What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

[Studyman]

the fact is you deny the Son since you value the Father more. This is true of all unitarians across the board. Otherwise you would be a trinitarian giving equality to the Son as all trinitarians do in practice. We worship the Son, you do not. You do not bow, lay prostrate before the Son in your prayers,worship. You do not pray to the Son and the Apostles did and He is not your Lord ( YHWH ) but is your lord lowercase. Its all lip service. You serve a false christ who is only a man. This is the truth.

hope this helps !!!

Your vain jangling notwithstanding, you lied about me and my posts concerning Moses, and you lied about me and my Posts concerning the Jesus "of the bible", and you are still lying about my beliefs. You know it, I know it, and the Jesus "of the bible" knows it.

And why? Because I posted His Words that expose this world's religious system you are here to promote.

Thanks for the continued Blessing Civic.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Your vain jangling notwithstanding, you lied about me and my posts concerning Moses, and you lied about me and my Posts concerning the Jesus "of the bible", and you are still lying about my beliefs. You know it, I know it, and the Jesus "of the bible" knows it.

And why? Because I posted His Words that expose this world's religious system you are here to promote.

Thanks for the continued Blessing Civic.

Take one thing you say is a lie and provide it as an example. No rants. No "bloviating".

 

[Studyman]

It was a short read. I remember it.

I'll ask you again. Do you believe that you're "without spot and blameless". Simple question. No rants this time... We are getting somewhere....

I'm not playing your deceitful game. I have answered this question for you a dozen times. Go back through my posts and show me where I said I was or believed that I am "without spot and blameless".

Post Peter's Words that I posted, and you ignored. What does he say? Let's examine his words that I posted.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm not playing your deceitful game. I have answered this question for you a dozen times. Go back through my posts and show me where I said I was or believed that I am "without spot and blameless".

Post Peter's Words that I posted, and you ignored. What does he say? Let's examine his words that I posted.

I told you in the last post that I remember what I read. I knew them before you posted them. This isn't something new to me.

Go for it. Tell me how I'm misunderstanding you....

I'm 10 steps ahead of you but sometimes we just need to slow down....... Thanks for cooperating.

 

[civic]

Your vain jangling notwithstanding, you lied about me and my posts concerning Moses, and you lied about me and my Posts concerning the Jesus "of the bible", and you are still lying about my beliefs. You know it, I know it, and the Jesus "of the bible" knows it.

And why? Because I posted His Words that expose this world's religious system you are here to promote.

Thanks for the continued Blessing Civic.

No you placed Moses on the same level as Jesus

 

[Studyman]

No you placed Moses on the same level as Jesus

Show me preacher.

 

[Red Baker]

The Jesus "of the bible," according to HIS OWN Words, was "sent by almighty God".

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, his only begotten Son, in the manner in which he was begotten, was indeed sent by God, his Father as far as his humanity goes. But, what does that mean? Does it mean he was not God of John 1:1-4....14?

John 1:1-4,14~"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men............................And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

Jesus Christ in his deity was the Word that was in the beginning without any qualification whatsoever. He was God of Genesis 1:1~in his humanity he is the express image of the invisible God, the only God angels or man will ever see....and was indeed born around two thousand years ago.

Colossians 1:15-17~"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Jesus Christ is the mighty God that was prophesied to come, there is not another!

Isaiah 9:6~"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Remove men like you from preaching the same old things over and over, you are lost as to know how to interpret the word of God. The Jesus you preach is another Jesus, and another spirit, with another gospel.

2nd Corinthians 11:4~“For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

You are preaching another Jesus that the word of God is not teaching us, you are under the power of another spirit, peddling another gospel.

There are volumes more Words from the Lord's Christ "of the Bible", and from God's Messengers, Moses and the Prophets, which teach me that the Jesus "of the bible" was sent by, and is the only begotten Son, who received ALL of His Power from, and was given a Name above all others by, HIS Father, the One True God.

But, he is "much more" than that, in his eternal Deity, he is God, period. He is the True God preached by the apostles of the Lord Jesus.

1st John 5:20~"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

This Bible mystery is hidden from your eyes, and what you are teaching is dangerous and the scriptures warns us of men like you.

2nd John 1:9-11~"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Later I'll finish.

 

[Red Baker]

Why is it so important to the Jesus "of the bible" that we "Know His Father, the One True God"?

Once again, I fully agree and understand that in Jesus' humanity he came to do the will of the Father, and taught God's word as never a man ever spoke with power, and authority, not as the scribes and Pharisees taught, which unlike you live in a very small part of the world of God, and when you do speak, it comes across as powerless with no authority since you corrupt even what you do have to say.

John 7:46​

“The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.”

Luke 24:32​

“And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?”

Scriptures when spoken under the leadership, and guidance, power of God, will interpret themselves to the hearers and cause them to understanding the reading/preaching/teaching thereof, and to rejoice. When folks like you are speaking, the hearers with anointed ears know you are just babbling and speaking to yourself and into the air as a man very confused, being used to deceived others.

