What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

'For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith: as it is written,
The just shall live by faith.'

(Rom 1:16-17)

Hello there,

'For therein (i.e., in the Gospel, the good news concerning Christ in verse 16)
is the righteousness of God (i.e., which has its source and origin in God)
revealed'(- and is imputed to man on the principle of faith, as distinct from law)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

* ref:- 'Figures of Speech used in Scripture'
Greetings Complete~

Wonderful scriptures, only problem is that very few truly grasp their meaning as the Holy Ghost intended for them to be understood. May God, who is gracious above all, be so to you in opening your eyes and ears to his blessed truths is our prayer. Thank you again for those blessed scriptures.
 
Once again, I fully agree and understand that in Jesus' humanity he came to do the will of the Father, and taught God's word as never a man ever spoke with power, and authority, not as the scribes and Pharisees taught, which unlike you live in a very small part of the world of God, and when you do speak, it comes across as powerless with no authority since you corrupt even what you do have to say.

Again, I'm not going to reply to your every sermon, or every part of your sermon. You are here to promote your version of Calvinism, just as you do on every forum over the last many years. Others are here to promote a religious philosophy which competes with Calvinism, and there are many. I don't believe the Bible, when all of it is considered, supports your adopted religion, or the philosophies of any of the promoters of this world's religious system, and I have posted the reasons why. But you do nothing but justify your every Word. You say, "No, you are wrong, there is only One Covenant". I post Scriptures which prove that this is a false teaching. Then you reply and say to me, "I never said there was only One Covenant, there are only 2 covenants. Then I point out to you that this also, is untrue. Then you say, well there is 2 "main" covenants. It's like talking to a politician. Not just you Red, this is the way of all promoters of this world's competing religious sects and philosophies.


You preach and have preached that Jesus is the only "Almighty God". I post His Word's in which HE says HE prayed to Almighty God, wants me to know Almighty God who sent Him. Tells me to Worship Almighty God. And that HE is my Advocate between Almighty God and me. And I do so in a manner which would enable you to see how each Word is understood, and I show other Scriptures, from Apostles, David, Moses and the Prophets which teach the same thing, all of which challenge your Calvinist based religious philosophy, "Jesus is the Only Almighty God". Do you go into the Scriptures I post, and show me where my understanding is wrong? No. You post another verse that you believe makes void the Word's of Jesus defining for me the relationship between Him and His Father.

You adopt words created by this world's religious system, "words" never found in the entire Holy Scriptures from Gen. 1 to Rev. 22, to justify your preaching that the Jesus "of the Bible", is the only "Almighty God". Words like "Humanity" and you do this to justify your adopted religious sect.

You post one verse like "“The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.” as your justification for your preaching that all the Words of Jesus, where HE tells me whose Words to "live by", Who to Worship, who to pray to, along with Jesus own Words regarding who HE worshiped, and who HE prayed to, and Whose Words HE lived by, are not to be trusted. Instead, I MUST listen to a Calvinist Preacher, who went to a Calvinist School, who promotes Calvinist's philosophy, and "lives by" and promotes Calvinist traditions, judgments and philosophy.

I get the same from all promoters of the many various religious sects and businesses that make up this world's religious system. JW's, Adventists, Methodists, Catholics, and on and on and on, all competing against each other for contributing members, each one like you, convinced that their adopted religious philosophy is superior to all the other.

And yet they all promote the rejection of God's Judgments, Statutes, and Jesus Own Words defining His Relationship with His Father, "Almighty God".

I know you will not be persuaded otherwise. Jesus Himself tells me why, and HE is always right.

The reason why I even spend any time on your sermons, is so others who have also seen the hypocrisy, the confusion, the chaos that is "Mainstream Christianity", might know that they are not the only ones. That this is not God's Church, but of the prince of this world, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience.

So Red, like before, I know you will continue justifying your every word, your every statement. I knew this coming in. I simply wanted others who might also seeking Biblical Truth, to understand why Jesus warned about men who call Him Lord, Lord, and Come in His Name, who promote the "course of this world" and the religious system promoted by it, that HE called Babylon.

