What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

[Red Baker]

1 Corinthians 9:16​

“For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!”

The gospel........ the word gospel is used around one hundred times throughout the scriptures, and most of the time the word simply means, any truth that is being preach at the moment the word is being used, is considered the gospel ~ or, the truth concerning that subject under consideration.
When the phrase, the gospel of Christ/God are used, then it would have reference to the teaching of the good news concerning Jesus Christ concerning his redemption work which he undertook for God's elect. Anyone can do their own word study here: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=woe+unto+me+if+I+preach+not+teh+gospel

Let us consider the gospel that Paul wrote about to the churches of Galatia.

Galatians 2:2​

“And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.”

We want to consider the gospel Paul considered the true gospel, and that one he considered another gospel, one that he pronounced a curse upon. I would think all of us would desire only the true gospel that the apostles taught, and would greatly desire to avoid another gospel, lest we all run in vain. We all should have the same spirit Paul had, and refuse to give in to any gospel being preached other than what we find here in the epistle to the churches of Galatia, so that we like Paul, would make sure the truth of the gospel continue as pure as we have power to keep it pure. We can never give up this fight, never.

Galatians 2:5​

“To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.” Paul even refuse to give in to Peter, one of the pillars of the first church in Jerusalem.

Galatians 2:11​

“But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision."

Not only Peter, but even Barnabas was even carried away, and moved from the pure truth of the gospel, thinking in order to be saved by God, then they had to adhere to certain dietary laws, etc. In other words, they had to include their own works of the flesh, adding to what Christ had totally secured for them by being their surety before the law of God.

Galatians 2:13​

“And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.”

Which will bring us up to one of the most important scripture in the NT, if not the entire Bible, that reveals to us the truth of the true gospel of Christ.

Galatians 2:16​

“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

We will come back to this scripture later and consider in depth.

 

[Jim]

Only the ones you read behind. I can prove this was not the case back many hundred's years ago. I have proof if you would only read them.
http://www.mercyuponall.org/pdfs-cl...ichardson-justification-by-christ-alone-1647/ One on the best articles I have read, but there many others.

I am reading Richardson's article now.

Red, I think it is a very bad analysis of the subject of justification. But I am beginning to see, perhaps, where you get some of your wrong ideas if you think that is a good article.

In Chapter three, The Place Of Faith In Justification, Richardson writes the following,

1: The word Faith is diversely understood. Sometimes by faith is meant knowledge, Rom. 14:22. And sometimes faith is meant the doctrine of faith, Jude 3. So also for the profession of faith, Rom. 1:8. Thus, Simon Magus believed. Also, by faith we are to understand the power by which we believe, Gal. 5:22. Sometimes by the word faith, we are to understand Christ, Rom. 4:13; Gal. 3:16 with 19-23. Ten times at least in this chapter, the word Faith is put for Christ.

So much of that is just wrong. In Romans 14:22, Paul is not speaking about knowledge; rather he is speaking about what you believe about eating meat or drinking wine that might cause another to stumble. Believe is the perfectly good translation/interpretation of the Greek word "pistis". It does not mean knowledge. It means belief, faith.

In Jude 3, the faith there does, I think, mean the religion of the gospel message, the process whereby God redeems mankind. However, in Romans 1:8 it does not refer to the religion; Paul says there, "your faith", meaning what they believe, and specifically their belief, their faith in Jesus Christ which Paul calls, in verse 12, the "mutual faith both of you and me".

In Galatians 5:22, Richardson rests his argument on the inappropriate KJV translation of the Greek word pistis as faith, rather than the appropriate translation as faithfulness as in the better modern English versions.

In Romans 4:13, faith is faith in God, in Christ, in the Gospel. The promise to Abraham does not come by the law, but by faith, our faith. And in Galatians 3:16, there is no mention of the word faith.

And finally in Galatians 3, the word faith is NOT put for Christ. It every case, except a couple, it means faith in Christ, our belief in Christ as the Son of God, our Lord and Savior. In a couple of places, for example in 3:25, "faith" can be taken to mean the religion of the gospel. But nowhere is the word faith ever a substitute for Christ.

I will continue reading Richardson. But I will do so, knowing up front that his misappropriate use/interpretation of the word "faith" has caused him to stumble greatly.

And I would add that Richardson has the same incorrect concept of works as in "not by works" as you have expressed. Yes, faith is a work, but it is not a work of law which is what Paul is talking about when he says that we are not saved by works.

 

[jeremiah1five]

What is the "another gospel" Saul mentions in this passage?

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another ["heteros"] gospel:
7 Which is not another; ["allos"] but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:6–9.

allos means "another of the same kind." It is like having five writing pens that are all of the same color, length, maker.

heteros means "another of a different kind." It is like having five writing pens of different color, length, and make. Five pens but one is a Pentel, another is a Cross, one is a Bic, etc.

The context of Saul's words can only mean Judaism of the letter of the Law (heteros), and Judaism of the spirit of the Law (allos.)

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another ["heteros"] gospel (meaning Judaism of the letter of the Law):
7 Which is not another; ["allos"] (meaning Judaism of the spirit of the Law) but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Writing to Hellenized Jews in the Galatian region who were not part of the remnant that returned to Jerusalem these are Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture. The remnant (about 10%) returned around 522 BC but the majority (about 90%) of Jews remained scattered throughout Gentile lands and heavily influenced by7 Greek culture and were mostly of mixed heritage having had their parents and their parents parents, etc., who married with non-Hebrews (some could have been married with descendants of Ishmael and Esau, or with other non-Hebrew Gentiles and for the succeeding generations (522 years' worth) for all intents and purposes were of "Gentile" stock and lost their Judaic heritage and were most likely uncircumcised. These conditions carried over generation after generation for about 15-20 generations in those 500 years. But they were still Abraham's seed and when they started becoming born-again and saved there were some (actually, one) person who would come into a fellowship after Saul left an area and teach the Jewish Christians that they also had to be circumcised in order to be truly saved.

