What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

... and yet: I am still not a Calvinist. I am a Particular Baptist. My source is not from the Reformers like John Calvin or even early church writers like Augustine. Baptists owe more to Gutenberg and John Wycliffe and William Tyndale for providing mass copies of scripture in vernacular English. We are an anti-establishment, Sola Scriptura, grass-roots populist movement.

Surprise surprise surprise. Like I said. Baptist pretend they're not Protestants. Spurgeon tried to do the same thing. How about John Gill?

English is a butchered language full of deception. Your Kings in England made sure you were preach exactly what they wanted you to preach.
 
1) Where does it say that God created Adam and Eve without a sinful nature?
Romans 5:12~"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

Sin entered into the world by Adam's sin~he was not created with sin in his members.
Jesus Christ was sent, not in the likeness of flesh, but in the flesh. He was sent, however, not in sinful flesh, but in the likeness of sinful flesh. Nothing can more clearly prove that the Lord Jesus Christ, though He assumed our nature, took it without taint of sin or corruption ~ that Adam received through being disobedience.

If the flesh of Jesus Christ was the likeness of sinful flesh, there must be a difference between the appearance of sinful flesh and our nature, or flesh in its original state when Adam was created. Christ, then, was not made in the likeness of the flesh of man before sin entered the world, but in the likeness of his fallen flesh. Though He had no corruption in His nature, yet He had all the sinless infirmities of our flesh. The person of man, in his present state, may be greatly different from what it was when Adam came from the hand of his Creator. Our bodies, as they are at present, are called ‘the bodies of our humiliation,’ Philippians 3:21

(2) What is a sinful nature?

The lack of the original righteousness which God created Adam with. For our nature is not merely bereft of good, but is so productive of every kind of evil that it cannot be inactive but works in us. Those who have called it concupiscence (a strong, especially sexual desire, lust) have used a word by no means wide of the mark, if it were added (and this is what many do not concede) that whatever is in man from intellect to will, from the soul to the flesh, is all defiled and crammed with concupiscence; or, to sum it up briefly, that the whole man is in himself nothing but concupiscence. . . .every man, if honest would agree. to this.

(3) Where, in the Bible, do we read anything about a sinful nature?
Romans 5:12, Ephesians 2:1-3, and Psalm 51:5.

If by nature men are children of wrath, then their nature is sinful, or else God would be unrighteous saying they are children of his wrath by nature alone.
Red, with all due respect, nearly all of that is just conjecture on your part. For example, you said, "Sin entered into the world by Adam's sin~he was not created with sin in his members". But romans 5:12 doesn't actually say that. In fact, It doesn't actually say any of that stuff you wrote. As I said, nearly all just conjecture--not scripture, just conjecture.
 
Did you ask to be here? No, you did not, and neither was I ask, yet God in his sovereign right decided to create and as he did knowing it was the most righteous way of creating....

Genesis 1:31​

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”

You're repeating what you've been taught. What you prefer.

What you missed is right there in the text.....

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

You might want to pay better attention to what God said over what you've been taught or heard from another.
 
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Red, with all due respect, nearly all of that is just conjecture on your part. For example, you said, "Sin entered into the world by Adam's sin~he was not created with sin in his members". But romans 5:12 doesn't actually say that. In fact, It doesn't actually say any of that stuff you wrote. As I said, nearly all just conjecture--not scripture, just conjecture.

Abel died because of the sin of Cain. Abel was innocent.

Death because of sin isn't what most people think it is.
 
You're repeating what you've been taught. What you prefer.

What you missed is right there in the text.....

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

You might want to pay better attention to what God said over what you've been taught or heard from another.
If you have something worthy to be spoken, by all means, speak, if not, it would show wisdom on your part to remain silent, for when you generally speak, there's nothing profitable to the hearer's thereof. Are you part of the EOC?
 
Red, with all due respect, nearly all of that is just conjecture on your part. For example, you said, "Sin entered into the world by Adam's sin~he was not created with sin in his members". But romans 5:12 doesn't actually say that. In fact, It doesn't actually say any of that stuff you wrote. As I said, nearly all just conjecture--not scripture, just conjecture.
Jim, I did not desire to write more than I did, but, if you think I should, then I will.
 
If you have something worthy to be spoken, by all means, speak, if not, it would show wisdom on your part to remain silent, for when you generally speak, there's nothing profitable to the hearer's thereof. Are you part of the EOC?

Here... let me "spell it out for you".......

You said everything that God created was good. Yet, we can clearly see that Adam was alone. God said it wasn't good for Adam to be alone. God even "tried" to comfort Adam in his condition by creating "help meets"

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Notice how God tried to comfort Adam before creating Eve.

You need to reconsider your position that include these facts. Bash all you want. You're wrong and you know you're wrong. Doesn't matter if you've been wrong for 50 years. You're still wrong.