And to know that the answer to understanding God is found in faithful study of what is actually written in Scriptures, apart from the influence of mainstream religions of this world we were placed in, the same as it was for Abraham, Zacharias, Paul and even Jesus, who was, like me, surrounded by men who "professed to know God" but refused to "Yield themselves" in obedience to him. Not a preacher of the Pharisees, not a Calvinist preacher or a Calvinist website, or a Baptist preacher or Website, or a JW preacher or Website, or a Mormon preacher or website, or a Catholic preacher or Website, or a Methodist preacher or Website or on and on and on.

I advocate "Coming out of" this entire worldly religious system, as instructed, with their philosophies, their traditions and rejection of God's judgments along with their justifications for their disobedience to God, and become instead, a "Doer" of the Christ's Sayings, living by Every Word of God in the same Faith that was in Christ Jesus.

You can continue in your perpetual self-justification. And thank you for the platform. I am done here.
 
I am done here.
Well, at least your ranting and raveling is finished in this thread. You left without truly answering scriptures that were put before you, like the one I gave you in my last post:
What I did teach above is that Jesus Christ is the mighty God that was prophesied to come who going forth has been from everlasting~ do you have problem with this? Does this translate into "a handsome long haired men's hair shampoo model" one of you limited phrases you use in your limited knowledge of knowing how to debate scriptures. What do think when you read such scriptures as this one:

Micah 5:2

“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Do you just do what you accused others of doing...ignore Micah words, or look for another translation that would say something that would seemly get rid of the truth that Jesus in his deity is the God of Genesis 1:1, without any qualification whatsoever ~ for he was indeed before all, yes, from everlasting to everlasting ~ just as Isaiah called him...the "everlasting Father" .
And there are many more:
Concerning "which HE created impossible to obey, then placed them on the necks of men"............ as far as the flesh goes without the new birth, but, the fault is not with God's law, but man's sinful flesh that he inherited from Adam! Get you facts right but speaking what other teach.

Hebrews 8:7-10

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord."

The first Covenant laws were holy, spiritual, and good, the fault was with sinful man unable to do them in their own flesh/power thereof/free will, they had to be "first" born of the Spirit of God, part of the covenant of grace whereby God secured for them what they could not do themselves, this God secured for them through his Son Jesus Christ by his free grace and promises, and holy oath! This is the true gospel proclaimed in the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation, but very clearly seen in the NT of Jesus Christ. This truth is hidden from your eyes, and those that follow you, and anyone who refuses to believe this truth.
Again:
You said: "Let's let Jesus Himself tell us, and not religious men who have "transformed themselves" into apostles of Christ,"

Using your own words, let us see who these men are that are transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. No problem admitting that the Lord Jesus in his humanity subjected himself to God who is a Spirit, that dwells in eternity, alwasy has, alwasy will and that can never change, no never.

Isaiah 57:15

“For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.”

Yet This high and lofty One, chose to manifest Himself in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son as he joined Himself to the tabernacle of the Jesus of Narareth, making Jesus a complex person, fully man, fully God living in this world that HE CREATED for around thirty three years. Do you believe the record God has given of his Son?. Or, are you so bold as to call God a lair?
Being the Son of God makes Jesus God~even the Jews understood this and rejected this truth as you do.
Now back to the scriptures you quoted to see who are the ones transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ...you are the man, you need not to look further! The very scriptures you quote, you do not even believe them, for they goes against your gospel of works, teaching that man has the power to come to Christ on his own, without God causing him to come! When Jesus' teaching truly is diametrical opposite of what you teach, proving again you are the very ones transforming your self into the apostles of Christ, when in truth, you deny the very gospel that Jesus taught during the days of his flesh upon the earth. You are the very men Peter and Jude warned us:

2nd Peter 2:1

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

Jude 1:4

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Men are guilty of this when they go against the scriptures that clearly teach that no man can come unto Christ except the Father draws them, or it is freely given unto them to come. Men deny the Lord when they go against the great doctrines of Christ only dying for his people which the gospel teaches, on and on we could go, but enough for now.
Actually this thread are full of my responses to you that you truly never even attempted to address, and the reason being is you cannot, but, I must give it to you....you are the king of ranting, and raveling. Good riddance ~ I posted more so to help younger, sincere, believers, who might get caught up in the web of lies and corruption put forth by men who send themselves, who are void of the Spirit of the Living God. May God give light to all of his sheep to protect them from wolves like you and he will!

