What is regeneration?

[Complete]

'And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you,
That ye which have followed me,
in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,
ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren,
or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for My Name's sake,
shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.'
(Mat 19:28-30)

The regeneration here being, 'The making of all things new'. The restoration of Acts 3:21, when Peter, speaking to the men of Israel congregating at the feast of Pentecost, spoke these words:-

'Repent ye therefore, and be converted, (turn ye again [to Me])
that your sins may be blotted out,
when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, (re-establishment from a state of ruin)
which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.'
(Act 3:19)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Rockson]

Notice the biblical order from Scripture when the new birth occurs


1 Peter 1:23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Right on. And that's called through the preaching of the gospel. Calvinism doesn't even have any application with the word of God being necessary to even get one born again. Look at their posts here folks. Here's one from post 392.

It is called growing in grace and knowledge of who he is and what has been freely given to him by the grace of God.

That is they're saying they're saved before they even release their faith and trust in Jesus or the knowledge of the teaching. Before they even hear the gospel! Seems clear to me Jesus said, JESUS SAID, preach the gospel...THE GOSPEL to every creature....he that believes shall be (if language means anything SHALL BE means AFTER, after he believes the message and not before) .

 

[Red Baker]

Right on. And that's called through the preaching of the gospel. Calvinism doesn't even have any application with the word of God being necessary to even get one born again. Look at their posts here folks. Here's one from post 392.

It is called growing in grace and knowledge of who he is and what has been freely given to him by the grace of God.

That is they're saying they're saved before they even release their faith and trust in Jesus or the knowledge of the teaching. Before they even hear the gospel! Seems clear to me Jesus said, JESUS SAID, preach the gospel...THE GOSPEL to every creature....he that believes shall be (if language means anything SHALL BE means AFTER, after he believes the message and not before) .

I will address Mark 16:16 if you like~ and show how the word salvation/save/saved is used in different senses.

 

[TomL]

Right on. And that's called through the preaching of the gospel. Calvinism doesn't even have any application with the word of God being necessary to even get one born again. Look at their posts here folks. Here's one from post 392.

It is called growing in grace and knowledge of who he is and what has been freely given to him by the grace of God.

That is they're saying they're saved before they even release their faith and trust in Jesus or the knowledge of the teaching. Before they even hear the gospel! Seems clear to me Jesus said, JESUS SAID, preach the gospel...THE GOSPEL to every creature....he that believes shall be (if language means anything SHALL BE means AFTER, after he believes the message and not before) .

Calvinism gospel has no power. Man cannot believe it and it has no part in regenerating him.

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinism gospel has no power. Man cannot believe it and it has no part in regenerating him.

Tulip is the Gospel, and until one is regenerated they cannot believe it spiritually. Man cannot believe and understand spiritually in his natural condition 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

What is regeneration?​

"Regeneration is just another "religious buzz word" meaning whatever the Denominational/Theological paradigm using the term wants it to.

Calvinists appear to use it as the "Work around" for their "Total Depravity" fixation. to the Calvinist it's NOT salvation, but only a "twilight state" that exists so that you can be "Aware" of God's calling.

And to the Calvinist "Being "Born again", and being "Saved" are also two different things the difference being something that I don't understand, but they apparently thing they do (go figure).

To the rest of us, "Regenerated", "Saved", and "Born Again" are all synonymous terms.

 

[TomL]

Tulip is the Gospel, and until one is regenerated they cannot believe it spiritually. Man cannot believe and understand spiritually in his natural condition 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

context concerns the deep hidden things of God not the publically revealed gospel


1 Corinthians 2:6–14 (ESV) — 6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— 10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. 14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[brightfame52]

context concerns the deep hidden things of God not the publically revealed gospel


1 Corinthians 2:6–14 (ESV) — 6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— 10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. 14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

The Gospel has to be revealed to one by the Spirit thats within them 1 Cor 2:12-14

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak,[The Gospel] not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak,[The Gospel] not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

This harks back to my point in some thread (I forget which) that in order to believe and trust in something, you must first be convinced it is true. And there's no way the natural man can be convinced the Gospel is true.