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? Gal. 3:1.

The "who" in this passage is in the singular meaning one person was following Saul around and when they had opportunity would teach the Gentile-raised Jewish Christians they also had to be circumcised in order to truly be saved. It may have been one person who did the teaching but he mostly travelled with one or more other Judaizers from Jerusalem - most likely sent by James - who followed-up Saul and taught them to be circumcised. No one who was of the Hebrew religion would ever teach non-Hebrew Gentiles in circumcision, so these had to be Gentile-raised Jews. They were, after all, in Gentile land(s) and the gospel was of Jewish origin.

So, the "another" gospel was another of a different kind (letter of the Law) than what Saul taught which was NOT "another" of the same kind, meaning Judaism of the spirit (spirit of the Law.) This is mentioned here:

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Gal. 3:2–3.

The Gentile-raised JewishChristians were the ones who suggested that Saul go up to Jerusalem to discuss the issue with the apostles and the elders there.

1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. Acts 15:1–2.

Now, it must be understood that the first Christians were three thousand fully Jewish men and women which were born-again at Pentecost. They were already circumcised and went to Jerusalem for the Feast of Harvest traveling from Gentile lands who retained their Jewish heritage and the things of God. But when the good news went into Gentile lands where Hellenized Jews were and were being born again, misinformed Jews followed Saul and taught circumcision to these Gentile-raise Jews who were born-again by the Spirit.

Since they were all Jews, they problem arose when some sent by James taught the brethren they had to be circumcised (Acts 15:1) in order to truly be saved and this pissed-off Saul. Saul's understanding of the "revelations" he received through study of the Hebrew Scripture (not of man) understood that when a person is born-again, they have been justified by God as having fulfilled and obeyed every aspect of the Law of Moses. These circumcised Jewish Christians who were born-again were "zealous of the Law" as written by Luke in Acts 21:

17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:17–20.

They were "zealous" of the Law as Jewish Christians because they understood their justification and also understood sanctification which the Spirit made them love the Law because of their new spirit of the Law perspective. But the Gentile-raised Jewish Christians that were uncircumcised were seen by Judaizers that they needed to be circumcised to be truly saved. This was the "another of a different kind" of Christianity, one that required circumcision. But it wasn't "another of the same kind" of Christianity Saul taught. What effect the Holy Spirit had upon these Jews who were circumcised and became born-again, and these Gentile-raised Jewish Christians had was a love for the Law of Moses now that they understood the spirit of the Law, the same spirit of the Law Jesus taught and what Saul taught for even Saul maintained his rabbinical and Pharisaic traditions even after he became born-again:

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:24.

A decision was reached at the Jerusalem Council that these Gentile-raised born-again, uncircumcised, Jewish Christians did not have to be circumcised but that as Jews still were required to follow four aspects of the Law of Moses:

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:29.

No Jew or Jewish Christian would even ask non-Hebrew Gentiles to obey anything of the Law of Moses. This is why these were NOT non-Hebrew Gentiles, but Gentile-raised, Hellenized Jews who were uncircumcision and lost their Jewish heritage being raised in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture for about 15-20 generations who did not return with the remnant back to Jerusalem to rebuild the wall of the city, etc.

"Another of a different kind (Judaism with circumcision)" against "another of the same kind (Judaism without circumcision)" since they were all Jews in the final conclusion. One was letter of the Law; the other was spirit of the Law in which if these uncircumcised Gentile-raised Jews were already born of the Spirit of Promise then circumcision wasn't necessary. This was the Judaism Saul taught as the New Covenant included them as well. They were the seed of Abraham no matter the dilution of their DNA.

 

[Studyman]

Greetings Studyman,

Your post was well written and true, but it is not concerning the subject at hand and I do not believe it is what Paul meant when he said:

Romans 1:17​

“For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”

I have found that in the religious sects and businesses of this world God placed me in, there are a lot of people who "come in Christ's Name", who don't believe what Paul said concerning the Gospel of the Christ "of the bible". They don't believe or teach others that the foundation Paul laid, had already been laid years before he was called into service. I can't think of very many things more important than understand what the gospel of Christ actually is. This post isn't a reflection of you, so please don't take it personally. It's me sharing an upstanding of Scriptures gained from study, apart from all the other voices in the garden God placed me in, who profess to know God.

1 Cor. 3: 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward "according to his own labour". 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. 10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is (Already) laid, which is Jesus Christ.

And he clearly warned men about the importance of the Gospel of Christ "he" promoted.

1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

So clearly the "righteousness of God", revealed within the Gospel of Christ, was given to Israel. So according to the religious sects and businesses of this world, Israel should be all set. But if a person listens to what Paul actually teaches, that is not the case.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

So consider what Paul is saying here. 600,000 men believed in the Passover, agree to walk in the righteousness of God, but only 2, Caleb and Joshua made it to the promised land. Truly Jesus remembered this Truth of the Gospel when HE said, "For many are called, but few are chosen".

And why did this happen to them? Paul explains this as well in Roman's 1.