Why is it so important to the Jesus "of the bible" that we "Know His Father, the One True God"? Let's let Jesus Himself tell us, and not religious men who have "transformed themselves" into apostles of Christ, given we have the Holy Scriptures in our own home.

John 6: 44 No man can come to me (Lord's Christ), except the Father (One True God) "which hath sent me" (Lord's Christ) draw him: and I (Lord's Christ) will raise him up at the last day. (With the Power HE received from His Father, the One True God)

45 It is written in the prophets, And "they shall be all taught of God". "Every man" therefore that hath heard, and hath learned "of the Father", (One True God) cometh "unto me". (The Lord's Christ)

You said: "Let's let Jesus Himself tell us, and not religious men who have "transformed themselves" into apostles of Christ,"

Using your own words, let us see who these men are that are transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. No problem admitting that the Lord Jesus in his humanity subjected himself to God who is a Spirit, that dwells in eternity, alwasy has, alwasy will and that can never change, no never.

Isaiah 57:15​

“For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.”

Yet This high and lofty One, chose to manifest Himself in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son as he joined Himself to the tabernacle of the Jesus of Narareth, making Jesus a complex person, fully man, fully God living in this world that HE CREATED for around thirty three years. Do you believe the record God has given of his Son?. Or, are you so bold as to call God a lair?

1st John 5:6-13~This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of Godhath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

Being the Son of God makes Jesus God~even the Jews understood this and rejected this truth as you do.

John 10:30-33~"I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

Now back to the scriptures you quoted to see who are the ones transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ...you are the man, you need not to look further! The very scriptures you quote, you do not even believe them, for they goes against your gospel of works, teaching that man has the power to come to Christ on his own, without God causing him to come! When Jesus' teaching truly is diametrical opposite of what you teach, proving again you are the very ones transforming your self into the apostles of Christ, when in truth, you deny the very gospel that Jesus taught during the days of his flesh upon the earth. You are the very men Peter and Jude warned us:

2nd Peter 2:1​

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

Jude 1:4​

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Men are guilty of this when they go against the scriptures that clearly teach that no man can come unto Christ except the Father draws them, or it is freely given unto them to come. Men deny the Lord when they go against the great doctrines of Christ only dying for his people which the gospel teaches, on and on we could go, but enough for now.

Coming back to finish.

 

[Red Baker]

Jesus and His Father said to "be Perfect, as God is perfect", and Be Holy as God is Holy". This is the Land that brings forth the good fruit, a land flowing with milk and honey. And you are the man who discourages anyone who says, "Let us go up at once, and possess it; "for we are well able to overcome it", as your entire philosophy is founded on the preaching that "We be not able to go up against the people; (Our Flesh) "for they are stronger than we". (It's impossible to obey God's instruction)

Num. 14: 6 And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes: 7 And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, (Perfection, Holiness) which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land. 8 If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, "and give it us"; a land which floweth with milk and honey. 9 Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; (Red, Civic, PY, Kenneth Copeland, etc.) for they are bread (blessings) for us: "their defence" is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: "fear them not". 10 But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel.

Can I walk even as Jesus walked as instructed, even though you are other promoters of this world's religious system preach to the world that it is impossible, that the enemies I face are too strong for me, that God's Armor in insufficient to help be resist your preaching?

I believe I can, and like Paul, "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God "in" Christ Jesus."

The scriptures does say:

Matthew 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

But, without reading the word of God distinctly and then providing the true biblical sense, sinful man void of the Spirit of God, can teach just about any doctrine his sinful heart desires to teach, and you are a living proof of this corruption. For now I will only say this:

Jesus' words is the unchanging requirement of the Law, "even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect" is the exalted standard which the law and the gospel presents to us. The moral excellency of the Divine character is the copy and rule set before us, (as I said above more than once) and nothing short of that is to be our sincere, ardent and constant endeavour. Though such an aim is never realized in this life, while living in this body of sin and death, yet we must say with Paul, "Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus" (Phil. 3:12). In view of such a confession by the eminent apostle, how baseless and absurd is the pretension of those claiming to have already reached sinless perfection. The truth is that the closer we walk with God, the more will it work in us self-abasement and humiliation and not self-complacency and pride.

Yes, but only those who are "Learned of the Father". At least this is what the Jesus "of the bible" teaches.

That answer did not even address my question to you! So, I see, you as always, put man's works ahead of Christ totally securing eternal redemption for God's elect. All those scriptures that speaks of God showing mercy and forgiving our sins on the behalf of Jesus Christ has no place in your work gospel!

Philippians 1:29​

“For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;”

 

[Studyman]

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, his only begotten Son, in the manner in which he was begotten, was indeed sent by God, his Father as far as his humanity goes. But, what does that mean? Does it mean he was not God of John 1:1-4....14?

Jesus Christ in his deity was the Word that was in the beginning without any qualification whatsoever. He was God of Genesis 1:1~in his humanity he is the express image of the invisible God, the only God angels or man will ever see....and was indeed born around two thousand years ago.

