Can People Get Saved After the Rapture?

[Selah]

Let’s read …

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age (Mark 13:3-13; Luke 21:7-19 ) 3 ¶ Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 ¶ And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you.

5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

6 “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for allfnthese things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences,fn and earthquakes in various places.

8 “All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 ¶ “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.

10 “And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.

11 “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.

12 “And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.

13 “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The Great Tribulation (Mark 13:14-23; Luke 17:23, 24, 37; 21:20-24 ) 15 ¶ “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’fn spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

17 “Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.

18 “And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.

19 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!

20 “And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

21 “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 “And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23 ¶ “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it.

24 “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

25 “See, I have told you beforehand.

26 ¶ “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

27 “For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

28 “For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

The Coming of the Son of Man (Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-28 ) 29 ¶ “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

30 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 “And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Parable of the Fig Tree (Mark 13:28-31; Luke 21:29-33 ) 32 ¶ “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.

33 “So you also, when you see all these things, know that itfn is near—at the doors!

34 “Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour (Mark 13:32-37; Luke 17:26, 27, 34, 35; 21:34-36 ) 36 ¶ “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,fn but My Father only.

37 “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

38 “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,

39 “and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

40 “Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.

41 “Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

42 “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hourfn your Lord is coming.

43 “But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

44 “Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Greetings, @Manasseh
I’m sorry, but I just can’t agree with you here because God wants His servants to endure until the very end, which is when Jesus Christ returns at the 7th trump. It’s amazingly sad that so many Christian churches so often teach exactly the opposite of what the Word of God says. They teach that the first one taken in the field in Mat. 24:40 is taken by Jesus Christ in the rapture of the church. Not true, and just a little bit of tilling and digging in the Bible, even by just reading Matthew 24 in context, will clearly show that the subject of the entire 24th chapter is about the deception of Satan and the events leading up to the return of Jesus Christ.

Think about it (selah)… The first one taken in the field is taken and deceived by the antichrist, the one that comes at the 6th trump claiming to be God.

Me? I’m going to keep on laboring and working in the field enduring until the very end and waiting for Jesus Christ the King of kings and Lord of lords who comes at the 7th trump. How ‘bout you?

Selah

But where Lord . whersoever the body is their will the eagles be gathered together .
This sounds a whole lot like what is being said in other places
which entails the birds and etc eat of the flesh of kings , of etc .
The saints must endure faithful unto the end . That is one thing both Christ and the true apostels
taught and instructed the church . warning of tribulations to come upon them
but letting them KNOW CHRIST shall be with us and to be faithful , to endure to the end .
They prepared their peoples . That in this world ye shall have tribulation
but to be of Good cheer for JESUS has overcome the world . IN HIM we have our peace
but in the world be prepared to be hated and persecuted .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Greetings, @Manasseh
I’m sorry, but I just can’t agree with you here because God wants His servants to endure until the very end, which is when Jesus Christ returns at the 7th trump. It’s amazingly sad that so many Christian churches so often teach exactly the opposite of what the Word of God says. They teach that the first one taken in the field in Mat. 24:40 is taken by Jesus Christ in the rapture of the church. Not true, and just a little bit of tilling and digging in the Bible, even by just reading Matthew 24 in context, will clearly show that the subject of the entire 24th chapter is about the deception of Satan and the events leading up to the return of Jesus Christ.

Think about it (selah)… The first one taken in the field is taken and deceived by the antichrist, the one that comes at the 6th trump claiming to be God.

Me? I’m going to keep on laboring and working in the field enduring until the very end and waiting for Jesus Christ the King of kings and Lord of lords who comes at the 7th trump. How ‘bout you?

Selah

Be faithful unto death and i shall give you a crown of life .

I have kept the faith , therefore is there laid up for me a crown . paul endured to the end
and he had taught the church to do likewise .
That he had often warned them in person and in letters that we are appointed unto tribulation .
As did peter and others .
But many have overlooked these warnings in favor of certain teachings of men
which i must say Has not worked to their good and rather to a very slothful and lukewarm people .
In fact most of the time when one brings warnings
and reminders the common response is
fear mongering , doom and gloom , seeing satan under every rock
WHEN truly its just warnings to the church to not be decieved by these men .
TO endure faithful to the end . TO not sin , to be living holy and righteously .
Reminding them JESUS is no minstir to sin and GOD wont be mocked . Thus heed not the flesh .
TO beware of false teachers , of intefaith and contrary men who use the name of JESUS for an agenda
to decieve . And yet we should see the way CHRIST warned and later the apostels did .
FOR the good of the peoples . But today that is seen as doom n gloom
and messages of give me my best life now with the promise of no tribulation in this world is what most desire to hear .

