What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?
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civic
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Nope Paul declared last of all He appeared to him. See 1 Cor 15:1-8
civic
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Yep the miracle gifts do not exist they died out with the Apostle’s
We need to understand that healings, even in the Bible, are very rare indeed. For the first 2,500 years of biblical history, there is no mention of any healings whatsoever. Then during the life of Abraham we have a possible healing, although it is only implied (Genesis 12:17–20). Then we have to wait until the life of Moses, who performs a number of signs to authenticate his authority as God’s leader. However, the only healing associated with Moses is Miriam’s cleansing from leprosy (Numbers 12:13–15).
In the covenant God gave to Israel, there were a number of provisions to regulate their lives, and there is an emphasis on physicality and material things in the Old Testament. In Deuteronomy 28, God promises to reward Israel’s faithfulness with freedom from disease. This is the clue to the meaning of miracles in the Bible. God promised Israel health, long life, children, flocks, corn, grapes, etc.—and victory over their enemies—if they stayed faithful to the Lord. At the same time, God threatened them with sickness, barrenness, disease, drought, famine, the loss of livestock, and enemy occupation if they forsook the Lord. This is the context of Israel’s relationship with sickness and healing. The promise to be kept “free from every disease” in Deuteronomy 7:15 was specifically part of the Mosaic Covenant with Israel under the theocracy; such a promise is not given to the church.
With the coming of Christ, we have the fulfillment of the Mosaic Covenant (Matthew 5:17) and a reversal of the effects of Israel’s spiritual backslidings. Wherever Christ went, He healed the sick, but this was not just because of kindness on His part; His healings were always a sign from heaven of Christ’s authority as Messiah (John 7:31). He was giving Israel a taste of the kingdom of God (Luke 11:20). Those who refused His authority were often left sick (Matthew 13:58). At the pool of Bethsaida, for example, Jesus healed only one in a huge multitude (John 5).
The apostles were also given the specific power to heal the sick, and for thirty-seven years they went everywhere healing those who heard their message. Again, their miracles, including healing, were confirmation of the truth of the gospel the apostles proclaimed.
The twelve apostles did not heal everyone, either. Often, there were Christians left unwell in spite of the apostolic power. Paul says to Timothy, “Use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses” (1 Timothy 5:23). Why didn’t Paul just lay hands on Timothy and heal him? It wasn’t because Timothy didn’t have enough faith; it was because it was not God’s will to heal Timothy that way. The healing ministry was not for anyone’s personal convenience; rather, it was a sign from God—to the Jews of the Old Covenant primarily—of the validity of the apostles’ message.
We are not living in the apostolic days today. Of course, God can and does heal today when He wants to. The question we need to ask in any given situation is, what does God want? Does He desire to heal the individual in this life, or does He have another plan to show His glory through weakness? Someday, all sickness and death will be eradicated (see Revelation 21:4). Joni Eareckson Tada will walk again. Until then, there is a greater healing, the cleansing of sinful hearts, that God performs every day.
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Dizerner
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I guess he bopped back down real quick, eh.
civic
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He is God and does whatever He pleases. Who are you oh man
civic
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Biblical Historical Facts about miracles. Moses declared the Law, Elijah and Elisha the Prophets. Daniel with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the furnace and also Jonah and Joshua in Jericho. Then we see nothing till Jesus 3year period of ministry with the New Covenant. The purpose of signs, wonder, and miracles was to authenticate the messenger and the message. This was necessary because God's written revelation was yet incomplete. Christ performed many miracles and signs which the Apostle John describes with these words: Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name (John 20:30-31). Notice, the miracles of Jesus gave authentication.
Matt 11:3-6
and said to Him, "Are You the Expected One, or shall we look for someone else?" 4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and report to John what you hear and see: 5 the blind receive sight and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, and the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 "And blessed is he who keeps from stumbling over Me."