 

[TomL]

The Gospel has to be revealed to one by the Spirit thats within them 1 Cor 2:12-14

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak,[The Gospel] not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Sorry you are adding words to scripture

context concerns the deep hidden things of God not the publically revealed gospel


1 Corinthians 2:6–14 (ESV) — 6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— 10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. 14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

The gospel is not a secret nor is it hidden

 

[Johann]

I will address Mark 16:16 if you like~ and show how the word salvation/save/saved is used in different senses.

Syntax and Morphology of Mark 16:16

The verse reads: "ὁ πιστεύσας καὶ βαπτισθεὶς σωθήσεται, ὁ δὲ ἀπιστήσας κατακριθήσεται."

The syntax of this verse can be broken down as follows:

Main Clause 1: "ὁ πιστεύσας καὶ βαπτισθεὶς σωθήσεται"

"ὁ πιστεύσας" (the one who has believed) - Nominative Singular Masculine Participle

"καὶ" (and) - Coordinating Conjunction

"βαπτισθεὶς" (having been baptized) - Nominative Singular Masculine Participle

"σωθήσεται" (will be saved) - Future Passive Indicative Verb

Main Clause 2: "ὁ δὲ ἀπιστήσας κατακριθήσεται"

"ὁ δὲ ἀπιστήσας" (but the one who has disbelieved) - Nominative Singular Masculine Participle

"κατακριθήσεται" (will be condemned) - Future Passive Indicative Verb

The morphology of the key words in this verse is as follows:
"ὁ" (the) - Nominative Singular Masculine Article
"πιστεύσας" (having believed) - Aorist Active Participle
"βαπτισθεὶς" (having been baptized) - Aorist Passive Participle
"σωθήσεται" (will be saved) - Future Passive Indicative Verb
"ἀπιστήσας" (having disbelieved) - Aorist Active Participle
"κατακριθήσεται" (will be condemned) - Future Passive Indicative Verb

Exegetical Explanation

This verse presents a clear and concise statement from Jesus regarding the necessity of faith and baptism for salvation. The syntax emphasizes the contrast between those who believe and are baptized, and those who do not believe.
The first main clause states that the one who has believed and been baptized will be saved. The use of the Aorist Participles "πιστεύσας" and "βαπτισθεὶς" indicates that these actions precede the future salvation expressed by the verb "σωθήσεται."

The second main clause then contrasts this with the one who has disbelieved, using the Aorist Active Participle "ἀπιστήσας." This person will be condemned, as expressed by the Future Passive Indicative verb "κατακριθήσεται."

The syntax and morphology of this verse emphasize the necessity of both faith and baptism for salvation, while also highlighting the dire consequences of unbelief. The use of the Aorist Participles suggests that faith and baptism are prerequisites for salvation, while the Future Passive Indicative verbs indicate the certainty of the outcomes - salvation for believers and condemnation for unbelievers.
This verse is a foundational text in Christian theology, underscoring the importance of both belief and the sacrament of baptism for eternal life.

"Σωθήσεται" (sōthēsetai) - This is the Future Passive Indicative form of the Greek verb "σῴζω" (sōzō), which means "to save, deliver, protect, heal, preserve, do well, be whole." This word is used in Mark 16:16 to indicate that the one who believes and is baptized "will be saved."
"Πιστεύσας" (pisteusas) - This is the Aorist Active Participle form of the Greek verb "πιστεύω" (pisteuō), meaning "to believe, have faith in, trust." It is used in Mark 16:16 to describe the one who "has believed."

