What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?
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charismaticlady
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That would only be true for those IN Jesus but still sinners. All Gentiles during the GT who never chose Jesus God will send a strong delusion on them for them to choose the Antichrist, 2 Thess. 2:8-12
But those that need to "overcome" in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 will go into the GT and will be those who are martyred. Thyatira, Sardis and Laodecia. Philadelphians will be protected by God.
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Dizerner
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Johann
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I think there is a strong aversion to Dispentational teachings brother-there's a question I want to ask you-but not here.
Johann.
Johann
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Sarcasm-unbefitting a Christian Forum-some are here to learn and be edified.
Dizerner
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Did you know God in the Bible was often sarcastic?
I'd bet you report God to the moderators.
Wouldn't you.
Nevertheless I must journey today, tomorrow, and the day following;
for it cannot be that a prophet should perish outside of Jerusalem. (Lk. 13:33 NKJ)
Or how about:
It cannot be that Christian would be unjustly rebuked outside of a Christian forum?!
charismaticlady
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Since the Left-Behind series, a lot of Christians believe fiction over the word of God. I'll use anything as a pitching off place to teach.
The Rogue Tomato
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The opinion of many on this board is, "All are called, but few choose correctly."
Dizerner
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And you think God calls many but only chooses a few.
Poor God calling all those people he fails to get an answer to.
DavidTree
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If i were you i would repent from denying the Truth of God's word.
You indeed are a teacher but not from the Holy Spirit.
Did the Holy Spirit open your eyes to the scriptures i posted for you since they speak of current and ongoing Truth?
According to your previous posts you claimed that the word "gave" is past tense and therefore those scriptures do not apply to you.
The Rogue Tomato
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Yes, because it's almost like it's written somewhere.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
I take scripture for what it says. I try not to run it through any personal philosophical perspective, like, "what would that REALLY mean if God is love"?
Grace ambassador
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I will be glad to answer over on the C - Board.
Dizerner
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It's more problematic for your position than mine.
It's not like "all" isn't "many," is it.
Yeah, right.
The whole basis of objection for Calvinism is that they don't like God "letting" people be lost.
That's a philosophical and emotional objection, not a Biblical one.
civic
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So when God calls someone there as n refuse to come that’s fantastic. Throw irresistible grace out the window.
Romans 8- And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose
hope thus helps !!!
Grace ambassador
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Off-topic again and again just encourages @Johann to "go Elsewhere" = no edification, eh?
Frank Russell
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Many were prophets, few were like Ezekiel, only one was like Moses.
Many are called by God according to His purposes, few are like the first generation saints, there were really only 12 apostles and then Paul, nobody is like them.
charismaticlady
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If John 6 I answered you on that. John again uses a derivative of the word "gave" and only the apostles did not leave Jesus. That should warn you that not everyone in the church is OSAS. That teaching which is only for the chosen offices should not even be taught. It affects only a few in the church.
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charismaticlady
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That must have been someone else because I never mentioned anything being "past tense" in this thread. I spoke of John's use of "key words" in his writings that indicate something important.
DavidTree
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These are your words:
"Exactly. Many are called, few are chosen.
It is not just the apostles, there are other offices also in Ephesians 4. Notice the word "gave."
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,"
According to your own words from post #108 = "gave" and "given" are past tense and therefore those scriptures do not apply to you.
Here are your own words again:
"Did you know that the verses you were quoting in John 17 is a prayer to the Father about His apostles. John uses key words in his writings.
The key word about the disciples is the word "given" of "gave."
As in Ephesians 1 we see that verses 1-12 is again about the apostles as , those who first believed. Now going back to John look at chapter 10. See the key word given again? It is they that are never going to be snatched out of God's hand, because the were "given" to Jesus by the Father. "29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
The western church doesn't always understand eastern writing styles."
@charismaticlady says: "Verse 20-26 was after His prayer for the apostles, then after that, He went back to praying for the apostles from 24 down.
The point is the word "gave" or "given" was not used in speaking of those who will believe in Me through their word."
By your own words then, Ephesians does not apply to you since "gave" is past tense.
As of right now your 'advanced' knowledge is tainted with confusion and denial along with manipulation.
God is not the author of confusion so you are in need of fellowship in the Holy Spirit because HE will never lie nor confuse us.
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