
What is the New Covenant?
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FreeInChrist
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you are not going to understand because you belive opposite from me... but I shall try.
Ai says....This suggests that through God's grace, Gentiles (non-Jews) have been included in His blessings, represented by the olive tree, while those who have fallen away (like some of the Israelites) may not return unless they believe. It emphasizes the importance of faith and God's mercy in the process of salvation.
Romans 11: 11-31 Berean Standard Bible
The Ingrafting of the Gentiles
11 I ask then, did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Certainly not! However, because of their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel jealous. @brightfame52 .. Do you understand the meaning of this simple scripture?It means that if the chosen (make no mistake for they were) had not fallen you and I would not be here discussing this today. Jesus was "sent" (by His Father) for the lost lambs of Israel.... Jesus sent the 12 out to preach and teach theJJews... and to avoid the gentiles and Samaritans....If you just could get this truth living in your mind all else is far easier to understand>
12 But if their trespass means riches for the world, and their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring! @brightfame52 " and their failure means riches for the Gentiles" For if they had no failure
we would not be doing this today.
13 I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry
14 in the hope that I may provoke my own people to jealousy and save some of them. @brightfame52 In otherwords... they were looking for a way to bring some of those sheep home.
15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? @brightfame52 if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world,. Again, if they had followed God as sthey should have with all that he had done for them... we would not be here today. We only are because they rejected God.
16 If the first part of the dough is holy, so is the whole batch; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 Now if some branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others to share in the nourishment of the olive root, @brightfame52 ... this is where we... who were considered wild..were grafted in
18 do not boast over those branches. If you do, remember this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” @brightfame52 .. WE WERE grafted in because branches were broken off.
20 That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid
@ brightfame... . It was their unbelief that allowed us to be grafted in. but be afraid.... is a warning
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either. @brightfame52 .. if we do not
keep vigilant in our faith we too will be gone
22 Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if you were cut from a wild olive tree, and contrary to nature were grafted into one that is cultivated, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part hascome to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.
27 And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
28 Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs.
29 For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
30 Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience,
31 so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you.
brightfame52
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In the promise to save Israel in Isa 45:17 Gentiles are included in that Israel, it's not the ethnic nation of Israel in view here. It's the Church the Body of Christ
FreeInChrist
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Which answer are you thinking of? Scholars have several competing theories, and the orthodox Jewish answer doesn't correspond to any of them.
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