 

[Duane]

Pretribulationism is the truth. Scripturally, the pretribulational view has much to commend it. For example, the church is not appointed to wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:9-10, 5:9), and believers will not be overtaken by the Day of the Lord (1 Thessalonians 5:1-9). The church of Philadelphia was promised to be kept from “the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world” (Revelation 3:10). Note that the promise is not preservation through the trial but deliverance from the hour, that is, from the time period of the trial.

Pretribulationism is the only theory which clearly maintains the distinction between Israel and the church and God’s separate plans for each. The seventy “sevens” of Daniel 9:24 are decreed upon Daniel’s people (the Jews) and Daniel’s holy city (Jerusalem). This prophecy makes it plain that the seventieth week (the Tribulation) is a time of purging and restoration for Israel and Jerusalem, not for the church.

Also, pretribulationism has historical support. From John 21:22-23, it would seem that the early church viewed Christ’s return as imminent, that He could return at any moment. Otherwise, the rumor would not have persisted that Jesus would return within John’s lifetime. Imminence, which is incompatible with the other two Rapture theories, is a key tenet of pretribulationism.

And the pretribulational view seems to be the most in keeping with God’s character and His desire to deliver the righteous from the judgment of the world. Biblical examples of God’s salvation include Noah, who was delivered from the worldwide flood; Lot, who was delivered from Sodom; and Rahab, who was delivered from Jericho (2 Peter 2:6-9). Got?

Now that's the truth.

 

[Marvelloustime]

But where Lord . whersoever the body is their will the eagles be gathered together .
This sounds a whole lot like what is being said in other places
which entails the birds and etc eat of the flesh of kings , of etc .
The saints must endure faithful unto the end . That is one thing both Christ and the true apostels
taught and instructed the church . warning of tribulations to come upon them
but letting them KNOW CHRIST shall be with us and to be faithful , to endure to the end .
They prepared their peoples . That in this world ye shall have tribulation
but to be of Good cheer for JESUS has overcome the world . IN HIM we have our peace
but in the world be prepared to be hated and persecuted .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16‬:‭33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

No , i am no mystic . its not me following the voice of one crying
in the wilderness prepare this people for anti christ , make ready a false love of the world
that leads to acceptance of sins and unbeleif .
I aint the mystic . MYSTERY INQUITY has been at work and that which is of anti christ
has been working . And its father knows how to lie , its mother is a harlot
and many sip of her cup of fornication , believing its love and of GOD
and is the way to attain world peace n safety . Hope that puts your mind at ease
that i dont see myself as some great mystic with so called special revelation .
ANY wee sheep with eyes to see could easily see this church age has SOLD OUT
to what it thinks and so beleives is love and of GOD . ONLY it aint . That ol serepent is a sneak one .
but the sheep wont heed its voice .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[dwight92070]

You are 100% Correct


Please do more reading and praying on this for God promised that man would rule & reign with Christ for 1,000 Years

Shalom and Good Night

The 1000 years of Revelation 20 appears to be symbolic (as most of Revelation is) of the church age - i.e. the time period from Christ's death until His 2nd Coming.

The number 1000 is used symbolically in other verses as well. God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Psalm 50:10
"with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day." 2 Peter 3:8
"a day in Your courts is better than a thousand outside." Psalm 85:10

Jesus bound Satan on the cross, which began the symbolic thousand years:

Hebrews 2:14 " ... through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendants of Abraham."

How is Satan bound today? As the verse says, he is bound from having any power over the seed of, or descendants of Abraham, that is of course, all those of us who have put our faith in Jesus. He set us free from the fear of death because we know where we are going after death.

1 John 3:8 " ...The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil."

Since His resurrection, Jesus has been seated at the right hand of God. He told us "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." Matthew 28:18

And yes, by faith those of us who are "in Christ" are reigning with Him even now.
Ephesians 2:5-6 "even when we were dead in our transgressions, (God) made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

Romans 5:17 " ... much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ."