Matthew 24:24​

“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

But it is impossible to totally deceive the very elect, who you hate, and even deny that there is a group of peop[le called by the holy scriptures...the very elect. Remember what I said above?

2nd Peter 2:1

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

Jude 1:4

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Selah!
 
Slain from the foundation of the world is not the same as "whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting" So you continue to deny the truth that Jesus Christ is indeed the everlasting Father of all things? Isaiah 9:6; Colossians 1:15-17; etc.
 
The phrase "another Gospel" refers to anything that adds to, subtracts from, contradicts, or denies the gospel contained in the Bible. In the context of the New Testament, it was used by Paul to warn against teachings that deviated from the gospel of Jesus' work of redemption. Essentially, the gospel is one, and any variation is not equivalent to the true gospel.
Simple: ANYTHING other than Eph 2:8,9.
 
Simple: ANYTHING other than Eph 2:8,9.
Greetings Bob,

I agreed 100%~but, it is never as simple as saying what you have stated, you know that to be so, and so do most others who are students of the scriptures. The problem arises from folks not fully understanding the contents of what Paul is truly saying, as the Spirit of God intended. If one truly grasp its meaning, then that person teaches the true gospel of Jesus Christ, to the same degree that the apostles did in their days, which should be nothing less than what every sincere lover of the truth should desire to do, and labor to do with all their might.

Maybe folks should give their best attempt of the true biblical meaning of Ephesians 2: 8,9 and the surrounding context if they feel it necessary to do so. I'll start.

Ephesians 2:8​

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that (that is faith ~ RB) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

In Ephesians 2:8 we have a classic example of an metonymy. The only faith that saves us legally is "the faith of Christ", for no man can have faith in God, the faith that meets the requirement of a Royal law, a faith that is produce by perfect obedience to its laws! Jesus Christ alone had the faith that honoured God's law in all points, from conception, to death, in thoughts, words, and deeds ~ and this faith alone is the means of man's free justification. This faith is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God secured for God's elect by our surety, Jesus Christ. This faith is given to us in regeneration when the Spirit of God creates a new man within us after the image of his Son, Jesus Christ.

When a man hears and believes, it is not the old man (for that is impossible) but his new man that is a creative work in God's elect by the almighty power of God~this birth happens to a child of God sometimes after conception and before death, and is evidenced by faith and obedience to the word of God. Two prime examples of this is John the the Baptist and the thief on the cross.

I could spend more time proving the metonymy in Ephesians 2:8 by the context in just before verse 8, in verses: 4-6..."But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

We were IN CHRIST from all eternity, even while he lived in this world and in his death and resurrection, which secured our redemption for us. What he did, it was as though we did it, what happen to Christ happened to us legally speaking two thousand years ago. That is the faith that is not of ourselves of Ephesians 2:8, which the apostles said it is the gift of God, thereby salvation from sin and condemnation is not of works in way possible, that man may seek to bring works into one's salvation from sin and condemnation, seeking to boast of something that he may have done to contribute to salvation.

More could be said, but enough to start this discussion.
 
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It may help to give the definition of metonymy.

Metonymy comes from the Greek word “metōnymía,” which translates to “change of name.” Metonymy is a figure of speech in which an object or idea is referred to by the name of something closely associated with it, as opposed to by its own name
 
'For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves:
it is
the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained
that we should walk in them.'

(Eph 2:8)

Hello @Red Baker,

Salvation is a gift which God gives. This is a figure of speech found in Ephesians 2:8. (- The genitive of origin and efficient cause)

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Greetings Bob,

I agreed 100%~but, it is never as simple as saying what you have stated, you know that to be so, and so do most others who are students of the scriptures. The problem arises from folks not fully understanding the contents of what Paul is truly saying, as the Spirit of God intended. If one truly grasp its meaning, then that person teaches the true gospel of Jesus Christ, to the same degree that the apostles did in their days, which should be nothing less than what every sincere lover of the truth should desire to do, and labor to do with all their might.

Maybe folks should give their best attempt of the true biblical meaning of Ephesians 2: 8,9 and the surrounding context if they feel it necessary to do so. I'll start.