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him "not as God", neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 "Professing themselves" to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God "into an image" made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

And now here I am, born into a world with massive religious businesses and sects with their 501 c3's and manmade shrines of worship. Preaching to the world that God created Laws impossible to obey, a Yoke of Bondage, that HE laid it on the necks of men who trusted Him, then lied to these men by telling them they could obey Him, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't. They also preach, by twisting David and Paul's Words, that God was not ever capable of bringing even ONE Sinner into His Righteousness, "No not One"! Another popular but insidious falsehood, according to Scriptures.

So they created an image of God in the likeness of some very handsome, long-haired man, called it Jesus, and preach to the world that this image came to save mankind from God's unjust and impossible to keep commandments, and His incompetence. All while they rejected God's Judgments and created their own, despised God's Holy Days and created their own high days, polluted His Sabbaths and created their own, all in the Name of Jesus. How many people has this "other voice" in the garden seduced into following a religious system of this world where Gods Word is taught to be not trustworthy. And is it just a coincidence that Eve was seduced into believing the same exact thing? And men who would actually "Yield themselves" to Him, as Paul did and promoted, were persecuted, ridiculed and even stoned to death. And how is a man treated by this world's religions today, who "Yield themselves" to God, and their body as instruments of righteousness unto God? You can read it every day on this forum. They are called Legalists, Judaizers, anti-Christ. They are called names and slandered and condemned.

This is why I posted excerpts from the Gospel of Christ concerning the wrath of God against such a religious system.

Deut. 32: 16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. 17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. 18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking "of his sons, and of his daughters."

20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

And we are living in the results of a world where God hides His Face from men who "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate". From men who "Call Jesus Lord, Lord, but work iniquity" and are not "Doers" of His Sayings. But the Biblical Truth is, Noah existed in the same world, as did Abraham, and Caleb. Jesus Himself was placed by His Father into a world where the religious leaders of the Jews were leading God's People astray. I am born into the same world, and so are you Mr. Baker.

Such has it been since the beginning, but there is "Good News". There is an actual "Gospel of Christ" that can be found in the Holy Scriptures. And there are examples of men who denied themselves, turned away from transgressions. Men who became "Doers" of the Christ's sayings, not hearers only, who "Strive to Enter the Narrow Path" that Caleb, Abraham, Rehab, Zacharias and all the examples of Faith God gave to us, walked in. Men who do trust God, and His Salvation, who God doesn't hide His Face from.

Ez. 18: 30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; (Gospel of Christ) so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: (Gospel of Christ) for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore "turn yourselves", and live ye. (Gospel of Christ)

The Passover Lamb of God has been slain for us too, let us turn to God in belief that this is so, for the remission of our sins. Is this not Faith?

These men, like Paul, "Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of (God's) righteousness."

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Phill. 3: 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark "for the prize" of the high calling of God (Which is) in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, (As Jesus and His Father Commanded) be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

It's not as seductive as a religion that "say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you." (Jer. 23:16,17) And there is a Cost, according to Jesus and Paul. But the Labor is not in vain , in the Lord.

Phil. 3: 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that "I may win Christ",

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, (Take a goat to the Levite Priest, and kill it) which is of the law, but that which is through "the faith of Christ", the righteousness which is of God by faith (Not sacrificial "works of the Law" as the Pharisees were still promoting) As it is written in the Gospel of Christ, "Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king."

It is a good study for a man to do himself, trusting Gods Inspired Word "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness", and not a website, or some man who "Transforms himself" into an apostle of Christ, or some religious business competing with other religious businesses for contributing butts to fill the seats of their manmade shrines of worship.

And you will be ridiculed by the promoters of this world's religious system, and they will reject you and exclude you from their hundreds of differing religious clubs. But you will understand the sufferings of Christ, along with what it means to "crucify your flesh" and why Jesus said the world will hate you.

Understanding and believing Paul's teaching that the Gospel of Christ was show to Israel during the Exodus, is a great start. From here, this world's religious philosophies start to crumble. I truly hope you might consider.

 

[Studyman]

But all men do not say there is no God.

You stick to your guns Jim because you are right. Neither David, nor Paul is teaching the popular religious philosophy of this world's religious sects and businesses, that God has never brought, or is incapable of bringing, even ONE Sinner into His Righteousness, "No not One"! This philosophy is an insidious falsehood taught to us by this world's religions since both you and I were kids. It's not true, and I am so glad that you have found that to be the case as well, through your own study.

Here is what David actually said, as it seems you already know.

Psalms 14: 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

5 There were "they" (God's people) in great fear: for God is in "the generation of the righteous".

6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge.

These men do not say, as you correctly pointed out, "there is no God".

Paul also quoted David in Psalms 5.

Here what he said there as well.

Ps. 5: 5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

7 But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.

8 Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of "mine enemies"; make thy way straight before my face.

9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.

10 Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.

Here is what Paul actually said, as I'm sure you also know.

Rom. 3: 8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. (Yes, it is a sin to go about as a tale bearer among God's People)

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise:

Of course not. If Paul furthered lies about others, had the Oracles of God but didn't believe them, persecuted the Church of God, he would be subject to the same judgment and wrath of God as others who have done the same things. Paul is no better than the Pharisees, in that if he adopted their philosophies, he would share their condemnation.

for we have "before proved" (Rom. 2:5-11) both Jews and Gentiles, that they (Not "them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality")

(But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness) (They) are all "under sin";

Good for you Jim, to clear the air once and for all that Paul and David isn't describing all of humanity in Romans and Psalms. God has most certainly brought sinners into His Righteousness. Those who have repented, and "Yield themselves" unto God, and their body as instruments of righteousness unto God, are by definition, "The generation of the Righteous".