Before Jesus came, there was only ONE NATION out of all the nations, that knew God - Israel. Why? Because Satan had successfully deceived the nations. In Revelation 20:3, we see that Jesus, by His death and resurrection, and the preaching of the gospel to all the world, successfully bound Satan from "deceiving the nations any longer". As the gospel enters into a nation, and the people receive it, that nation is no longer deceived.

If God had given us the exact number of years from His death and resurrection to His 2nd Coming, then, of course, we could quite easily pinpoint the year of His return - which, of course, is NOT what He wanted us to know.

"It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority." Acts 1:7

Almost all of the Old Testament prophecies which seem to point to a future Millennium, are actually references to His first coming, not His 2nd coming. See 1 Peter 1:10-11 and Luke 24:25-27

In those prophecies, we see MUCH symbolism. For example, turning swords into plowshares, is symbolic of the peace that comes to a soul who has turned to Christ, etc.

Also NONE of those prophecies say that it will be a time period that lasts 1000 years, but indicates that it will go on forever. The ONLY place in scripture where this 1000 years is mentioned is in Revelation 20.

 

[armylngst]

The 1000 years of Revelation 20 appears to be symbolic (as most of Revelation is) of the church age - i.e. the time period from Christ's death until His 2nd Coming.

Don't force your beliefs onto the passage. Of all the Old Testament prophecies about Christ, about Israel, etc. not one was symbolic. Why should we consider God not to be immutable, and that somehow He changed, and now it is symbolic?

The number 1000 is used symbolically in other verses as well. God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Psalm 50:10
"with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day." 2 Peter 3:8
"a day in Your courts is better than a thousand outside." Psalm 85:10

That isn't symbolic, it is figurative. First of all it isn't prophetic to say God owns the cattle on a thousand hills, so logically it cannot be reflected upon prophecy. Neither are the other passages, so logically they cannot be used. In any prophecy where time is given, it is not figurative, though it may be couched in figurative language. Notice how seven years was seven fat cows, and then seven skinny cows, and retold as seven fat stalks of grain, and seven sickly stalks of grain. It is consistent, and it is literal once you understand what the symbols mean. God gave Joseph that understanding.

Jesus bound Satan on the cross, which began the symbolic thousand years:

Hebrews 2:14 " ... through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendants of Abraham."

He did not bound Satan on the cross. Satan is free and well, though he cannot actually harm God's children. Death holds no sting for the believer, but that sting holds full power over the non-believer. And, do you know why Satan was bound? It wasn't so he couldn't make people sin. Revelation is clear. It was so he could not deceive the nations for a thousand years. Why? What had just happened? Satan had just deceived all the nations of the world, in the guise of the beast, the antichrist, into attacking Israel. So he is bound in the pit so he can't do that for a thousand years. And then, he is released for a short time to what? Deceive the nations again into attacking Israel/Jerusalem and all the saints who are there. There is nothing symbolic about the 1000 years.

How is Satan bound today? As the verse says, he is bound from having any power over the seed of, or descendants of Abraham, that is of course, all those of us who have put our faith in Jesus. He set us free from the fear of death because we know where we are going after death.

That isn't how he is to be bound as we see in Revelation.

1 John 3:8 " ...The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil."

Since His resurrection, Jesus has been seated at the right hand of God. He told us "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." Matthew 28:18

And yes, by faith those of us who are "in Christ" are reigning with Him even now.
Ephesians 2:5-6 "even when we were dead in our transgressions, (God) made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

Romans 5:17 " ... much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ."

Before Jesus came, there was only ONE NATION out of all the nations, that knew God - Israel. Why? Because Satan had successfully deceived the nations. In Revelation 20:3, we see that Jesus, by His death and resurrection, and the preaching of the gospel to all the world, successfully bound Satan from "deceiving the nations any longer". As the gospel enters into a nation, and the people receive it, that nation is no longer deceived.

If God had given us the exact number of years from His death and resurrection to His 2nd Coming, then, of course, we could quite easily pinpoint the year of His return - which, of course, is NOT what He wanted us to know.