Ephesians 2:8​

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that (that is faith ~ RB) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
As has been pointed out to you so many times not, the word "that" in Ephesians 2:8 cannot refer to the word "faith". Nor can it refer to the word grace. The original Greek word is τοῦτο [touto]. It is a neuter gender pronoun. Both "grace" and "faith" are feminine gender nouns. Clearly the Holy Spirit would not make the really silly kind of a mistake that you are accusing Him of making. The only possible reference for τοῦτο [touto] is the entire phrase, "For by grace are ye saved through faith". Therefore, the gift isn't grace and it is not faith. It is salvation (by grace through faith).
In Ephesians 2:8 we have a classic example of an metonymy. The only faith that saves us legally is "the faith of Christ", for no man can have faith in God, the faith that meets the requirement of a Royal law, a faith that is produce by perfect obedience to its laws! Jesus Christ alone had the faith that honoured God's law in all points, from conception, to death, in thoughts, words, and deeds ~ and this faith alone is the means of man's free justification. This faith is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God secured for God's elect by our surety, Jesus Christ. This faith is given to us in regeneration when the Spirit of God creates a new man within us after the image of his Son, Jesus Christ.
Here again, it has been pointed out to you that the KJV, and others of like misinterpreted versions, is simply wrong in presenting the Greek πίστεως Χριστοῦ [pisteos Christos] as "faith OF Christ". I could give you the long explanation of why that phrase πίστεως Χριστοῦ [pisteos Christos] is not speaking of Christ's faith. I have done that many times before and I won't bother to do that again here. I will only say that the very few times in which the KJV (inappropriately) presents it as "faith of Christ" cannot supersede the many, many times in the NT that speaks of faith, faith in, believes, believe in, belief, and similar expressions where it can only be speaking of our faith IN God, our faith IN Jesus.
When a man hears and believes, it is not the old man (for that is impossible) ....
That comes from your holding to the false Calvinist [Augustinian] doctrine of Total Depravity. It is that false doctrine that leads you so far astray in your soteriology.
but his new man that is a creative work in God's elect by the almighty power of God~this birth happens to a child of God sometimes after conception and before death, and is evidenced by faith and obedience to the word of God. Two prime examples of this is John the the Baptist and the thief on the cross.
Neither John the Baptist nor the thief on the cross were born again, i.e., regenerated. The new birth, being born again, being regenerated is strictly a New Covenant act of God.

As recorded in the Gospels, when John the Baptist and Jesus begin to preach the coming of the Kingdom of God, they both emphasized that God is now ready to send this new gift of the Holy Spirit upon His people. This is the point of the coming baptism with the Holy Spirit and fire (Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:33; Acts 1:4-5). This non-water baptism was not a limited miraculous service gift meant only for Pentecost and Cornelius; it is actually just another term for the saving (indwelling) presence of the Spirit given in baptism (Acts 2:38; 1 Corinthians 12:13). This is also the “living water” promised by Jesus in John 4:7-14 and John 7:37-39. (Compare the “water” image with the promise in Isaiah, cited above, and with 1 Corinthians 12:13.) It is also “the promise of the Father” which Jesus mentions in Luke 24:49.

On the Day of Pentecost, the immediate result of the outpouring of the Spirit in Acts 2:1ff., i.e., speaking in tongues, was NOT the gift promised in the Old Testament and the Gospels; it was simply the accompanying miraculous sign that Peter’s imminent sermon would be a message from God. (Remember: such miracles were not “a new thing.”) In his sermon Peter affirmed that what everyone had observed was indeed the promised Holy Spirit (Acts 2:33), but the main purpose of this gift was something new that God was making available to everyone, i.e., “the gift of the Holy Spirit” as received in baptism (Acts 2:38). In verse 39 Peter clearly states that the promised Spirit was not just for the apostles (as in vv. 1ff.), but is intended “for you.” In fact, this is the first word of verse 39: hymin, “to you, for you.” This is the emphatic position in the sentence: “FOR YOU is the promise!” I.e., for all who will obey the gospel, both now and into future generations (“and for your children”). And not only that, but this promised Holy Spirit is intended for the Gentiles also! This is the point of the final addition to the promise: “and for all who are far off”! “You who once were far off” is how Paul addresses the Gentiles in Ephesians 2:13, 17! This “baptism in the Holy Spirit,” this “gift of the Holy Spirit,” is a main unifying factor in bringing Jews and Gentiles together into the ONE family of God.