 

[Cosmo]

Progressive Christianity is a good ensample of another gospel.

“Progressive Christians view the Bible as primarily a human book and emphasize personal conscience and practices rather than certainty and beliefs,” she writes. “They are also very open to redefining, reinterpreting, or even rejecting essential doctrines of the faith like the Virgin Birth, the deity of Jesus, and his bodily resurrection”

So is "Revoice" who believe:

Whether individuals choose “gay” or “same-sex-attracted” to describe their orientation and experience is a matter of wisdom and liberty, and should not divide believers who otherwise share a commitment to historic Christian teaching about marriage and sexuality. (2 Tim. 2:14)

We believe that all Christians have been given a new spiritual identity in their union with Jesus Christ, through the work of the Holy Spirit, and as a result of their adoption by the Father as sons and daughters in God’s family. We believe that this spiritual identity constitutes the core reality of Christian existence; that it is the truest element of Christian personhood; and that it should therefore be the central feature of Christian self-understanding. As those who share one Lord, one faith, and one baptism, we believe that other features within the composite of individual identity—such as nationality, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation—do not change or add to this spiritual identity, but should be ordered in relation to this ultimate identity in Christ, which unites all within the household of God.

 

[Red Baker]

What is the "another gospel" Saul mentions in this passage?

It is not so much as in the passages of Galatians 1:6-9, but what Paul discusses from Galatians 2:15-5:4 ~ for therein, he will prove what is the true gospel, and what is "another" gospel preached by men, much like you have in this post, where you labor to teach your religion that Paul actually was saved from, thinking that the gospel is only for the Jewish people, and not for the Gentiles.

The context of Saul's words can only mean Judaism of the letter of the Law (heteros), and Judaism of the spirit of the Law (allos.)

Actually, you are reading into the scriptures what you desire for them to teach, not what they are actually saying. Paul is dealing with the subject of justification freely given by two immutable acts of God, his promises and oath ~ Galatians 4:20-31.

False brethren came in among them, teaching them the necessity of keeping the law as a means of securing eternal life for themselves.

Paul taught free justification by grace alone through Christ's faith and obedience, that the law was only a schoolmaster for the children of God's promises to teach them to put their total faith/trust in Christ, and not in themselves, and once they learn this from their schoolmaster, then the law had served its purpose with them in this respect, even though it is a perfect standard for God's children to rule their practical life as believer, just as long they did not seek to be justified by it, for by the deeds of the law no flesh shall be justified in God's sight, legally speaking.

Writing to Hellenized Jews in the Galatian region

So wrong! Paul wrote to Gentiles believers, not Jews. A true Jews is not one outwardly, but inwardly, one that is so in Spirit, not in the flesh, a Jews in the flesh means nothing to God as far as being loved, unless he is a child of God's promises and oath. God's elect are from every nation, race under heaven.

The "who" in this passage is in the singular meaning one person was following Saul around and when they had opportunity would teach the Gentile-raised Jewish Christians they also had to be circumcised in order to truly be saved.

Jeremiah, you have a very strange (false) gospel that you have limited to the natural seed of Abraham. Paul was going after false Jewish brethren, that were teaching Gentiles (non Jewish, who were not Jews by nature) that they had to keep Moses' law if they wanted to be accpeted by God and them! We shall consider Galatians three later, the Lord willing.

 

[Red Baker]

Progressive Christianity is a good ensample of another gospel.

That would be the extreme part of another gospel, but, a more subtle attempt would be like posts #65,66 where some truths are being said correctly, but still not admitting what another gospel is according to the epistles to the churches of Galatia, while all along actually prompting a gospel of works, not one of free grace. I will consider those two posts, but on a much shorter version.

 

[Red Baker]

So clearly the "righteousness of God", revealed within the Gospel of Christ, was given to Israel. So according to the religious sects and businesses of this world, Israel should be all set. But if a person listens to what Paul actually teaches, that is not the case.

It was not given so clearly as you are saying, actually the scriptures teaches otherwise.

2nd Corinthians 3:6-15~"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ . But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart."

Briefly....

Paul’s able ministry of the New Testament was far superior to any ministering of the Old Testament of any OT priest. Anyone preaching a “gospel” of legal works of Moses’ Law was a minister of death! Anyone preaching a “gospel” of legal works of Moses was preaching a perversion (Gal 1:6-9). Anyone preaching a “gospel” of legal works of Moses was preaching another gospel (11:3-4). As is plainly evident, Paul contrasted the glory of the Old Covenant to the New. His first argument, which was introduced in these scriptures,, is the superiority of life to death! The second argument, also introduced, contrasts writing in stone to spiritual writing in hearts! The third argument, seen here, contrasts the permanent New Testament to the temporary Old, which is the whole reason for their names, old and new (Hebrews 8:7-13; 9:15; 12:26-29). Israel of old, as a nation knew almost nothing of the gospel of Jesus Christ which was to be preached to all nations, a mystery hidden since the world began ~ Ephesians 3, but spoken of in their OT scriptures.

And now here I am, born into a world with massive religious businesses and sects with their 501 c3's and manmade shrines of worship. Preaching to the world that God created Laws impossible to obey, a Yoke of Bondage, that HE laid it on the necks of men who trusted Him, then lied to these men by telling them they could obey Him, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't. They also preach, by twisting David and Paul's Words, that God was not ever capable of bringing even ONE Sinner into His Righteousness, "No not One"! Another popular but insidious falsehood, according to Scriptures.