Jesus Christ is the mighty God that was prophesied to come, there is not another!

Isaiah 9:6~"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Remove men like you from preaching the same old things over and over, you are lost as to know how to interpret the word of God. The Jesus you preach is another Jesus, and another spirit, with another gospel.

2nd Corinthians 11:4~“For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

You are preaching another Jesus that the word of God is not teaching us, you are under the power of another spirit, peddling another gospel.

But, he is "much more" than that, in his eternal Deity, he is God, period. He is the True God preached by the apostles of the Lord Jesus.

1st John 5:20~"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

This Bible mystery is hidden from your eyes, and what you are teaching is dangerous and the scriptures warns us of men like you.

Later I'll finish.

 

[Studyman]

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, his only begotten Son, in the manner in which he was begotten, was indeed sent by God, his Father as far as his humanity goes. But, what does that mean? Does it mean he was not God of John 1:1-4....14?

John 1, and your interpretation of it, doesn't make the Words of the Jesus "of the bible" that I posted and that you ignored, void. Although you use it to do just that.

John 1, and your interpretation of it, doesn't make the image of God you promote, in the likeness of some random, handsome long haired men's hair shampoo model, "Almighty God", but your religion preaches that it does. It doesn't justify your rejection of God's Judgments, nor does it justify your rejection of God's Statutes that the Jesus "of the bible" lived by, nor does it justify the prince of this world's creation and worship of ancient pagan high days the prince of this world's religions placed Jesus Name on. High days that generate massive wealth and power for the merchants of this world, while the Feasts of the Lord "of the bible", that are shadows of things yet to come, are despised and rejected.

You asked me about the Jesus "of the bible". I quoted for you His Own Words. But you cannot accept them, because to do so would expose the Image of God you worship, created in the likeness of some pretty, long-haired man.

Jesus Christ in his deity was the Word that was in the beginning without any qualification whatsoever. He was God of Genesis 1:1~in his humanity he is the express image of the invisible God, the only God angels or man will ever see....and was indeed born around two thousand years ago.

Yes, Jesus is the "Image of the invisible God", who HE Himself said is greater than He.

John 14: 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

Paul understood this.

Col. 1: 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We give thanks "to God and the Father" "of our Lord" Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

But you don't believe Red, not in this Jesus, the Jesus "of the Bible". Your God is a very handsome, long-haired man, born on Dec. 25th, died on the manmade high day of "Good Friday" and was raised a little over 24 hours later, on the manmade high day of Easter Sunday. According to your religion, this long-haired, very handsome God came to save you from His Own Laws, which HE created impossible to obey, then placed them on the necks of men who trusted Him as HE instructed, then lied to them about their capacity to obey Him, and killed them when they didn't.

But I'm talking about the Jesus "of the bible".

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31 But that the world may know "that I love the Father"; and as "the Father" gave me commandment, "even so I do". Arise, let us go hence.

And to this day, the Jesus "of the bible" is at the right Hand of His Father, advocating between me, and His Father, and His Father commanded.

John 14: 1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In "my Father's house" are many mansions: if it were not so, "I would have told you". I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, (His Father's House) there ye may be also.

1 John 2: 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate "with the Father", "Jesus Christ" the righteous:

Jesus Christ is the mighty God that was prophesied to come, there is not another!

Isaiah 9:6~"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Yes, His Father gave Him power over all flesh, "Because in the days of His Flesh", He humbled Himself to His Father and became obedient unto death. He learned obedience through the things HE suffered. He Loved righteousness and hated wickedness. "Therefore, (because of this) God, "His God", hath anointed Him with the oil of gladness above thy fellows".

It is this God, that Jesus Himself said is the One True God that to know, is eternal life.

You don't believe in this Jesus "of the Bible", but I do.

Remove men like you from preaching the same old things over and over, you are lost as to know how to interpret the word of God. The Jesus you preach is another Jesus, and another spirit, with another gospel.

It is true that I don't believe in the image of God you are selling, and calling Jesus, nor do I believe using one Word of God to make void another Word of God is an appropriate way to honor the God and Father of the Jesus "of the Bible".

But it is the only way you can justify, defend and promote your specific adopted religious philosophy. So yes, your image of God, and the Jesus "of the bible" are two completely different Jesus'. One, the Jesus of the Bible, was sent by Almighty God, as the Words of Jesus I posted, but you don't like to talk about, clearly teach. While the image of God you worship and promote, is created by Catholics, the mother of Protestantism, and the high days you partake of, in worship of this image, is also created by the mother of the Protestantism.

I advocate becoming a "Doer" of the Jesus "of the bibles" sayings. Not the Popes, as you are prompting on this forum.

2nd Corinthians 11:4~“For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

You are preaching another Jesus that the word of God is not teaching us, you are under the power of another spirit, peddling another gospel.

Your god is a statue, an image of a long haired, very handsome man. My Lord, is the Jesus "of the Bible" who is advocating between me and His Father, who HE said is the One True God, that to know is eternal life.