The Holy Spirit was working in Old Testament times, but only by giving service gifts to specific individuals. He was not present then within any believer as the source of saving power, as He now is under the New Covenant. The indwelling Spirit’s presence as a regenerating, sanctifying power began as a new thing on Pentecost, and is now a main factor in our identity as part of the one family of God.
More could be said, but enough to start this discussion.
Yes, dear friend in Christ, but you would be wrong in all of it because you begin with a false Calvinist/Reformed Theology narrative.
 
Agreed Paul's conversion was unique.
Yet even he had heard the gospel preached before that conversion . Paul knew exactly what the church preached
and for a time was dead set against that gospel of the ressurection .
Cornelious . Notice cornelious had to SEND for peter to hear words whereby both HE and his house could be saved .
That is HOW GOD chose to save the world . now paul reminds us of this
in corinthians . GOD chose by the preaching of the gospel to save those WHO BELIEVE .
but many no longer desire there is a need to hear or to beleive . THEY have fallen madly in love with
inclusivity , in interfaith methods which has come to make the path to GOD very , i do mean very , BROAD
as it accepts sins and even UNBELIEF . many love this false love that has been preached to them .
SOON the very gospel and those who do speak it
will be seen as naught but divisive , as haters , as in the way for world peace , peace in the middle east .
JESUS has been denied by another and that other cometh in its own name
to silence the true gospel and it do all it can to preach a version of what it says IS GOD and IS HIS LOVE .
Yet upon examination of its love, IT SURE DONT REJOICE IN THE TRUTH but rather in a fat lie it thinks is love .
 
Paul was the last person Jesus appeared to in person.
and lastly he appeared to me as of one born out of due time .
Yep .
To the trenches to the end my friend . LET TRUTH be magnfied and a lie denied .
We are in a war for the souls of men and this delusion has grown massive as of late .
Another has come in his own name to convince even christendom
that surely ye shall not perish if ye beleive not .
SOUNDS Like what he told eve too . OH YE SHALL NOT DIE if ye eat
Satan knows Humanity can BE SET FREE , MADE FREE if one does so beleive IN JESUS the CHRIST .
And seeing since day one he has always desired the death of man and thus convinced eve to eat of the tree ,
MAKE NO MISTAKE HE STILL WANTS humanity IN DEATH and to suffer the same fate
which awaits he and his angels . SO HE GONNA DO EVERYTHING he can to convince
folks OF A LIE that he calls love and that he claims is of GOD . BUT he is a liar and the father of it .
 
As has been pointed out to you so many times not, the word "that" in Ephesians 2:8 cannot refer to the word "faith". Nor can it refer to the word grace. The original Greek word is τοῦτο [touto]. It is a neuter gender pronoun. Both "grace" and "faith" are feminine gender nouns. Clearly the Holy Spirit would not make the really silly kind of a mistake that you are accusing Him of making. The only possible reference for τοῦτο [touto] is the entire phrase, "For by grace are ye saved through faith".
Greetings Jim,

I will not go frame by frame since we have many times over the years, on this very subject ~ just a few thoughts is more than enough.... More so for any young believer who may be reading this now or even later, than for ourselves.

Jim, the scriptures are written as one whole cohesive truth to be understood as "commutative truth" from from one prophet/apostle to another from scripture to scriptures, and when this is practiced, and compared, the truth of the gospel can be seen and should be preached accordingly. Truly no scriptures is in a vacuum, or on an island by itself, yet all scriptures are profitable for doctrine, and not only profitable, but are needed to see its truths, with no scriptures pitted against each other, but flowing perfectly together.

So, when one truly practices:
Men can learned the truth and obtain true knowledge of truth. The following scriptures help us to make the connection in Ephesians 2:8,9.
Romans 3:22; Acts 3:16; Galatians 2:16, 2:20,21; Philippians 1:28,29; 3:9, etc. It was the obedience and faith of Jesus Christ which alone secured free justification for God's elect. This is the "only gospel" that fully gives all glory to Christ, and to God's grace and power in our salvation from sin and condemnation. The best effort of all others is a mixture of grace and works, some more, some less, but still a mixture/corruption of of God's free grace.
Therefore, the gift isn't grace and it is not faith. It is salvation (by grace through faith).
Jim, stop and ponder what you are saying, your words makes no sense, that's an oxymoron statement. So, Jim is it by grace, or is it by faith? If by faith, then whose faith? It is THROUGH faith, but not man's, but Christ's! It truly is BY God's grace through Jesus' faith and obedience!
Neither John the Baptist nor the thief on the cross were born again, i.e., regenerated. The new birth, being born again, being regenerated is strictly a New Covenant act of God.
Jim, I marvel that men would even make such a statement, believing that men were not born again, until Pentecost, truly that is mind boggling in light of so many other biblical truths that must be denied, or not understood properly.