So they created an image of God in the likeness of some very handsome, long-haired man, called it Jesus, and preach to the world that this image came to save mankind from God's unjust and impossible to keep commandments, and His incompetence. All while they rejected God's Judgments and created their own, despised God's Holy Days and created their own high days, polluted His Sabbaths and created their own, all in the Name of Jesus. How many people has this "other voice" in the garden seduced into following a religious system of this world where Gods Word is taught to be not trustworthy. And is it just a coincidence that Eve was seduced into believing the same exact thing? And men who would actually "Yield themselves" to Him, as Paul did and promoted, were persecuted, ridiculed and even stoned to death. And how is a man treated by this world's religions today, who "Yield themselves" to God, and their body as instruments of righteousness unto God? You can read it every day on this forum. They are called Legalists, Judaizers, anti-Christ. They are called names and slandered and condemned.

This is true, just has nothing to do with:

What is another gospel........Is the gospel preach a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof?......... the gospel, the power of God for whom and why?

And we are living in the results of a world where God hides His Face from men who "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate". From men who "Call Jesus Lord, Lord, but work iniquity" and are not "Doers" of His Sayings. But the Biblical Truth is, Noah existed in the same world, as did Abraham, and Caleb. Jesus Himself was placed by His Father into a world where the religious leaders of the Jews were leading God's People astray. I am born into the same world, and so are you Mr. Baker.

Such has it been since the beginning, but there is "Good News". There is an actual "Gospel of Christ" that can be found in the Holy Scriptures. And there are examples of men who denied themselves, turned away from transgressions. Men who became "Doers" of the Christ's sayings, not hearers only, who "Strive to Enter the Narrow Path" that Caleb, Abraham, Rehab, Zacharias and all the examples of Faith God gave to us, walked in. Men who do trust God, and His Salvation, who God doesn't hide His Face from.

I agree overall ~but I desire for you to address: "What is another gospel........Is the gospel preach a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof?......... the gospel, the power of God for whom and why?"

Doing so, would make it clear, if you defend the true gospel as preached by Paul in the epistle to the churches of Galatia, or, do you oppose him.

Thanks for you consideration in advance.

 

[Red Baker]

You stick to your guns Jim because you are right. Neither David, nor Paul is teaching the popular religious philosophy of this world's religious sects and businesses, that God has never brought, or is incapable of bringing, even ONE Sinner into His Righteousness, "No not One"! This philosophy is an insidious falsehood taught to us by this world's religions since both you and I were kids. It's not true, and I am so glad that you have found that to be the case as well, through your own study.

Please explain what you mean: "Neither David, nor Paul is teaching the popular religious philosophy of this world's religious sects and businesses, that God has never brought, or is incapable of bringing, even ONE Sinner into His Righteousness, "No not One"! "

Thank you for your consideration, and time.

 

[Red Baker]

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise:

Of course not. If Paul furthered lies about others, had the Oracles of God but didn't believe them, persecuted the Church of God, he would be subject to the same judgment and wrath of God as others who have done the same things. Paul is no better than the Pharisees, in that if he adopted their philosophies, he would share their condemnation.

Studyman~a question for you.......What caused Paul to change from....

Galatians 1:13​

“For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:”

To spend the rest of his life loving and defending its truth?

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

The most common false gospel revolves around "works righteousness" (Romans 4:5-6; 10:1-4; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9 etc..) but Universalism is also a false gospel. The apostle Paul explains why people do not believe the gospel in 2 Corinthians 4:3,4.

now you see why i warn so often against this lie of interfaith interelilgious dialgoue finding common ground stuff .
THEY even say all religoins serve the same God christains do . Beware for this so called universal false love
mindset is growing fast .

 

[Studyman]

It was not given so clearly as you are saying, actually the scriptures teaches otherwise.

I'm sorry Mr. Baker. I don't engage in the practice of using one verse in the Bible, to discredit or make void another verse in the Bible, for the purpose of justifying a specific religious philosophy, or for any purpose. I am happy to have the discussion, but not at the expense of Paul or the Hebrews author, or Jesus' own Words. So I don't believe the Scriptures you posted, makes void the Scriptures I posted, if you are implying that.

Israel was shown the Gospel of Christ, according to the teaching of the Bible, including Paul. The verse you quoted, doesn't refute this Biblical Fact. It simply reveals that some were blinded, that "seeing they will not see, and hearing they will not hear".

13 And not as Moses, which "put a vail over his face", that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

There is a reason why some were blinded, and some were not. Paul said they had no excuse. A man either believes what Paul teaches, or he doesn't. So I believe the Gospel was preached unto them as well as unto us. That "what can be known of God was shown unto them". And that some were blinded because when they knew God, they Glorified Him not as God. This didn't include Caleb, Joshua, Shadrack, Daniel and a host of other Faithful men who had the Spirit of Christ in them.

Paul also said;

1 Cor. 10: 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

11 Now all these things "happened unto them" for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I think I can sum up the difference in our understanding with a short study I have done apart from the religious influence of this world's religious businesses and sects who "come in Christ's Name". On the chance that you are truly interested in my understanding, this should help to that end.

