The false Gospel that the Jewish religion is the "root" of the vine.......

[praise_yeshua]

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

No creature is worthy to be referenced a the "root" of the vine

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

The false gospel that came out the "Jews religion" is that the race/ethnic children of Abraham are the "root" of salvation for all nations of the earth.

This dishonors Jesus Christ. There is no other creature but Jesus Christ worthy. The use of the word "root" is found throughout Scriptures. In the context of Romans 11:16-18 it is clear that the "Jews" are the branches.... NOT THE ROOT. The branches.

The branches were broken off........

READ it again......you will find.....Boast not against the branches......And if some of the branches be broken off, so are the branches.

In Christ, all the branches are holy because of Christ.

Anything other than these facts is a false gospel that demands a curse......

This is important enough to repeat twice.....

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[David Koberstein]

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

No creature is worthy to be referenced a the "root" of the vine

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

The false gospel that came out the "Jews religion" is that the race/ethnic children of Abraham are the "root" of salvation for all nations of the earth.

This dishonors Jesus Christ. There is no other creature but Jesus Christ worthy. The use of the word "root" is found throughout Scriptures. In the context of Romans 11:16-18 it is clear that the "Jews" are the branches.... NOT THE ROOT. The branches.

The branches were broken off........

READ it again......you will find.....Boast not against the branches......And if some of the branches be broken off, so are the branches.

In Christ, all the branches are holy because of Christ.

Anything other than these facts is a false gospel that demands a curse......

This is important enough to repeat twice.....

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The Jewish patriarch's are the root of the Olive Tree Theology. Believing Gentiles are grafted in to the Olive Tree.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

The Jewish patriarch's are the root of the Olive Tree Theology. Believing Gentiles are grafted in to the Olive Tree.
Shalom

Not true at all.

Did you read the verses I posted? The root is Christ.

Why are you ashamed of Christ? Why do you keep trying to replace Him with much lesser men?

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

 

[David Koberstein]

Nobody is replacing anybody. The root of the Olive Tree are the patriarchs Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. The true vine is Yeshua Hamashiach. Why don't you understand this?
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

Nobody is replacing anybody. The root of the Olive Tree are the patriarchs Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. The true vine is Yeshua Hamashiach. Why don't you understand this?
Shalom

Jesus can't be the vine and not be the root...... Do you not realize the root of a vine is just a vine underground. You can break off a vine and plant it anywhere.

You're replacing Jesus with lesser men.

I hope you realize that the NT wasn't written with "chapter/verse" distinctions. Paul is appealing back what he had just said in what we now reference as Romans 10.

You dishonor Jesus Christ by insisting Jesus is subservient in rank to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You might want to bring your Rabbi into this conversation......

 

[David Koberstein]

Jesus can't be the vine and not be the root...... Do you not realize the root of a vine is just a vine underground. You can break off a vine and plant it anywhere.

You're replacing Jesus with lesser men.

I hope you realize that the NT wasn't written with "chapter/verse" distinctions. Paul is appealing back what he had just said in what we now reference as Romans 10.

You dishonor Jesus Christ by insisting Jesus is subservient in rank to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

I'm not dishonored anybody. I'm talking about an Olive Tree and your talking about a vine. Big difference. You can break off a vine, but you just can't plant it anywhere. You need to study horticulture.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm not dishonored anybody. I'm talking about an Olive Tree and your talking about a vine. Big difference. You can break off a vine, but you just can't plant it anywhere. You need to study horticulture.
Shalom

I've grown more vines in my life than you ever have......

You mentioned the vine. Do you remember this?

Again. You're placing Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as the root of a the Olive tree. You then mentioned Jesus being "just a vine".......

See how you're dishonoring Jesus Christ?

Olive trees are planted in vineyards.............

Olive trees come from seeds. Who is the "seed"? Is it Christ? Roots come from seed. Vines come from seeds. Trees come from seeds. You're placing Abraham, Isaac and Jacob BETWEEN Christ and Gentiles.

That is not true. It is a false damnable Gospel.

You need your Rabbi.

 

[David Koberstein]

I've grown more vines in my life than you ever have......

You mentioned the vine. Do you remember this?

Again. You're placing Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as the root of a the Olive tree. You then mentioned Jesus being "just a vine".......

See how you're dishonoring Jesus Christ?

Olive trees are planted in vineyards.............

Olive trees come from seeds. Who is the "seed"? Is it Christ? Roots come from seed. Vines come from seeds. Trees come from seeds. You're placing Abraham, Isaac and Jacob BETWEEN Christ and Gentiles.

That is not true. It is a false damnable Gospel.

You need your Rabbi. First lie. You have not grown more vines than me. Because you don't know me.

You need more than a rabbi. First lie and false assumption. Since you don't know me how did you make the determination that you have grown more vines than me? I am not dishonoring anyone only pointing out your warped misunderstanding and misapplication of biblical truth.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

You need more than a rabbi. First lie and false assumption. Since you don't know me how did you make the determination that you have grown more vines than me? I am not dishonoring anyone only pointing out your warped misunderstanding and misapplication of biblical truth.
Shalom

Easy determination. If you had you would understand how seeds, vines, and trees work. I am assuming you have basic understanding to the point of being able to learn from what is around you. Maybe you don't.

It is rather obvious you don't know how this works.

You're embarrassing yourself again. You believe what your Rabbi teaches you. You're not your own person. You are a slave to your Rabbi.