"Ἀπιστήσας" (apistēsas) - This is the Aorist Active Participle form of the Greek verb "ἀπιστέω" (apisteō), meaning "to be unbelieving, to disbelieve, to refuse to believe." It is used in Mark 16:16 to describe the one who "has disbelieved."
"Κατακριθήσεται" (katakrithēsetai) - This is the Future Passive Indicative form of the Greek verb "κατακρίνω" (katakrino), meaning "to judge against, condemn, sentence." It is used in Mark 16:16 to indicate that the one who disbelieves "will be condemned."
"Hilasmos" (ἱλασμός) - This Greek word is translated as both "propitiation" and "expiation" in 1 John 2:2 and 4:10. It means "to make acceptable and to make amends or reparation."

These Greek words highlight the key concepts of salvation in Christianity, including belief, unbelief, condemnation, and the atoning work of Christ. The morphology of these words provides insight into the theological nuances expressed in the original Greek text.

 

[Behold]

This verse presents a clear and concise statement from Jesus regarding the necessity of faith and baptism for salvation.

Water baptism, is not necessary for Salvation.

And you are posting about WATER Baptism.....correct?

So, in that case....You should not be a misleading "voice" for the cult of Mary, who is the cult who teaches that water washes away your sin. @Johann

 

[Johann]

Water baptism, is not necessary for Salvation.

And you are posting about WATER Baptism.....correct?

So, in that case....You should not be a misleading "voice" for the cult of Mary, who is the cult who teaches that water washes away your sin. @Johann

Next--

I believe that Jesus commanded us to "Go therefore and make disciples (aorist imperative = command. Do this now! Do it effectively! Just do it!) of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that" He commanded (Mt 28:19, 20). I believe that He is with us always, even to the end of this age.

I believe that the early church practiced water baptism by submersion from passages such as Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch in which "the eunuch said "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?"… and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch; and he baptized him" and then "they came up out of the water" (Acts 8:36, 37 38).

I believe that water baptism is the desire of our Lord Jesus for every believer, but that water baptism itself does not "convey grace" and that it is not necessary for salvation, for salvation is the gift of God which is entered into by grace through faith and not through human works (Ep 2:8, 9+) like baptism.

In summary I believe water baptism is a sign or an outward indication of the inner supernatural change (new birth - John 3:3+) that has already occurred in the believer’s life by grace through faith and thus serves as a public identification with Jesus Christ, and a public testimony of the change that has occurred.

 

[Johann]

Next--

I believe that Jesus commanded us to "Go therefore and make disciples (aorist imperative = command. Do this now! Do it effectively! Just do it!) of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that" He commanded (Mt 28:19, 20). I believe that He is with us always, even to the end of this age.

I believe that the early church practiced water baptism by submersion from passages such as Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch in which "the eunuch said "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?"… and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch; and he baptized him" and then "they came up out of the water" (Acts 8:36, 37 38).

I believe that water baptism is the desire of our Lord Jesus for every believer, but that water baptism itself does not "convey grace" and that it is not necessary for salvation, for salvation is the gift of God which is entered into by grace through faith and not through human works (Ep 2:8, 9+) like baptism.

In summary I believe water baptism is a sign or an outward indication of the inner supernatural change (new birth - John 3:3+) that has already occurred in the believer’s life by grace through faith and thus serves as a public identification with Jesus Christ, and a public testimony of the change that has occurred.

 

[Behold]

Next--

I believe that Jesus commanded us to "Go therefore and make disciples (aorist imperative = command. Do this now!

Yeah, i thought you'd show up soon to teach your Gospel of water and works. Galatians 1:8

Nothing new.., and its Good that the Mod sees you do it, as they need to understand what you do, and what you believe.. and what you are.....
Im happy to help reveal you..
See you there.....

Now, notice... MR WATER AND WORKS.... @Johann


1.) "go and make disciples"... JESUS said.

See that? That is Mark 16., and that is not The Gospel...

How do you know??

Its because A Christian is more than a Disciple.

Let me show you..