But, he is "much more" than that, in his eternal Deity, he is God, period. He is the True God preached by the apostles of the Lord Jesus.

I posted His Words defining Himself for us. But to believe them, would bring serious questions and challenges to the image of God promoted by this world's religious system, that you have adopted. I advocate that a man "Yield himself" to God, as the Jesus "of the bible" instructs. The Path that Jesus walked is narrow, and not many choose to strive to enter it. Nevertheless, as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches;

John 17: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they "have kept thy word".

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever "thou hast given me" are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them "the words which thou gavest me"; and they have received them, and have known surely that "I came out from thee", and they have believed that thou didst send me.

Paul understood this, even though you don't.

Rom. 15: 5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, "even the Father" "of our Lord" Jesus Christ.

1st John 5:20~"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

This Bible mystery is hidden from your eyes, and what you are teaching is dangerous and the scriptures warns us of men like you.

Later I'll finish.

I can't let you twist God's inspired Words and be silent.

19 And we know that we are "of God", (Learned of the Father) and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of God (The Lord's Christ) is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him (The One True God) that is true, and we are in him ( The Lord's Christ) that is true, even in his (One True God's) Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, "and eternal life" 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. (Images of God after the likeness of men)

Jesus said the very same thing in John 17, that you ignored.

John 17: 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, (One True God) the hour is come; glorify thy Son,(The Lord's Christ) that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou (One True God) hast given "him" (The Lord's Christ) power over all flesh, that he (The Lord's Christ)) should give eternal life to as many as thou (One True God) hast given him. (The Lord's Christ)

3 And this is life eternal, (According to the Lord's Christ) that they (Men of this world) might know "thee" "the only true God", "and" Jesus Christ, whom thou (One True God) hast sent.

Even as a child, the Jesus "of the bible" knew what your religion will not allow you to even speak about.

Luke 2: 4 9And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about "my Father's business"?

 

[Studyman]

I told you in the last post that I remember what I read. I knew them before you posted them. This isn't something new to me.

And yet, the spirit on you will not even allow you to post Peter's words and enter into an honest conversation about Peter's words.

And truly, this is nothing new from you.

Go for it. Tell me how I'm misunderstanding you....

Just post from my words, something, some kind of evidence of that which you are preaching to the world about my beliefs, that I believe I am without spot and blameless. You and Civic and the Pharisees are quick to make your accusations, and yet, like the Pharisees, you have no evidence. Your accusations are nothing but bitter sour grapes because you were asked you questions your religion will not allow you to answer. No different than the Pharisees.

Can you not see the hypocrisy of your posts? All this BS because I asked you one simple question.

Shouldn't a man who believes Ecc. 9:20, also believe Ecc. 12: 13, 14?

I'm 10 steps ahead of you but sometimes we just need to slow down....... Thanks for cooperating.

Ya, Ya, Ya PY, I don't love God, I don't please, God, I don't love Jesus, I don't care about Jesus, I don't believe Moses, and I claim I am blameless without spot. blah, blah, blah.

Geesh!

 

[praise_yeshua]

And yet, the spirit on you will not even allow you to post Peter's words and enter into an honest conversation about Peter's words.

You posted them. I read them. I knew then already. Nothing dishonest at all.

Just post from my words, something, some kind of evidence of that which you are preaching to the world about my beliefs, that I believe I am without spot and blameless. You and Civic and the Pharisees are quick to make your accusations, and yet, like the Pharisees, you have no evidence. Your accusations are nothing but bitter sour grapes because you were asked you questions your religion will not allow you to answer. No different than the Pharisees.

I put a ? mark behind that QUESTION. You posted a verse about being "without spot or blemish" without any qualification as to how that might be accomplished or how YOU have accomplished it yourself.

Can you not see the hypocrisy of your posts? All this BS because I asked you one simple question.

Shouldn't a man who believes Ecc. 9:20, also believe Ecc. 12: 13, 14?

I certainly believe them.

Ya, Ya, Ya PY, I don't love God, I don't please, God, I don't love Jesus, I don't care about Jesus, I don't believe Moses, and I claim I am blameless without spot. blah, blah, blah.

Geesh!

It is what you say about them that gives it away. YOU SAY things that contradict your claim. It really is simple.