In the Holy Scriptures there is a Prophesy of a Change in the Priesthood. A change from the "Order of Aaron" Moses was instructed to put in place, to the "Order of Melchizedek", that Moses Prophesied would happen in the future, which is a New Covenant (Also Prophesied). When a man actually reads how God defines His New Covenant, there are 2 things that changed, according to His Definition.

#1. The manner in which God's Law is received.

Prior to the arrival of God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", there existed the Levitical Priesthood, whose duty it was to give the people God's Laws, and Provide forgiveness/justification for sins. In this "Order", only a man from the Tribe of Levi could be a Chief Priest of God. This can be found in Exodus and Leviticus, and it is confirmed in Heb. 7:11-15. This Priesthood was Prophesied to change, but Israel, because of rebellion, was blinded and could not see the end of that which is abolished. (But Zacharias, Simeon and Anna were not blinded)

The Modern religious businesses and secs of this world I was born into, promote the gospel that the Law and Prophets, including God's Laws was abolished, but Jesus saw this wickedness coming and told us that the Law and Prophets will be here until He fulfills all Prophesies about Him. If HE doesn't return, then our faith is in vain. And HE has not yet returned, therefore, not all has been fulfilled. Paul confirms this over and over in the Gospel of Christ that he promoted.

Rom. 6: 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves "unto God", as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness "unto God".

Isn't this the exact same Gospel given to Israel. Ez. 18: 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

14 But their minds were blinded: for until "this day" remaineth the same vail "untaken away" in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

This is why Zacharias, Simeon, Anna and the Wise men understood the Law and the Prophets, and God's New Covenant, and the prophesied change in the Priesthood, but the religious system of this world, including the many differing religious sects and businesses, like the Pharisees, the Catholics and her Protestant daughters do not. This is why I posted the Christ inspired Words of Luke concerning the Faithful members of God's Church, Zacharias and Elizabeth. They and others are proof that the Vail "is done away in Christ", for those who "Yielded themselves unto God", whose Spirit existed in them, and others before them.

#2. The manner in which sins are forgiven.

The second thing God teaches us about His New Covenant, is the change in the manner in which sins are forgiven. In the Levitical Priesthood, a man who sinned was to take a goat or bull to a Levite Priest, kill it, and the Priest would Sprinkle the Bood of the Sacrifice on the alter, and would provide for the justification of the Sinner. Paul called this, "The Ministration of Death". God said in the New Covenant, "After those days", HE would provide for the justification "Himself". The Pharisees were still promoting the sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission/justification of sins, because they didn't believe Moses or the Prophets. Zacharias, Simeon and Anna did, and therefore, believed Jesus was the Prophesied Priest of God, the Messiah. (John 5:46) Plus, they had created a huge religious business of selling the Sacrifices, (Salvation) and had grown accustomed of the praise, and honor they received from man. They knew that if Jesus was the Messiah, their wealth, Status, praise of men would end. So they conspired to kill Him, as also prophesied. Since their religious business was more precious to them than God, they refused to believe "the Works" Jesus did, even though HE pleaded with them, and continued promoting these sacrificial "works of the Law" for justification.

Isaiah 1 spells this out nicely. Here was a religious people, who professes to know God, but were disobedient and rebellious to him. And yet, every week, they come to Him with their Sacrifices "as per the Law" for justification/forgiveness. Paul was still struggling with the same exact religion that he called "The Jews Religion". But as the Law and Prophets teaches, and Paul confirms, "No flesh is justified by "works of the Law", and that it is not possible for the blood of goats and bull to take away sins. As it is written:

1 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

This is the Gospel of Christ, according to Paul, Yes? What does the Gospel of Christ teach the man that sins? Bring the Blood of Jesus or a goat to God? Or "Repent, and go and sin no more"?

I am also placed by God into the same world where massive religious businesses and sects exist, who call Jesus Lord, Lord, despise God's Judgments and create their own, reject God's Statutes and create their own high days, reject God's Sabbaths and create their own, and create image of God in the Likeness of some longhaired, very handsome man. All of these "works" are forbidden by God, Jesus and Paul.

Yet every week they come to God and offer to Him the Blood of the Perfect Sacrifice, as per the Law, to justify themselves.

 

[Studyman]

I agree overall ~but I desire for you to address: "What is another gospel........Is the gospel preach a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof?......... the gospel, the power of God for whom and why?"

Doing so, would make it clear, if you defend the true gospel as preached by Paul in the epistle to the churches of Galatia, or, do you oppose him.

Thanks for you consideration in advance.

Thank you for the question.

The True Gospel, in my understanding, from the very beginning has been for men, of their own free will, to "turn away from transgressions", AKA Repent and turn to God, (Not the religious businesses, sects or voices of the garden God placed us in) and bring forth "works" worthy of repentance.

The fake gospel is the promotion of a god in the likeness of man, with long hair and handsome profile, who abolishes God's definition of sin, so "every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon them", (Jer. 23:16,17) and who turned to God for you, so you don't have to "Yield yourself" to Him, and does all the "Works" for you, so you don't have to "Labor" to be accepted of Him.

While this religious philosophy is seductive, and a great marketing strategy used by this world's religious businesses as they compete with each other for butts to fill the seats of their manmade shrines of worship, it doesn't represent the teaching of the Holy scriptures, at least not according to what is actually written.

And again, the implication of "many" who come in Christ's Name, that their interpretation of the teaching of Paul to the Galatians, makes void or irrelevant all his other letters, or the Words of Jesus, or the entire Law and Prophets, is not in accordance with any of the Scriptures. If you believe Paul's letter to the Galatians promoted a different gospel that his letter to the Ephesians or Philippians or Romans, then please consider that it might be your understanding that creates the contradiction, not Paul's teaching.