In the NT, before Jesus was crucified, He told people who were not apostles, but followed Him..= .'if you keep my words, you are my disciples, indeed".

And they were, but they were not born again CHRISTians..

Whereas, after The Cross, when a person believes on Jesus, = they become MUCH MUCH more than a disciple.. they become a SON/Daughter of God.
They become "in Christ", and "one with God".

So, that is the "new Birth" that is caused by the HOLY SPIRIT>......and not by water as the cult of mary teaches.

No one is "born again by water"...

As water is just water.... @Johann

Have a glass.
Take a shower.
See if you can figure it all out.

And take your time as i know you have a lot more "cut and paste" to post.

 

[Johann]

Now, notice... MR WATER AND WORKS.... @Johann

baptizing them. The fact that this is a command to the eleven (Mat_28:16) disciples to baptize individuals proves that the baptism spoken of here is ritual baptism with water, not the real baptism by the Holy Spirit, for real baptism cannot be accomplished by means of human administrators (+*Act_2:38 note). F. G. Hibbard argues: (1) The apostles were never commissioned to baptize with the Holy Ghost: this is accomplished directly by Christ (Joh_1:33, Act_2:17). "Indeed, we recollect of but one individual in apostolic times that imbibed the dangerous error that any being but God could baptize with the Holy Spirit: This person was Simon Magus. Act_8:18" (Hibbard, Christian Baptism, Part 2, p. 159).

(2) The commission of the apostles to baptize would naturally have been understood by them of water baptism, unless special instruction had been given them to the contrary (pp. 160, 161). (3) The apostles did understand their commission as referring to water baptism, as is most clearly shown by their subsequent practice (Act_8:36; Act_8:38; Act_10:47; Act_19:1-6). "Here, then, we are brought to a direct issue, and one of the following conclusions is irresistibly forced upon us; that either the apostles erred, and acted, not only without divine authority, but against that authority in a matter so vital as that which involved the spirituality and uncorruptness of the religion of Jesus; or, water baptism is a divinely instituted rite of the Christian religion. But if it be a divine institution, the duty of submission thereto needs no further argument. The proof is complete" (F. G. Hibbard, Christian Baptism, Part 2, p. 162).

This, then, is an example of a verse respecting baptism which does not mention the element water, yet most certainly has reference to water baptism.

Notice also that the command for baptizing is co-extensive with the command to go, and to teach. This proves the perpetuity of the ordinance: as long as men are to go, and to teach the gospel, just so long are they also to baptize.

In this passage the ordinance of ritual water baptism is instituted by Christ himself after his resurrection without any hint of its temporary obligation.

If he intended baptism to be temporary, he could not have associated baptism with other parts of ministerial duty intended to be of perpetual force. Were ritual water baptism only applicable to Jewish believers as a temporary and exclusively Jewish ordinance, applicable only to the pre-gospel dispensation as some ultra-dispensationalists teach, we must certainly have expected a clear word limiting the ordinance of the same or equal authority as these words establishing the ordinance, but this we do not find.

This text clearly teaches the contrary, for the disciples were commanded to teach "all nations, baptizing them." Since all nations are to be baptized, it is absurd to insist that the command is exclusively Jewish.