 

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The phrase "another Gospel" refers to anything that adds to, subtracts from, contradicts, or denies the gospel contained in the Bible. In the context of the New Testament, it was used by Paul to warn against teachings that deviated from the gospel of Jesus' work of redemption. Essentially, the gospel is one, and any variation is not equivalent to the true gospel.​

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Let's start the discussion with this post from @Red Baker​

'For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus,
whom we have not preached,
or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,
or another gospel, which ye have not accepted,
ye might well bear with him.'
(2Cor.11:4 )

'I marvel that ye are so soon removed
from him that called you into the grace of Christ
unto another gospel:'
(Gal.1:6 )

Hello @Administrator/@Red Baker,

* In the context leading up to 2 Cor.11:4, Paul said:-

'But I fear, lest by any means,
as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,
so your minds should be corrupted
from the simplicity that is in Christ.'
(2Cor, 11:3)

* John also said in chapter 20 of his gospel narrative:-

'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life
through His name.'
(John 20:30-31)

* This is the gospel simply stated, so that all may understand it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus

 

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The Gospel of the Kingdom:- Matt.4:23
The Gospel of Jesus Christ the Son of God:- Mar.1:1
The Gospel of the grace of God:- Acts 20:24
The Gospel of God, concerning His Son:- Rom. 1:1,9,16
The Gospel of Christ:- Rom. 1:16, 15:19
My gospel:- Rom.2:16; 16:25
The Gospel of Peace (1):- Rom.10:15
The Gospel of God:- Rom. 15:16
The Gospel of The Circumcision:- Gal.2:7
The Gospel of The Uncircumcision:- Gal.2:7
The Gospel of Peace (2):- Eph.6:15
The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:- 2 Thess.1:8
The Glorious Gospel of The Blessed God:- 1 Tim.1:11

* These references above are merely samples of the varied usage of the word gospel in the N.T.. To understand them within their contexts other references will need to be searched out, and compared, for there are many.

'I marvel that ye are so soon removed
from Him that called you into the grace of Christ
unto another gospel:
Which is not another;
but there be some that trouble you,
and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you
than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you
than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
For do I now persuade men, or God?
or do I seek to please men?
for if I yet pleased men,
I should not be the servant of Christ.
But I certify you, brethren,
that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
For I neither received it of man,
neither was I taught it,
but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.'
(Gal 1:6-12)

Praise God!

 

[Red Baker]

John 1, and your interpretation of it, doesn't make the Words of the Jesus "of the bible" that I posted and that you ignored, void.

You are a very dishonest and deceitful person. First, I never ignored what you said, go back and look and anyone else can do the same. I said:

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, his only begotten Son, in the manner in which he was begotten, was indeed sent by God, his Father as far as his humanity goes. But, what does that mean? Does it mean he was not God of John 1:1-4....14

Jesus Christ in his deity was the Word that was in the beginning without any qualification whatsoever. He was God of Genesis 1:1~in his humanity he is the express image of the invisible God, the only God angels or man will ever see....and was indeed born around two thousand years ago.

Jesus Christ is the mighty God that was prophesied to come, there is not another!

Although you use it to do just that.

Just in case you do not know this...that's called debating your opponents and exposing their corruption of the holy scriptures. While men like you rant and rave, men of God use godly debating skills, being taught and lead of the Spirit of God, to expose enemies of the truth. Example forthcoming:

John 1, and your interpretation of it, doesn't make the image of God you promote, in the likeness of some random, handsome long haired men's hair shampoo model, "Almighty God", but your religion preaches that it does. It doesn't justify your rejection of God's Judgments, nor does it justify your rejection of God's Statutes that the Jesus "of the bible" lived by, nor does it justify the prince of this world's creation and worship of ancient pagan high days the prince of this world's religions placed Jesus Name on. High days that generate massive wealth and power for the merchants of this world, while the Feasts of the Lord "of the bible", that are shadows of things yet to come, are despised and rejected.

You asked me about the Jesus "of the bible". I quoted for you His Own Words. But you cannot accept them, because to do so would expose the Image of God you worship, created in the likeness of some pretty, long-haired man.

What in the world is all this vain jangling? Really? Before the God of heaven, truly, it is not even worth trying to expose the childish method that you use ~ so far from the example left for us by Christ and the apostles afterwards in rebuking false prophets.

What I did teach above is that Jesus Christ is the mighty God that was prophesied to come who going forth has been from everlasting~ do you have problem with this? Does this translate into "a handsome long haired men's hair shampoo model" one of you limited phrases you use in your limited knowledge of knowing how to debate scriptures. What do think when you read such scriptures as this one:

Micah 5:2​

“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Do you just do what you accused others of doing...ignore Micah words, or look for another translation that would say something that would seemly get rid of the truth that Jesus in his deity is the God of Genesis 1:1, without any qualification whatsoever ~ for he was indeed before all, yes, from everlasting to everlasting ~ just as Isaiah called him...the "everlasting Father" .

Yes, Jesus is the "Image of the invisible God", who HE Himself said is greater than He.

John 14: 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

Paul understood this.

Col. 1: 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We give thanks "to God and the Father" "of our Lord" Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

One more time, listen carefully so you will not be guilty of twisting what I'm saying. In Jesus' humanity born in the likeness of sinful flesh, yes God is greater than him, as far as his humanity goes. Did you get this? I'm sure you did, yet you refuse to accept truth from the word of God, especially so when God's truth exposes the corruption of your religion that you so glory in as though no one else has what you have ~ when in truth, you are right there in the very mist of them even holding to more heresies that many of them hold to. Pride has deceived your heart, with a very strong delusion. 2nd Thess. 2:1-12.