I'd rather speak to your Rabbi than to deal with his slave.

 

[David Koberstein]

Easy determination. If you had you would understand how seeds, vines, and trees work. I am assuming you have basic understanding to the point of being able to learn from what is around you. Maybe you don't.

It is rather obvious you don't know how this works.

You're embarrassing yourself again. You believe what you Rabbi teaches you. You're not your own person. You are a slave to your Rabbi.

I'd rather speak to you Rabbi than to deal with his slave.

Now you had lowered yourself into immature name calling. Because you can't win an argument. For your small minded information I grew up on a large farm where we kosherly slaughtered our cattle. We grew organic alfalfa for the horse farms and race tracks in New Jersey. You are very misguided in your thinking and limited thought process. I will caution you President Trump just signed an executive order for eliminating and combating antisemitism so tread highly.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

Now you had lowered yourself into immature name calling. Because you can't win an argument. For your small minded information I grew up on a large farm where we kosherly slaughtered our cattle. We grew organic alfalfa for the horse farms and race tracks in New Jersey. You are very misguided in your thinking and limited thought process. I will caution you President Trump just signed an executive order for eliminating and combating antisemitism so tread highly.
Shalom

So where are vines and trees in your experience? Your experience with "alfalfa" doesn't match the context of your conversation. I'm not the one with the issue here. My grandparents where tenant farmers. I was raised by my grandparents and mother.

I'm not antisemitic. You have equal rights to all things but you're not any better than any other human being. You believe that you are. If those claiming Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would humble themselves and believe they're no better than the remainder of this world, I wouldn't have a problem. My problem is what you teach others.

 

[David Koberstein]

So where are vines and trees in your experience? Your experience with "alfalfa" doesn't match the context of your conversation. I'm not the one with the issue here. My grandparents where tenant farmers. I was raised by my grandparents and mother.

I'm not antisemitic. You have equal rights to all things but you're not any better than any other human being. You believe that you are. If those claiming Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would humble themselves and believe they're no better than the remainder of this world, I wouldn't have a problem. My problem is what you teach others.

You will get over your problem. Most Gentile people do. Of all the ethnicities the Jewish people are the most talented high skill set people. You can see Jewish influence all through our society. The Jewish people have blessed others and are a light to the nations. That is Adonai's purpose for the Jewish people. When Adonai wanted to send his son into the world to redeem mankind, of all the ethnicities he chose the Jewish people. God has highly favored the Jewish people even though we have disappointed Adonai. We are still his chosen people. The Bible is a Jewish book, not a Gentile book.
It needs to be read in that perspective.
Back to your vines. There are some vines you can't grow here in North Carolina that I could grow in Pennsylvania. For instance, I can't grow rhubarb in the Gentile red clay here in North Carolina like I could in.rich black dirt of Pennsylvania. You need to see your state agriculture department and sign up for a horticulture course.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

You will get over your problem. Most Gentile people do. Of all the ethnicities the Jewish people are the most talented high skill set people. You can see Jewish influence all through our society. The Jewish people have blessed others and are a light to the nations. That is Adonai's purpose for the Jewish people. When Adonai wanted to send his son into the world to redeem mankind, of all the ethnicities he chose the Jewish people. God has highly favored the Jewish people even though we have disappointed Adonai. We are still his chosen people. The Bible is a Jewish book, not a Gentile book.
It needs to be read in that perspective.
Back to your vines. There are some vines you can't grow here in North Carolina that I could grow in Pennsylvania. For instance, I can't grow rhubarb in the Gentile red clay here in North Carolina like I could in.rich black dirt of Pennsylvania. You need to see your state agriculture department and sign up for a horticulture course.
Shalom

Gentile red clay.......So Pennsylvania is Jewish black dirt?

You continue to prove what everyone knows about those who claim to be "Jews". You have a superiority complex where you believe all others will come and bow at your feet. You seek to rule mankind.

Christ rules. You're not honoring Jesus Christ. You just keep talking about yourself.

 

[David Koberstein]

Gentile red clay.......So Pennsylvania is Jewish black dirt?

You continue to prove what everyone knows about those who claim to be "Jews". You have a superiority complex where you believe all others will come and bow at your feet. You seek to rule mankind.

Christ rules. You're not honoring Jesus Christ. You just keep talking about yourself.

I don't have a superiority complex. I'm just stating the obvious. I don't want anyone bowing at my feet. But they need to bow at the Jewish rabbis feet Yeshua Hamashiach.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

I don't have a superiority complex. I'm just stating the obvious. I don't want anyone bowing at my feet. But they need to bow at the Jewish rabbis feet Yeshua Hamashiach.
Shalom

Sure you do. You see it everything you write. You even see yourself as the "humblest" among men. You certainly are proud of your racial and cultural heritage.

 

[David Koberstein]

Sure you do. You see it everything you write. You even see yourself as the "humblest" among men. You certainly are proud of your racial and cultural heritage.

I am proud of my culture and ethnicity. There again this is your distorted opinion.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

I am proud of my culture and ethnicity. There again this is your distorted opinion.
Shalom

Pride goes before a what?

Pro 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

 

[David Koberstein]

Pride goes before a what?

Pro 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

So you are reading from a Jewish book.
Try and learn something. The Jewish people and their writings are filled with wisdom and understanding.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

So you are reading from a Jewish book.
Try and learn something. The Jewish people and their writings are filled with wisdom and understanding.
Shalom

You sound just like Tovia Singer.