Contrary to the assertion that only Jewish believers were baptized in Acts, or that all baptisms were conducted by Jewish Christians, Cornelius was most certainly a Gentile, and he was water baptized (Act_10:48) after receiving the Holy Spirit. It is not certain that the Ethiopian eunuch was a Jew (Act_8:27), and it is most certain that the Philippian jailor was a Gentile, a Roman, in charge of the prison (Act_16:27; Act_16:35-36). Paul in his ministry was accompanied by Gentile converts who assisted in his work. These assistants most certainly conducted the majority of the ritual water baptisms that occurred under the ministry of Paul, for Paul asserts to the Corinthians that he had baptized none of them save Crispus and Gaius, the household of Stephanus, and he did not recall if he had baptized any others—yet there were enough baptized believers who received ritual water baptism under the ministry of Paul to form one of three contending parties at Corinth (1Co_1:12). Certainly when Paul writes "every one of you saith, I am of Paul" he does not mean to limit "every one of you" (1Co_1:12) to Crispus, Gaius, and the household of Stephanus. This proves, then, that others were baptized during Paul’s ministry besides the very few he personally baptized. We are not explicitly told just who performed the ritual water baptisms under Paul’s ministry, but as it is certain that Paul enjoyed the assistance of a number of non-Jewish fellowlaborers, there is no reason to suppose that they were not employed at times in this service. Who baptized Lydia (Act_16:14 note, Act_16:15 note)? If she was not baptized by Paul, she must have been baptized by one of the brethren who accompanied Paul at this time (Act_16:40 note), among whom were Silas, Luke, and Timothy.

Nothing is said of the family background of Silas, but his name suggests that he may have been a Hellenistic Jew, and from Act_16:37 we know he was a Roman citizen. Both Luke and Titus were companions and fellowlaborers of Paul, and both were Gentile Christians. Considering the fact that Titus is directly stated to have been an uncircumcised Gentile (Gal_2:3), was sent by Paul to Corinth (2Co_8:6; 2Co_8:16; 2Co_12:18), who accompanied Paul and Barnabas at the time of the Jerusalem Council (Act_15:2), and most probably was converted through the instrumentality of Paul himself (Tit_1:4), there is no reason to believe that Titus and other Gentile brethren were not entrusted with the performance of ritual water baptisms and other duties associated with founding, administrating, and establishing the new churches. T37, Isa_52:15, Joh_3:22, +*Act_2:38; +*Act_2:39; +*Act_2:41; Act_8:12-16; Act_8:36-38; Act_9:18; Act_10:47-48; Act_16:14-15; Act_16:33; Act_19:3-5; +*Act_22:16, Rom_6:3-4 note. 1Co_1:13-16; %+*1Co_1:17; 1Co_15:29, %+*Gal_3:27, Eph_4:5, 1Pe_3:21.
in. Rather, into the name (eis) as **1Co_10:2 note; 1Co_12:13; Gal_3:27, Compare also Act_19:3 with Act_19:5, Greek. Also, the name, not names, implying the Unity of the Trinity following (De Burgh, p. 134). Act_2:38 ("in the name of Jesus Christ"); Act_8:16 ("in the name of the Lord Jesus"); Act_10:48 ("in the name of the Lord"); Act_19:5 ("in the name of the Lord Jesus"). +Gal_3:27.

 

[Behold]

baptizing them. The fact that this is a command to the eleven

And Paul who is the "apostle to the Gentiles", "in the time of the Gentiles".....and you are in it.... @Johann ..

Paul said this..

"Christ sent me NOT To water baptize"., and that does not mean that we are not to be water baptized..
But Paul is ending the significance of it, because there are those who teach that water is a part of Redemption, and its not.

What is required for redemption?

1.) Jesus on the Cross

2.) Faith in Christ

3.) The Holy Spirit

Thats it.
Water need not apply...

So, there are water cults.... like the JW's and the Cult of Mary, who teach a false gospel, through people like you..... by adding WATER to the Cross of Christ, as "both are necessary".

And that is a "doctrine of Devils" and you should not teach it.
You should not submit yourself to be used as a TOOL of the Cult of Mary, regarding teaching their : Galatians 1:8
But go ahead, as you need to stand up and be counted, so that the Mods can see you.

See you there.

 

[Johann]

And Paul who is the "apostle to the Gentiles", "in the time of the Gentiles".....and you are in it.... @Johann ..

Paul said this..

"Christ sent me NOT To water baptize"., and that does not mean that we are not to be water baptized..
But Paul is ending the significance of it, because there are those who teach that water is a part of Redemption, and its not.