But you don't believe Red, not in this Jesus, the Jesus "of the Bible". Your God is a very handsome, long-haired man, born on Dec. 25th, died on the manmade high day of "Good Friday" and was raised a little over 24 hours later, on the manmade high day of Easter Sunday. According to your religion, this long-haired, very handsome God came to save you from His Own Laws, which HE created impossible to obey, then placed them on the necks of men who trusted Him as HE instructed, then lied to them about their capacity to obey Him, and killed them when they didn't.

I'm coming back later....

 

[Studyman]

You are a very dishonest and deceitful person. First, I never ignored what you said, go back and look and anyone else can do the same. I said:

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, his only begotten Son, in the manner in which he was begotten, was indeed sent by God, his Father as far as his humanity goes. But, what does that mean? Does it mean he was not God of John 1:1-4....14

Jesus Christ in his deity was the Word that was in the beginning without any qualification whatsoever. He was God of Genesis 1:1~in his humanity he is the express image of the invisible God, the only God angels or man will ever see....and was indeed born around two thousand years ago.

Jesus Christ is the mighty God that was prophesied to come, there is not another!

Here is what Jesus actually said, that you ignored in your statements above, doing as your posts have exposed over and over and over, of taking one or two verses, and using it to make void Scriptures which bring question to your adopted religious philosophy. In this case, you use John 1:1-3 to make void Jesus Words I posted below.

John 17: 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, (Almighty God) the hour is come; glorify thy Son,(The Lord's Christ) that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou (Almighty God) hast given "him" (The Lord's Christ) power over all flesh, that he (The Lord's Christ)) should give eternal life to as many as thou (Almighty God) hast given him. (The Lord's Christ)

3 And this is life eternal, (According to the Lord's Christ) that they (Men of this world) might know "thee" "the only true God" (Almighty God), "and" Jesus Christ, whom thou (Almighty God) hast sent.

Why is it so important to the Jesus "of the bible" that we "Know His Father, the Almighty God"? Let's let Jesus Himself tell us, and not religious men who have "transformed themselves" into apostles of Christ, given we have the Holy Scriptures in our own home.

John 6: 44 No man can come to me (Lord's Christ), except the Father (Almighty God) "which hath sent me" (Lord's Christ) draw him: and I (Lord's Christ) will raise him up at the last day. (With the Power HE received from His Father, the Almighty God)

45 It is written in the prophets, And "they shall be all taught "of God" (Almighty God). "Every man" therefore that hath heard, and hath learned "of the Father", (Almighty God) cometh "unto me". (The Lord's Christ)

There are volumes more Words from the Lord's Christ "of the Bible", and from God's Messengers, Moses and the Prophets, which teach me that the Jesus "of the bible" was sent by, and is the only begotten Son, who received ALL of His Power from, and was given a Name above all others by, HIS Father, the Almighty God.

David understood this. I also posted his words, but you ignored them as well.

Ps. 45: 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: "the sceptre" of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou (God's Sceptre) lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, (Almighty God) "hath anointed thee" with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Paul understands this.

Eph. 4: 4 There is one body, and "one" Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, (The Lord's Christ) one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, (Almighty God) who is above all, (Including the Lord's Christ) and through all, and in you all.

Now you have adopted a manmade creation of an image of (Almighty) God, in the likeness of a very handsome, long-haired man that ancient worldly religions placed Jesus Name on. You have adopted manmade high days created in worship of this Image of Almighty God, who is a Spirit. And you have placed the name of Jesus on this idol, this image of God in the likeness of men.

Therefore, in order to justify this religion you have adopted, with its manmade judgments, its manmade high days, its manmade images of Almighty God in the likeness of man, you must twist cherry picked Scriptures, and omit or ignore so much of what is written, including, but not limited to the Scriptures posted above. You must ignore that Jesus taught us to Worship His Father, Almighty God, in Spirit and Truth. He shows us how to pray to His Father, Almighty God. He pleads for me to know His Father, Almighty God, who sent Him, and granted Him all His Power. He brought you His Father's, Almighty God's, Word.

Heb. 5: 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him (Almighty God) that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

He said for me to;

Matt. 10: 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him (Almighty God) which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Even as a child, He humbled himself in obedience to Almighty God, not to do His (The Son's Will) but the Will of His Father, and my Father, Almighty God.

Luke 2: 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's (Almighty God's) business?

And even today, this Same Jesus "of the Bible" is an advocate between me and His Father and my Father, "Almighty God". And Jesus Earned the Right and the position HE is in "Because" HE humbled Himself to Almighty God unto death. He chose to Love Righteousness and Hate Wickedness and for this, God, His God, ("Almighty God") Gave Him a Name above all others.

But in the religious philosophy you are promoting, Almighty God created Laws impossible to obey, and HE placed them, what you and Civic preach is a "Yoke of Bondage", on the necks of His Friend Abrahams Children who trusted Him. Then He lied to them about their capacity to obey Him, then slaughtered them by the Thousands when they didn't.