I do not oppose any of Paul's teaching, or the Christ's, or Jeremiah or any of the Holy Scriptures. But I do oppose the teaching of the many various religious sects and businesses, "who come in Christ's name", that make up this world's religious system. Didn't Jesus say for His people to "Come out of her"?

Truly a subject worthy of exploration given all the warnings of the Jesus "of the Bible" of these very things.

Again, thanks for the questions.

 

[Studyman]

Please explain what you mean: "Neither David, nor Paul is teaching the popular religious philosophy of this world's religious sects and businesses, that God has never brought, or is incapable of bringing, even ONE Sinner into His Righteousness, "No not One"! "

Thank you for your consideration, and time.

Thanks again for the question. But I think if you would read the whole post, you would understand what I mean. Nevertheless, I will answer the question again.

So since my youth, I have been taught by this world's (mostly) Protestant religions, that God created Laws impossible to obey. A Yoke of Bondage HE placed on the necks of men who trusted Him. I see it on this forum every day. And they use Paul's words in Roman's 2, as support for this philosophy.

But when I actually read what Paul wrote, and the Psalms 5 and 14 that he quoted to make "his" point, there is nothing even remotely teaching that it is impossible to obey God's Laws. In fact, Paul wasn't even implying that God created Laws impossible to obey. And God's Laws are God's Righteousness.

Ps. 119: 170 Let my supplication come before thee: deliver me according to thy word. 171 My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes. 172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. 173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.

The popular religious philosophy that God created Laws impossible to obey, preaching to the world that no sinner has ever repented and turned to God in obedience, which is the very foundation of this world's religious sects and businesses who call Jesus Lord, Lord, is simply not true, according to Scriptures. When the lipstick is taken off this philosophy, it is teaching that God. though His "Way of the Lord", through His "instruction in Righteousness", has NEVER brought even ONE man into His Righteousness, "No Not One"!

This is a false teaching, if the Scriptures are our guide.

 

[Studyman]

Studyman~a question for you.......What caused Paul to change from....

Galatians 1:13​

“For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:”

To spend the rest of his life loving and defending its truth?

John 9: 1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

This man in John 9 was blind from birth. God chose him, through His Son Jesus, that others might see and hear and "Believe in Him". God chose Moses, that others might believe in God though Him, but didn't "make" others believe Moses, rather, God placed before them life and death and told them to choose, advising them to choose life. God chose "Jesus", but didn't "make" others believe Jesus, rather, He told them to believe the "Works" of Jesus that they might believe God sent Him. God chose the Blind man to heal through Jesus, but didn't "make" others believe who healed him. God chose Paul that we might believe in God and "Yield ourselves" servants to obey Him, but didn't "make" others believe Paul.

Am I not one of the "Others"?

 

[jeremiah1five]

It is not so much as in the passages of Galatians 1:6-9, but what Paul discusses from Galatians 2:15-5:4 ~ for therein, he will prove what is the true gospel, and what is "another" gospel preached by men, much like you have in this post, where you labor to teach your religion that Paul actually was saved from, thinking that the gospel is only for the Jewish people, and not for the Gentiles.

God has covenant with Abraham and with his Hebrew seed. I find no covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles in Scripture. Do you?

Actually, you are reading into the scriptures what you desire for them to teach, not what they are actually saying. Paul is dealing with the subject of justification freely given by two immutable acts of God, his promises and oath ~ Galatians 4:20-31.

False brethren came in among them, teaching them the necessity of keeping the law as a means of securing eternal life for themselves.

There is a correlation between both otherwise Jesus would not have instructed the man to obey the Law as the means of his inheritance of eternal life:

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matt. 19:17.

Paul taught free justification by grace alone through Christ's faith and obedience, that the law was only a schoolmaster for the children of God's promises to teach them to put their total faith/trust in Christ, and not in themselves, and once they learn this from their schoolmaster, then the law had served its purpose with them in this respect, even though it is a perfect standard for God's children to rule their practical life as believer, just as long they did not seek to be justified by it, for by the deeds of the law no flesh shall be justified in God's sight, legally speaking.

The Law did not "serve its purpose." It is perpetual every generation so that every generation will be led to their Christ. Even beyond the first century.

So wrong! Paul wrote to Gentiles believers, not Jews. A true Jews is not one outwardly, but inwardly, one that is so in Spirit, not in the flesh, a Jews in the flesh means nothing to God as far as being loved, unless he is a child of God's promises and oath. God's elect are from every nation, race under heaven.

Natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel beginning on the day of the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) even to this day and beyond. God's elect come OUT OF "every nation, race under heaven." The history of God's redemption is wrapped up in Hebrew/Jewish history. There is a reason why there is no covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev. 5:8–9.

...because that's to whom He scattered His people.

Jeremiah, you have a very strange (false) gospel that you have limited to the natural seed of Abraham. Paul was going after false Jewish brethren, that were teaching Gentiles (non Jewish, who were not Jews by nature) that they had to keep Moses' law if they wanted to be accpeted by God and them! We shall consider Galatians three later, the Lord willing.

I never said one has to keep the Law of Moses in order to be saved. But it does lead one to Christ. And once they are born-again the Law serves a purpose in which God uses it for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteous so that the man of God is throughly furnished unto all good works (living.)