What is required for redemption?

1.) Jesus on the Cross

2.) Faith in Christ

3.) The Holy Spirt

Thats it.
Water need not apply...

So, there are water cults.... like the JW's and the Cult of Mary, who teach a false gospel, through people like you..... by adding WATER to the Cross of Christ, as "both are necessary".

And that is a "doctrine of Devils" and you should not teach it.
But go ahead, as you need to stand up and be counted, so that the Mods can see you.

See you there.

Paul's statement "For Christ did not send me to baptize" (1 Corinthians 1:17) is often misunderstood as implying that water baptism is not necessary for salvation. However, this verse should be understood in the context of Paul's mission and the purpose of his preaching.

Paul's primary mission was to preach the gospel, not to perform water baptisms. He was called to spread the message of Jesus Christ and to lead people to salvation through faith in Him. Water baptism was not the primary means of salvation, but rather an outward sign of the inward change that occurred when a person accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

In this context, Paul's statement is not saying that water baptism is unnecessary for salvation, but rather that his focus was on preaching the gospel and leading people to faith in Christ, rather than on performing water baptisms. He was not sent to baptize people in the sense that his primary task was to perform water baptisms, but rather to preach the gospel and lead people to salvation through faith in Christ.

This is further supported by Paul's own actions and teachings. He did perform water baptisms, as seen in his letters and in the book of Acts. For example, he baptized the household of Stephanas (1 Corinthians 1:16) and preached in Philippi, where a woman named Lydia was baptized (Acts 16:14-15). Additionally, Paul's teachings emphasize the importance of faith in Christ for salvation, rather than water baptism (Romans 3:24-25, Ephesians 2:8-9).

In summary, Paul's statement "For Christ did not send me to baptize" should be understood in the context of his mission and the purpose of his preaching. It is not saying that water baptism is unnecessary for salvation, but rather that his focus was on preaching the gospel and leading people to faith in Christ, rather than on performing water baptisms.

 

[Behold]

Paul's statement "For Christ did not send me to baptize" (1 Corinthians 1:17) is often misunderstood as implying that water baptism is not necessary for salvation. However,

I didnt misunderstand it.

And you've yet to understand it.

They is why you teach a false gospel... "water + works"..

See, that is The Catholic Church's idea of "redemption".

Its based on their Satanic bible....>"the Douay Rehims"">..

In that demonic book......it teaches in JOHN 3.... that you are "born again.... BY water".

"By water" are you "born again"..

And that is a lie.

Not only are you not born again by water, ... water itself has no bearing on receiving Christ.

See, to be Born again....is. "by my SPIRIT sayeth the LORD">

And WATER need not apply, and people who teach water, as you are doing, are deceived by a water cult.

If you can take a moment away from your cut and paste files......just go to Acts 8.

Read about the Eunuch and Philip.

The Eunuch wanted to be water baptized., and Philip told him that this was good, but only if "YOU have believed in Jesus with all your heart, FIRST"., = before the water baptism.

See that?
See that BELIEVING?
That is where SALVATION is Give by God........and that is no by water baptism.

 

[Red Baker]

This verse is a foundational text in Christian theology, underscoring the importance of both belief and the sacrament of baptism for eternal life.

Greetings Johann~I'm convinced you are confused based upon you quote here and your quote here:

I believe that water baptism is the desire of our Lord Jesus for every believer, but that water baptism itself does not "convey grace" and that it is not necessary for salvation

Your post to me seems to be a copy and paste from someone else who did believe in baptismal regeneration, but your own confession said that you did not in your post to Behold.

Let me also say that baptism is not a NT church sacrament as the EOC and RCC teach. Baptism is a NT church ordinance as the Lord's supper is, neither of them convey grace to those who participate therein.

I have no problem in copying and paste as long as you are in 100% agreement with them and that based upon thus saith the Lord. But you should carefully read what you copy and paste.