So you preach another God had to come along to take His place as "Almighty God", and protect all of mankind from the impossible burdens/laws you preach He placed on the backs of Abraham's Children who trusted Him, like Abraham did. So the Idol, the Image of God created after the likeness of Men that Almighty God forbids men to create, was created.



And high days were also created in worship of this image that generate untold wealth to the merchants of this earth.



This religious system and its manmade traditions, high days, judgments and images of God after the likeness of men is Prophesied and warned about over and over in scriptures, just as the religious sect of the Pharisees was Prophesied over and over and warned about.

Like Jesus and Abraham and Eve, we are all placed in a world where deceivers, who "Profess to know God" are testing the Faith of believers. God told us HE wasn't going to drive them out from before us, but would leave them to prove whether or not we would "Yield ourselves" to Him, as Paul teaches, or "Yield ourselves" to this world's religious system that you are here promoting, that is, the seductive and popular religions of the world HE placed us in.

I know you will not be persuaded, and Jesus tells us why. Nevertheless, it seems prudent to point these things out, after all, I have found that I'm not alone in observing the Chaos, Confusion and Hypocrisy of this world's religious system, called "Babylon" in the Bible, with its different religious schools, millions of manmade shrines of worship, and rejection and dishonor of the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, "Almighty God".

What I advocate is that men "Come out of her", as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs, so "that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and (Almighty) God hath remembered her iniquities". And if the Jesus "of the Bible" doesn't know you, because you "work iniquity", how can HE advocate between you and God?

This is why Paul said;

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Of course, if I said the same thing you would condemn me as a "works Salvation" guy denying Christ.

What I truly believe is that a person who calls Jesus Lord, should Honor the Christ "of the Bible", that has given so much of Himself for us, so that we might go and sin no more, and "Live By" the Good Works His Father, "God Almighty", has before ordained that we should walk in them. That the true worshippers might become "Doers" of His Sayings, and not hearers only, deceiving our own selves.

And for this understanding, I am ridiculed, demeaned and condemned, by the promoters of this world's religious system, just like Jesus, Paul and the Church of God in their time. And just as Jesus told me it would be like.

 

[Red Baker]

But you don't believe Red, not in this Jesus, the Jesus "of the Bible". Your God is a very handsome, long-haired man, born on Dec. 25th, died on the manmade high day of "Good Friday" and was raised a little over 24 hours later, on the manmade high day of Easter Sunday. According to your religion, this long-haired, very handsome God came to save you from His Own Laws, which HE created impossible to obey, then placed them on the necks of men who trusted Him as HE instructed, then lied to them about their capacity to obey Him, and killed them when they didn't.

I will finish answering you in this post and your #357 that said basically the same old vain jangling, which this does with a little more salt and pepper added, but not much, nothing more than what I have come to expect from your posts.

Again as I said already above a few posts back, you truly do not know much about me, even though you have said over the years you have taken what I have said and printed them out for your groups bible studies, which I can only imagine how biased that works in your advantage when the person being used is not there to truly give an honest rebuttal.

Now concerning your words above. We do not celebrate Christmas, and neither do we judge others that do so. Our convictions is that it is hidden from us for a reason, and besides, Christmas in not very much about Christ, since most the world loves it for other reason than truly honoring Jesus Christ, but, It is not a major battle that I chose to fight, I just avoid it for the most part. It does not make one more holy if he does not celebrate, it, nor does it make him less holy in his heart, if he does, that's my position of Christmas, folks who chose to fight this battle are choosing the wrong battle to fight. By not celebrating Christmas, I'm making by statement as loud as I need to do. There are many who do not celebrate Christmas that knows nothing about the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

I do not celebrate Easter ~ we remember Christ's death in the Lord's supper, not by the pagan RCC mode of doing doing so. Jesus Christ was not crucified on Good Friday. For now, I will only say this ~ One cannot get three days and three night from a Friday crucifixion to early on the first day of the week. Christ was crucified Wednesday afternoon and buried before sunset that afternoon, and arose from the dead after midnight on the Jewish Sabbath (our Saturday) sometime early before the sun arose, so did the Lord Jesus, fulfilling bible prophecy of three full days and nights.

Concerning "which HE created impossible to obey, then placed them on the necks of men"............ as far as the flesh goes without the new birth, but, the fault is not with God's law, but man's sinful flesh that he inherited from Adam! Get you facts right but speaking what other teach.

Hebrews 8:7-10​

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord."

The first Covenant laws were holy, spiritual, and good, the fault was with sinful man unable to do them in their own flesh/power thereof/free will, they had to be "first" born of the Spirit of God, part of the covenant of grace whereby God secured for them what they could not do themselves, this God secured for them through his Son Jesus Christ by his free grace and promises, and holy oath! This is the true gospel proclaimed in the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation, but very clearly seen in the NT of Jesus Christ. This truth is hidden from your eyes, and those that follow you, and anyone who refuses to believe this truth.