"It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority." Acts 1:7

Almost all of the Old Testament prophecies which seem to point to a future Millennium, are actually references to His first coming, not His 2nd coming. See 1 Peter 1:10-11 and Luke 24:25-27

That is not true. The reason why the Jews missed his first coming is because they were focused on the prophecies which pointed to a future Millennium, and allegorized all the prophecies about His first coming. Why do you think the disciples were so confused? They knew all about the Jewish eschatology. When will you come into your Kingdom? Will you now return the Kingdom to Israel? Jesus didn't say that they were wrong. He said it isn't for them to know the times and epochs established by the Father. Which means, the returning of the kingdom to Israel is one of those times/epochs established by the Father, and... it is His domain, and His business, not ours. Not even Jesus knew.

In those prophecies, we see MUCH symbolism. For example, turning swords into plowshares, is symbolic of the peace that comes to a soul who has turned to Christ, etc.

No. No it isn't. It is war turning into peace in the Kingdom. Now, since everyone in the Kingdom is saved, sure. Explain the prophecy that has those plowshares turned back into swords? It happens to be mixed in with those "special" prophecies in Joel. "Beat your plowshares into swords, And your pruning hooks into spears; Let the weak man say, “I am a warrior.”" [Joel 3] In context it sounds exactly like a millennial prophecy. The battle of Revelation 19.

Also NONE of those prophecies say that it will be a time period that lasts 1000 years, but indicates that it will go on forever. The ONLY place in scripture where this 1000 years is mentioned is in Revelation 20.

Which puts all the other prophecies into perspective. All the prophecies in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy especially) put no time frame onto any of the exiles even though it was prophecied in Deuteronomy. We only have the Leviticus principle, and even that isn't completely certain. (The Leviticus Principle used with the last exile of the Jews gives and end date for that exile as 1948, according to some.) Time is specific in prophecy. Why were the Jews exiled for as long as Jeremiah said? God told them it was so the land would have every sabbath year that the Jews did not honor. It was that long. It wasn't shorter, it wasn't longer. That is how exacting God is.

 

[DavidTree]

The 1000 years of Revelation 20 appears to be symbolic (as most of Revelation is) of the church age - i.e. the time period from Christ's death until His 2nd Coming.

The number 1000 is used symbolically in other verses as well. God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Psalm 50:10
"with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day." 2 Peter 3:8
"a day in Your courts is better than a thousand outside." Psalm 85:10

Jesus bound Satan on the cross, which began the symbolic thousand years:

Hebrews 2:14 " ... through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendants of Abraham."

How is Satan bound today? As the verse says, he is bound from having any power over the seed of, or descendants of Abraham, that is of course, all those of us who have put our faith in Jesus. He set us free from the fear of death because we know where we are going after death.

1 John 3:8 " ...The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil."

Since His resurrection, Jesus has been seated at the right hand of God. He told us "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." Matthew 28:18

And yes, by faith those of us who are "in Christ" are reigning with Him even now.
Ephesians 2:5-6 "even when we were dead in our transgressions, (God) made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

Romans 5:17 " ... much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ."

Before Jesus came, there was only ONE NATION out of all the nations, that knew God - Israel. Why? Because Satan had successfully deceived the nations. In Revelation 20:3, we see that Jesus, by His death and resurrection, and the preaching of the gospel to all the world, successfully bound Satan from "deceiving the nations any longer". As the gospel enters into a nation, and the people receive it, that nation is no longer deceived.

If God had given us the exact number of years from His death and resurrection to His 2nd Coming, then, of course, we could quite easily pinpoint the year of His return - which, of course, is NOT what He wanted us to know.

"It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority." Acts 1:7

Almost all of the Old Testament prophecies which seem to point to a future Millennium, are actually references to His first coming, not His 2nd coming. See 1 Peter 1:10-11 and Luke 24:25-27

In those prophecies, we see MUCH symbolism. For example, turning swords into plowshares, is symbolic of the peace that comes to a soul who has turned to Christ, etc.

Also NONE of those prophecies say that it will be a time period that lasts 1000 years, but indicates that it will go on forever. The ONLY place in scripture where this 1000 years is mentioned is in Revelation 20.

Two simple questions:

A.) How many years did Adam live?
and
B.) Were they literal years or symbolic?