Mark 4:35-41
35 And on that day, when evening had come, He said to them, "Let us go over to the other side." 36 And leaving the multitude, they took Him along with them, just as He was, in the boat; and other boats were with Him. 37 And there arose a fierce gale of wind, and the waves were breaking over the boat so much that the boat was already filling up. 38 And He Himself was in the stern, asleep on the cushion; and they awoke Him and said to Him, "Teacher, do You not care that we are perishing?" 39 And being aroused, He rebuked the wind and said to the sea, "Hush, be still." And the wind died down and it became perfectly calm. 40 And He said to them, "Why are you so timid? How is it that you have no faith?" 41 And they became very much afraid and said to one another, "Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?"
Luke 8:52-56
52 Now they were all weeping and lamenting for her; but He said, "Stop weeping, for she has not died, but is asleep." 53 And they began laughing at Him, knowing that she had died. 54 He, however, took her by the hand and called, saying, "Child, arise!" 55 And her spirit returned, and she rose immediately; and He gave orders for something to be given her to eat. 56 And her parents were amazed; but He instructed them to tell no one what had happened.
Acts 3:6-9
6 But Peter said, "I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene — walk!" 7 And seizing him by the right hand, he raised him up; and immediately his feet and his ankles were strengthened. 8 And with a leap, he stood upright and began to walk; and he entered the temple with them, walking and leaping and praising God. 9
Acts 9:34-35
34 And Peter said to him, "Aeneas, Jesus Christ heals you; arise, and make your bed." And immediately he arose. 35 And all who lived at Lydda and Sharon saw him, and they turned to the Lord.
Rom 15:18-20
18 For I will not presume to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me, resulting in the obedience of the Gentiles by word and deed, 19 in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and round about as far as Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
2 Cor 12:12
12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and miracles.
hope this helps !!!
praise_yeshua
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So God spoke to you without the Gospel?
praise_yeshua
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I've never meet someone with the power of the apostles.
civic
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Exactly it doesn’t exist.
atpollard
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Yup. (and that is 'nuff said 'bout that ... cause it is all about HIM and not about ME ... Soli Deo Gloria!)
atpollard
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Of course, I have never met someone that has been to North Korea ... but I am pretty sure North Korea still exists.
[I am only saying that "absence of proof is not proof of absence".]
atpollard
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I think that definition places Cessationism at the Death and Resurrection of Jesus ... Paul and Mathias were not "exactly like the other 11 apostles", were they?
... and THAT is why I am a Particular Baptist!
[we don't need no stinkin' Calvin, we got Sola Scriptira!] 
I not sure what God's immutability has to do with Adam's sinning. If God's immutability caused Adam to sin, is that what causes us to sin? IF not, why not? How about animals, does God's immutability cause animals to sin? If not, why not?
Under the New Covenant, God's grace of the free gift of eternal life is obtained through faith, our faith. That is available because of the obedience of Jesus Cross. Actually that was true under the Old Covenant also and even before. Abraham was Justified by grace through faith. That was the whole point of Paul's argument in Romans 4.
(KJV) Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Yes, we are born with a sinful nature, which is nothing more that the free will to choose either to obey or disobey God's law. Clearly Adam was created with a sinful nature; since if he wasn't created with a sinful nature, he would not have sinned. He was obviously created with the ability to choose whether or not to obey God. With respect to eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, he chose to disobey God.
Jeremiah, after rethinking this to see if I could indeed answer your post without redirecting its purpose, I think I can and should.
You said you find no covenant between God and non-Hebrews Gentiles in the scriptures. Regradless what you believe and how far you attempt to prove your doctrine of pure Judaism in its nature, there are only two classes of people in the world biblically speaking ~ Jews and Gentiles; you have invented a third group Hebrews Gentiles.
I will answer you with unequivocally.....yes I do. Jesus speaking to Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews, said these famous words:
John 3:16,17
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. or God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”This is a true bible declaration from the lips of the Son of God, concerning God's love for the world, and the word world meaning.... Jews and Gentiles. Gentiles being people "not of" Abraham's natural seed.
Jesus, a Jew came revealing to Nicodemus, who also was Jews by nature, that God's love was not limited to the Jewish race, as many thought and as you believe, but his love is for Jews and Gentiles and among each of them, he has an elect people. Consider:
God is not the God of the Jews only, you believe and labor to teach, but he is the God of the Gentiles nations as well unto all that believe and love him.
