101G
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do you read at all? please re-read... no READ my post #296.
then get back to 101G. thanks in advance,
101G
What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?
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then get back to 101G. thanks in advance,
101G
As I stated Don't run from the text
1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17–18 (LLEIV) — 17 Deinde nos, qui vivimus, qui relinquimur, simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Christo in aëra, et sic semper cum Domino erimus. 18 Itaque consolamini invicem in verbis istis.
rapiemur from which we get rapture in english
101G
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so we can take this as you cannot respond. for it exposes your false rapture theory.... good day.
101G.
Only if you are not interested in truth and want to believe a falsehood
As I stated Don't run from the text
1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The Latin translation
1 Thessalonians 4:17–18 (LLEIV) — 17 Deinde nos, qui vivimus, qui relinquimur, simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Christo in aëra, et sic semper cum Domino erimus. 18 Itaque consolamini invicem in verbis istis.
rapiemur (root word rapio) from which we get rapture in english
That is the totality of what I stated about the rapture
Any other ideas you try to pour into it are simply additions to what I stated
BTW less you remain ignorant
In Acts 8:39 the latin reads rapio the same root word which appears in 1Th 4:15
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101G
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As i stated
Only if you are not interested in truth and want to believe a falsehood
As I stated Don't run from the text
1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The Latin translation
1 Thessalonians 4:17–18 (LLEIV) — 17 Deinde nos, qui vivimus, qui relinquimur, simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Christo in aëra, et sic semper cum Domino erimus. 18 Itaque consolamini invicem in verbis istis.
rapiemur (root word rapio) from which we get rapture in english
That is the totality of what I stated about the rapture
Any other ideas you try to pour into it are simply additions to what I stated
BTW less you remain ignorant
In Acts 8:39 the latin reads rapio the same root word which appears in 1Th 4:15
101G
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you did not read, did you? no. for if you did you would have known that any rapture was a false notion of deception, again, the same word used for Caught up in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is the same word used in Acts 8:39 when Philiip was " caught away". "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing." but Philip was found at Azotus, meaning he was only TRANSPORTED from one place to another, and did not leave the earth. just as Elijah, and Enoch.
so your rapture theory is a false deception. you, the church is not going to heaven, now or in the future......
so, good day, no need to respond.
101G.
The only theory I put foward is from 1 th 4:15
1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 (NASB 2020) — 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
where caught up is rapio in the latin from which we get rapture
That is a proven fact from scripture
Your desire to attack a certain theory has nothing at all to do with what I have argued
@101G
Brothers,
I've read through the dialogue between you both on the "rapture". It seems to me you both believe there is a catching away, a transporting from one place to another, a snatching out, etc the issue seems to be unto where is one raptured, caught up, snatched out, carried away, etc.
101G has stated he believes we will not be raptured, caught up, snatched out, carried away, etc to heaven but will be caught up to meet with the Lord in the air as He comes to establish His Kingdom on earth in person. At least this is how I understand your belief 101G from this post of yours Link
There should be no doubt that God's children will be all caught up to meet Him in the air, for the Apostle Paul stated as such. The question to me is, where are we going from there?
I am curious to know from you both, where exactly do you think the Lord is taking us when He catches us away?
I believe we are not being snatched away to heaven. I believe the congruent witness we have from God throughout the bible is that evil doers will be removed from the earth (Mat 13:36-43, Mat 13:47-50) and we the children of God will inherit it (Mat 5:5). So, the catching up is both a gathering of His children both asleep and alive, and a revealing to creation of His children (Rom 8:18-23). This would be upon the Lord's return, second coming to earth that the Apostle Paul was eluding to in 1Th 3:13, 1Th 4:13-18, and the new heavens and earth as promised in the OT (Isa 65:17-25, Isa 66:15-24) and NT (2Pe 3:1-13, Rev 21:1-8).
God Bless
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101G
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Greeting my brother, and thanks for the reply. the Lord Jesus clearly said where .... "WE" .... are going..... nowhere. supportive scripture, Matthew 6:9 "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." Matthew 6:10 "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." the only one who when into heaven is the one who came down from heaven. and he went back to heaven to bring heaven here on earth. John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." John 14:2 "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." John 14:3 "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
when he come again,? yes, what will he do? Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:" Luke 1:33 "And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."
and NEW Jerusalem will come down from heaven and be on EARTH. Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
if we're to be where he is, he will be here on the NEW EARTH.
101G.
101G
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And I never stated a word about a rapture to heaven
And as i did state you are hung up on that