1. How would you, or others who believe regeneration is strictly a New Covenant act of God, explain how Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD? Genesis 6:8.

2. How do you explain God being a friend of Abraham? Or, the God OF Abraham. Isaac, and Jacob? He is not the God of wicked men unregenerate. So many more we could present, but enough. Jim, you need to reconsider this position of yours, it is against so any scriptures, and make void Hebrews eleven. And I did not even address John the Baptist and the thief which I could if time permitted~but running short.

As a matter of fact, I must run, but will come back and finish if you like me to do so. Third John 1:2
 
As has been pointed out to you so many times not, the word "that" in Ephesians 2:8 cannot refer to the word "faith". Nor can it refer to the word grace. The original Greek word is τοῦτο [touto]. It is a neuter gender pronoun. Both "grace" and "faith" are feminine gender nouns. Clearly the Holy Spirit would not make the really silly kind of a mistake that you are accusing Him of making. The only possible reference for τοῦτο [touto] is the entire phrase, "For by grace are ye saved through faith". Therefore, the gift isn't grace and it is not faith. It is salvation (by grace through faith).
(y)(y)

A statement of truth , truly stated.
 
Jim, I marvel that men would even make such a statement, believing that men were not born again, until Pentecost, truly that is mind boggling in light of so many other biblical truths that must be denied, or not understood properly.

1. How would you, or others who believe regeneration is strictly a New Covenant act of God, explain how Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD? Genesis 6:8.

2. How do you explain God being a friend of Abraham? Or, the God OF Abraham. Isaac, and Jacob? He is not the God of wicked men unregenerate. So many more we could present, but enough. Jim, you need to reconsider this position of yours, it is against so any scriptures, and make void Hebrews eleven. And I did not even address John the Baptist and the thief which I could if time permitted~but running short.
I have no trouble explaining any of that and neither would you when you realize that the concept of total depravity is a bane to God's grace. And the irony, given this thread, "What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?", is that total depravity is at the heart of "Another Gospel"!!
As a matter of fact, I must run, but will come back and finish if you like me to do so. Third John 1:2
And 3 John1:2 back to you as well.
 
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We don't even NEED a Gospel if we're not depraved.

That's the whole POINT of grace.
Sounds true . but this is true . show me one person who is GOOD according to the standards of what GOD calls GOOD .
show me one .
YES that is the WHOLE POINT of GRACE indeed my friend . TO GIVE us that which WE DID NOT DESERVE
and to free us from the death sentence that all have earned . Just a real friendly reminder to this generation .
Any person who thinks their works and so called love can be a bargaining chip for GOD on the DAY of judgment
KNOWS NEITHER the HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS STANDARDS OF THE HOLY GOD
and are even blind to the depravity of their own souls . AINT ONE PERSON can save themselves .
UNLESS any one wants to call JESUS a liar who also said WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE .
GOD has chosen the way to save . HIS NAME IS JESUS THE CHRIST . those who beleive WILL be saved
those who beleive not will be damned . about as simple as i can put it my friend .
 
(y)(y)

A statement of truth , truly stated.
Hello dear mattie . how about a real simple reminder .
WHEN GOD spoke abraham BELIEVED .
WHEN JESUS spoke many did not BELEIVE .
If one hears not CHRIST they hear not GOD .
if they beleive NOT HIS WORDS then even if they cliam to beleive , SORRY THEY DONT BELEIVE HIM .
now that outta knock the boots and scare the socks off of most all of even christendom .
For many even say WE BELEIVE IN YOU DEAR JESUS yet SURE DONT SEEM to beleive ALL HIS WORDS .
pretty scary aint it . WHY DID THE ISRAELITES NOT get to enter into the PROMISED LAND .
A hint , it was not because they said OH WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD , its because they did not BELIEVE GOD .
I HIGHLY SUGGEST WE ALL BIBLE UP and START BELEIVING AS DO A CHILD HIS WORDS . just a friendly reminder .
 
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