Romans 3:29
“Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:”Romans 9:24
“Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?”Trying to get men like you to answer those four simple questions ~ that within itself is showing it to be a complicated job. What's the problem, why run from this? If not running, you do give every indication that you are by not answering what was put before you. Once more:
Jim, as I said, God alone is immutable, he cannot sin, neither can be tempted to do so. Angels and man are not so~this truth is seen by the creation of both, when left to their "own" power.
I did not say it caused Adam to sin, I said he did not posses the God's infinite attribute of immutability.
Jim, you are so wrong ~ first, it is not just available, Jesus Christ secured all we need to have eternal life in the world to come, by himself. This is the difference between the two covenants, the first of works, which we could not keep in the first Adam.... and the second covenant of free grace, which Christ as our surety fulfilled for us perfectly, and we in him.
Jim, the Jesus you preached, only half way provided the possibility of salvation for sinners, the main part is left up to sinners coming to Christ by their so-called power and will, which goes against so much of God's testimony concerning the gospel of His Son.
I may consider Romans four later today in a separate post.
Jim, what are you talking about? Born with a sinful nature does not equate that that nature is free to choose to obey righteousness, that is impossible according to the scriptures. Born of flesh means just the opposite of what you are saying.
Adam was not created with a sinful nature! He was created without a sinful nature, and then left to the power of that nature to obey God, without God assisting him to be obedience. After God created our first parents he saw that it was very good, nothing sinful about God's creation, that's a lie of Satan.
Ecclesiastes 7:29
“Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.”Jim, you need to rethink your gospel that you have come to embrace, it is against God's testimony, at almost every turn.
civic
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Jesus said no man has ever heard the Fathers voice nor seen Him.
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known
John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen,
John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
1 Tim 1:17
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Tim 6:13-16
I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time — God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
1 John 4:12
12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
next fallacy .
Jim, for now, I will just add a few more thoughts on this point. I have more than once explained Romans 4:5 along with Galatians 3:6, and other places the phrase is used.
By faith we know ourselves to be sons of God. Faith makes us not sons, but predestination.
Romans 8:29
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son.”
We were made the sons of God when we were predestinated.
Ephesians 1:5
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,”By being given to Christ, we became sons, and brethren to Christ, (Johnn.17:6; Isaiah 8:18; Hebrews 2:13,etc.) We were given to Christ before Christ died.
Hebrews 2;10,11
“For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the Captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.”
For he that is set apart, and they that are set apart are one, for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren. So that adoption is acceptation of us in Christ; (a manifestation and testimony of our sonship in Christ) and our being Christ’s makes us the seed; God's sons; beloved, now are we the sons of God, (Ist John.3:2; etc.) And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise; (Gal.3:29) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Gal.3:16)
Therefore, it is not our believing, for adoption is "without and before our believing". (Eph.1:5,6; Heb.2:10) Adoption is before our Redemption and comprehends all spiritual privileges, (blessings in Christ,) as redemption, reconciliation, justification and glorification. (Rom.3:24; 8:29,30)
The elect were sons before they believed; “and because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts;” (Gal.4:6, etc.) unless they could believe without the Spirit, which is impossible. (Gal.5:22) So, they were sons before they believed; and because they were sons, God sent them the Spirit of His Son so that by him they might believe and know that they were sons, both then, and before they believed.
And so to say that they did not appear to be sons until they believed, is true, but to say that the elect are not one with Christ and not sons until they believe, and that believing makes them sons, is to say our believing makes Christ ours. This we cannot support from God's testimony; for this is to set faith above Christ and makes our happiness to depend not upon Christ, but upon faith; making faith give us our interest and union with Christ, so that unless we believe, Christ is not ours, nor is to no purpose. So then Christ died for the sins of no man, or so died for men’s sins, as He saved no man by His blood; and so Christ must die for us, but our faith must save us. Many make Christ a servant to wait and tend upon faith, and to be at the command of faith. This we may not bear, it brings no joy and peace to our conscience or any man as far as that goes.