Yes, His Father gave Him power over all flesh, "Because in the days of His Flesh", He humbled Himself to His Father and became obedient unto death. He learned obedience through the things HE suffered. He Loved righteousness and hated wickedness. "Therefore, (because of this) God, "His God", hath anointed Him with the oil of gladness above thy fellows".

While it is very true, that the Lord Jesus Christ in his flesh as the Son of God, did indeed humbled himself, and while living in the flesh, he indeed learned obedience, grew in wisdom and statue, which is part of what humanity does, yet he was more than just a man, in his complex nature, he was God manifest in the flesh, and thought it not robbery to be equal to God, since he was in the bosom of the eternal God from everlasting, being ONE with Him.

John 1:18​

“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

Philippians 2:6​

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

John 8:58​

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”​

You said: "Yes, His Father gave Him power over all flesh,"...We ask you this question: why did God give Jesus power of all flesh, yes all? Not so much as to why you said so, though what you said we agree with as far as his flesh goes, yet the scriptures is very clear as to why God gave to Jesus power over all flesh ~ listen carefully, since it is a truth you fight against:

John 17:2​

“As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.”

Is that what you teach to others? No you do not. The power given to Jesus Christ from his Father was to be used to impart eternal life to as many (no more, no less) as God gave to him to save. The rest of John 17 is given to prove this truth, a truth you reject, and by doing so, reject Jesus Christ's teaching from the word of God. You own teachings will speak against you, now, and in then day of judgement.

You don't believe in this Jesus "of the Bible", but I do.

Your teachings say otherwise. I believe that Jesus Christ is just as Paul preached him to be in scriptures like these:

1st Timothy 6:14-16"That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

We can only see him in his glorified flesh as the Son of the invisible God, who he is in that glorified flesh! Studyman, this is the JESUS of the word of God.

Lot more to say. Coming back the lord willing.

 

[Complete]

'For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith: as it is written,
The just shall live by faith.'
(Rom 1:16-17)

Hello there,

'For therein (i.e., in the Gospel, the good news concerning Christ in verse 16)
is the righteousness of God (i.e., which has its source and origin in God)
revealed'(- and is imputed to man on the principle of faith, as distinct from law)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

* ref:- 'Figures of Speech used in Scripture'

 

[Red Baker]

Here is what Jesus actually said, that you ignored in your statements above, doing as your posts have exposed over and over and over, of taking one or two verses, and using it to make void Scriptures which bring question to your adopted religious philosophy. In this case, you use John 1:1-3 to make void Jesus Words I posted below.

Not sure who you are trying to deceived by these words you have falsely posted. I actually used a whole post addressing your corrupt understanding of the deity of Jesus Christ. See post #347 above, and then, if that is not enough see #348! Two posts back to back addressing your statement, and before God, I could have easily kept going, but I made my point and moved on.

John 17: 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, (Almighty God) the hour is come; glorify thy Son,(The Lord's Christ) that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou (Almighty God) hast given "him" (The Lord's Christ) power over all flesh, that he (The Lord's Christ)) should give eternal life to as many as thou (Almighty God) hast given him. (The Lord's Christ)

3 And this is life eternal, (According to the Lord's Christ) that they (Men of this world) might know "thee" "the only true God" (Almighty God), "and" Jesus Christ, whom thou (Almighty God) hast sent.

Why is it so important to the Jesus "of the bible" that we "Know His Father, the Almighty God"? Let's let Jesus Himself tell us, and not religious men who have "transformed themselves" into apostles of Christ, given we have the Holy Scriptures in our own home.

John 6: 44 No man can come to me (Lord's Christ), except the Father (Almighty God) "which hath sent me" (Lord's Christ) draw him: and I (Lord's Christ) will raise him up at the last day. (With the Power HE received from His Father, the Almighty God)

45 It is written in the prophets, And "they shall be all taught "of God" (Almighty God). "Every man" therefore that hath heard, and hath learned "of the Father", (Almighty God) cometh "unto me". (The Lord's Christ)

There are volumes more Words from the Lord's Christ "of the Bible", and from God's Messengers, Moses and the Prophets, which teach me that the Jesus "of the bible" was sent by, and is the only begotten Son, who received ALL of His Power from, and was given a Name above all others by, HIS Father, the Almighty God.

Not only is your understanding of the scriptures very limited, your memory has serious problems as well. You have already said the very same words per verbatim ~ from post #338! And I have already addressed this. Next.....

Much of your post is a repeat, so not going to waste my time, or the reader's. They can determine this for themselves and it should not be a problem for them to do so. I will ask you to comment of this that I posted for you which you never even said a word:

What do think when you read such scriptures as this one:

Micah 5:2​

“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Do you just do what you accused others of doing...ignore Micah words, or look for another translation that would say something that would seemly get rid of the truth that Jesus in his deity is the God of Genesis 1:1, without any qualification whatsoever ~ for he was indeed before all, yes, from everlasting to everlasting ~ just as Isaiah called him...the "everlasting Father" .