The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation was written by Jewish Christians to and for Jews and other Jewish Christians. They are written reasonings and teaching to the Jew and Jewish Christian of the New Covenant era they found themselves in from the day of the Feast of Harvest forward. Jesus' "other flock" would have to be the mixed-heritage Samaritan as well as the mixed-heritage Hebrew who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture (Hellenized.) From the order by Cyrus releasing Jews to return to their land *522 BC) until the day Messiah appeared are about 15-20 generations. These were called "Gentile" by the Jews and not "Jew" in the same attitude Samaritans were called "Samaritan" and not "Jew" by Jews.

 

[Red Baker]

God has covenant with Abraham and with his Hebrew seed. I find no covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles in Scripture. Do you?

I will answer you later, after I first answer another couple of posts. RB

 

[Red Baker]

Again, thanks for the questions.

Studyman, it would have been nice for you to give a direct answer to my questions, but you never did, and I now see why after contemplating your posts ~ it came to me, who you are and why you danced around being direct with your presentation of what you consider the true gospel of Jesus Christ, you have no clue as to what it truly is, since you have a corrupt gospel based upon the covenant of works which you secretly seek to promote under the cover of being sincere, living on an island away from false prophets that you were born into sent here by God to testify of the truth, when you are nothing more than a wolf in sheep clothing yourself. I have had battles with you before on two different forums~ Mountain Retreat where your ID was Studyman; on Grace centered were your ID was GB, you're the gentleman from western Michigan. I was RB on grace centered, and Red on mountain Retreat. You the man that refuses to eat meat lover Pizza with peperoni and sausage, since you still cleave to the Jewish dietary laws and the Sabbath day under Moses' law. You are the very men Paul warned the Galatia believers of!

The True Gospel, in my understanding, from the very beginning has been for men, of their own free will, to "turn away from transgressions", AKA Repent and turn to God, (Not the religious businesses, sects or voices of the garden God placed us in) and bring forth "works" worthy of repentance.

This is truly based upon your pride in your heart thinking it is in your own power of your so-called free will to turn to God. That's another gospel~where God's grace, power have a place of preeminence into your gospel of works? Where does Jesus Christ's redemption work have a place into your work gospel? No where. Man is the center of your gospel, not Christ, not the Spirit of God.

Studyman~a question for you.......What caused Paul to change from....

Galatians 1:13​

“For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:”

To spend the rest of his life loving and defending its truth?

Your answer....

John 9: 1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

This man in John 9 was blind from birth. God chose him, through His Son Jesus, that others might see and hear and "Believe in Him". God chose Moses, that others might believe in God though Him, but didn't "make" others believe Moses, Am I not one of the "Others"? Jesus, rather, He told them to believe the "Works" of Jesus that they might believe God sent Him. God chose the Blind man to heal through Jesus, but didn't "make" others believe who healed him. God chose Paul that we might believe in God and "Yield ourselves" servants to obey Him, but didn't "make" others believe Paul.

Am I not one of the "Others"?

???? Not one word about the very question presented to you to answer....you did what you do best, you danced areound quesiton so that you can promote your own gospel of works. You said....Am I not one of the "Others"?.......but didn't "make" others believe Moses.

Yet God did apprehend Paul on the road to Damascus, did he not? Acts 9:1-6 Again, was Paul seeking Christ, or seeking to destroy those who were? Your gospel said that it was up to Paul of his own free will to seek, repent, believe, etc. As though man has a free will toward righteousness and the true fear of God.

Philippians 3:12​

“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.”

The popular religious philosophy that God created Laws impossible to obey, preaching to the world that no sinner has ever repented and turned to God in obedience, which is the very foundation of this world's religious sects and businesses who call Jesus Lord, Lord, is simply not true, according to Scriptures. When the lipstick is taken off this philosophy, it is teaching that God. though His "Way of the Lord", through His "instruction in Righteousness", has NEVER brought even ONE man into His Righteousness, "No Not One"!

This is a false teaching, if the Scriptures are our guide.

It is impossible for men or even angels to obey, much more so, perfectly, if left to themselves, this is proven by the very fact of creation, when Adam and Eve were created after God's image with true holiness, wisdom, knowledge, and understanding and without a sinful nature to hinder them. The very second God left them to themselves they sinned. That's the Old covenant, but thank God for the New Covenant of pure grace, where help was laid upon one that was mighty to save, one that did perfectly obey for all that he was a surety for. A covenant that you know nothing about.

Enough for now.

 

[Jim]

Yet God did apprehend Paul on the road to Damascus, did he not? Acts 9:1-6 Again, was Paul seeking Christ, or seeking to destroy those who were? Your gospel said that it was up to Paul of his own free will to seek, repent, believe, etc. As though man has a free will toward righteousness and the true fear of God.

Philippians 3:12​

“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.”

Not to intrude into your discussion with Studyman, but we cannot use the example of Jesus' call to Paul as an example for answering the gospel call. God had a special work for Paul.

It is impossible for men or even angels to obey, much more so, perfectly, if left to themselves, this is proven by the very fact of creation, when Adam and Eve were created after God's image with true holiness, wisdom, knowledge, and understanding and without a sinful nature to hinder them. The very second God left them to themselves they sinned.

It makes no sense to blame the "sinful nature" as the reason man sins and then say that Adam, who had no sinful nature, sinned. So then, why did Adam sin? And how is that different from us?

And it is not impossible for men and angels to obey. No one, except Jesus, has ever obeyed perfectly, but many have obeyed much. Even one committing only a single sin becomes accountable for the whole law (James 2:10).