Innocence is innocence but it is not completeness.
 
You're wrong.

The truth matters, and God will always witness to it.

Many Calvinists will all be accountable for resisting the Spirit.
Nope Calvinists believe that’s irresistible:
... and yet: I am still not a Calvinist. I am a Particular Baptist. My source is not from the Reformers like John Calvin or even early church writers like Augustine. Baptists owe more to Gutenberg and John Wycliffe and William Tyndale for providing mass copies of scripture in vernacular English. We are an anti-establishment, Sola Scriptura, grass-roots populist movement.
I'm not sure why you are being called one when you have made your position clear.
 
Here... let me "spell it out for you".......

You said everything that God created was good. Yet, we can clearly see that Adam was alone. God said it wasn't good for Adam to be alone. God even "tried" to comfort Adam in his condition by creating "help meets"

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Notice how God tried to comfort Adam before creating Eve.

You need to reconsider your position that include these facts. Bash all you want. You're wrong and you know you're wrong. Doesn't matter if you've been wrong for 50 years. You're still wrong.

Innocence is innocence but it is not completeness.
At the end of the sixth day all was created and God saw that it was "very" good.
 
I will not finish your post today, but will certainly do so, the Lord willing by tomorrow.

Studyman, I see you still have trouble being honest, which for a man that claims he can live without sinning,
puts you into the company of Pharisees that the Jesus Jesus warned his disciples of. No one is mocking God, but will expose men who trust in themselves that they are righteous will despising others and their truth.

Luke 18:11​

“The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.”

Your confidence is more in your flesh, than trusting solely in Jesus as the surety of God's elect ~ his faith, obedience, and righteousness secured for his elect and we in him as members of his elect body.

All, who teach that in his flesh, he has the power to believe, repent, and live according to the word of is a two legged dog, per Paul that we are to beware of.

Galatians 2:20,21​

“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

In the new man that was created within me after the image of Jesús Christ, I live by faith, which faith, Jesus secured for each and every child of God's promises! In my flesh by nature dwelleth no good thing, this flesh is at enmity against the God of heaven, to teach otherwise is to teach another gospel that falls under God's curse. The true gospel teaches that Jesus Christ alone secured eternal life for the children of God's oath and promises.

I'm coming back in the morning.

Clearly Paul and Jesus were not Calvinists.
 
At the end of the sixth day all was created and God saw that it was "very" good.

So you don't believe Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

God made man without the women. You're ignoring this fact. Adam was incomplete and capable of sin. The fact is found in the fact that he sinned.

Men like you enjoy denying what God said. You prefer your own narrative to what God said.
 
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Jim, I did not desire to write more than I did, but, if you think I should, then I will.
No, I am not looking for more. I am just suggesting that so much of what you profess to be scriptural is not; rather, it is only conjecture by you that it means what you say it means. In fact, there is nothing in all of the Bible that says that Adam's spiritual condition at creation was any different than our spiritual condition at birth. I understand that you believe there was, but the Bible never says so. When the Bible says that sin entered the world, you interpret that to mean that sin entered the whole of mankind; but it doesn't say that. You do. And when it says that death spread to all men, you interpret that to mean it spread from Adam; but it doesn't say that. When the Bible says in Genesis that "God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good", you interpret that to mean something more that it says. You have decided that "very good" that means something different or in addition to what it actually says.

I suggest that is the situation for so much of the soteriology of Reformed Theology. I suggest that is true for all of TULIP. I will note that such conjecture is not unique to Reformed Theology, but it is characteristic of Reformed Theology. I, of course, am guilty of that as well in some things.
 
Most people try to hide that they believe God chose them personally before the foundation of the world. I've been around such my entire adult life. Very few want to talk about it. Especially among Baptist. They will lose their influence if they do.

Lots of Arminians believe this. I believe God chose me before the foundation of the world.

It's nothing distinctive to Calvinism, which teaches God created some people for hell and there is no actual free will.
 
Lots of Arminians believe this. I believe God chose me before the foundation of the world.

It's nothing distinctive to Calvinism, which teaches God created some people for hell and there is no actual free will.
So you believe God chose unbelievers to remain in unbelief ?

There is no such thing as single predestination. It’s double or nothing.
 
So you believe God chose unbelievers to remain in unbelief ?

There is no such thing as single predestination. It’s double or nothing.

I've seen all kinds of excuses in my life for this....

It is just another area where Arminians and Calvinist overlap with one another. Total Depravity is another.
 
Particular Baptists are similar in belief to Hyper-Calvinists if you weren't aware.

Not all of them agree. Very few Baptist will recognize any roots of belief coming from Protestantism.

James White has even stated that Calvin would probably have him killed over what he believes.

Most Baptist can't get along. Same thing is true of Methodists.
 
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