What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

[Tothalordbeallglory]

A lot of things happened after the resurrection of Christ, as I'm sure you would agree.

J.

Let all that draws breath praise the glorious Lord .
Something very dark and sinistir has occurred with this dome called christain
The answer to the jailors question has been changed to
oh just lovey do it dont matter what one really believes just find common ground .
But me thinks many have fogotten the answer even JESUS first gave to his own
when they too exclaimed , WHO THEN LORD can be saved . WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
but not with GOD . And GOD has indeed already pre determined and done what was necessary
for one to be saved . GOD chose ,though man fights his decision with false love , HOW
to save the world . By the preaching of the gospel so that those who DO BELEIVE would be saved .
SO that was why when the jailor asked what must i do to be saved
THEY DIDNT PREACH INTERFAITH FALSE LOVE to the man but rather said , BELIEVE YE ON JESUS the CHRIST
and ye shall be saved . Just a friendly reminder to the entire lott of us people
so as we have no part or lott in this BIG fat incluisive sin accepting broad path creating lie they call love .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I'm not a Calvinist and men are depraved, by nature.

J.

Very very good reminder my friend . Men are depraved .
The heart is wicked and deceptive from the youth and up .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I'm not a Calvinist and men are depraved, by nature.

J.

And i would be bold enough to declare that anyone
who goes arounding preaching and beleiving that somehow this lovey do some good works
and it didnt matter what religoin you were in
KNOW NIETHER THE HOLY RIGHTEOUS STANDARDS of GOD , of what HE SEES AS GOOD
If they beleive and teach others to not judge other religoins and that there are GOOD people in every religoin
THEY TRULY DO NOT KNOW , UNDERSTAND the HOLY RIGHTEOUS standards of THE HOLY GOD
and they are SO VERY BLIND to the own depravity of their own selves . Blind as bats i tell us all .
By grace i know one thing for sure and for certain .
THERE is no way a man like me could ever attain to the righteousness of GOD
could ever save myself by my own merits , That in fact the Only GOODNESS i even now have within me
COMETH OF HIS SPIRIT . And that by grace through FAITH IN JESUS the CHRIST
i will no longer receive the very death sentence i had earned but rather recieve the mercy of GOD IN CHRIST JESUS
and thus a wonderful new home awaits me at my end . Just a real super duper friendly reminder to us all
OF THE ABSOLUTE DIRE NEED for folks TO BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST and for the churches to actually
FLEE THE FALSE LOVE PIT of inclusvity interfaith lies of men , and start actaully preaching what CAN SAVE A SOUL
to believe in HE WHOM GOD did send and always to remember HE IS NO MINSTIR of anyones sin either

 

[civic]

I'm not a Calvinist and men are depraved, by nature.

J.

no they are not which is why Jesus called children blessed not depraved sinners. And that men must become like children to enter into His kingdom.

How refreshing then was the Biblical, Hebrew culture where all children were considered to be gifts from the Lord. Rachel spoke as the mother of her people when she cried, "Give me children, or I shall die!" (Genesis 30:1). Hannah prayed in the temple for a child. When God answered, she named him Samuel ("God has heard"). She later gave Samuel to the Lord's service (1 Samuel 1:20, 28). Hebrew culture elevated the family and children!

How refreshing then was the Biblical, Hebrew culture where all children were considered to be gifts from the Lord.

Mark 10 shows a further elevation of children by our Lord. The account opens in verse 13 with Mark telling us that "they were bringing children to [Jesus] that he might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them." As best we can gather, fathers, mothers, and perhaps older children, were bringing young children, many of whom were babies (for that is how Luke describes them in his parallel account, 18:15), to Jesus for his blessing. This was in keeping with a classic Jewish custom that dated all the way back to the time when the patriarch Israel laid his hands upon the heads of Ephraim and Manasseh and blessed them (Genesis 48:14). It was all very proper, traditional, and wonderful. Proud parents held out their precious children to Jesus, who took them in his arms where they snuggled close. He placed his hand on their warm little heads, and lifting his eyes to Heaven, pronounced a blessing.

We can surmise that quite a number of cheerful families stood in line chatting, with babes in arms and children scurrying around. Then it stopped. Outside the house the disciples were sending them away with a rebuke!

Why were they doing this? They were protecting Jesus. They knew Jesus was under pressure. Wherever he went, he found conflict–one time with demons, another time the religious establishment, etc. And if that was not enough, there were the crashing crowds. This matter of blessing children was simply one more drain. Besides, these were just children. They were of little importance. They could not enter debate or contribute to the cause, even if they did understand about Jesus. So the disciples stopped the flow.

Verse 14 indicates that Jesus saw what was happening, and "he was indignant." The Greek word translated "indignant" occurs only here in the New Testament and is a combination of two words: "much" and "to grieve." He was much grieved!

Jesus was angry, and his words have a clipped, staccato ring to them: "[He] said to them, 'Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God'" (v. 14). What should we draw from these passionate words?

First, Jesus loves children. Jesus, after all, had been a child himself. He was a real baby, child, teenager, and man. We see Christ's love for children as he celebrates the delight of a mother on giving birth (John 16:21), the gentle love of a father who cuddles his children (Luke 11:7), and parental love that listens to a child's every request (Matthew 7:9; Luke 11:11).

Many of his miracles involved children: the nobleman's little son (John 4:46-54), the demonized son of the man at the Mount of Transfiguration (Mark 9:14-29), Jairus' daughter to whom Christ tenderly said, "Talitha cumi," which means, "Little girl, I say to you, rise" (Mark 5:41). Jesus truly, as man and God, love children!

So we learn from Jesus' indignation, first, that Jesus loves children, and, secondly, that Jesus affirms and respects the personhood and spirituality of children. In saying, "for to such belongs the kingdom of God," he affirms their full spirituality. They are the hearts he takes to himself! Christ affirms and proclaims the spiritual capacity of children.

How sobering, then, are Jesus' words, "do not hinder them." The Talmud says, "A child tells in the street what its father and mother say at home." What are children learning in our homes and in our churches?

Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it." The word translated "not" is very strong. New Testament scholar William Lane comments: "The solemn pronouncement is directed at the disciples, but has pertinence for all men confronted by the gospel because it speaks of the condition for entrance into the Kingdom of God." No one will get into the Kingdom of God unless he or she receives God's salvation like a child—no one! How are we to understand and apply this?

For starters, coming as a "child" does not infer innocence. Any two-year-old dispels such a notion! Neither does "like a child" suggest the wondrous subjective states we often find in children such as trustfulness, receptivity, simplicity, or wonder, beautiful as these are.

What Jesus has in mind here is an objective state that every child who has ever lived, regardless of race, culture, or background, has experienced—helpless dependence.

Every single child in the world is absolutely, completely, totally, objectively, subjectively, existentially helpless! And so it is with every child who is born into the kingdom of God. Children of the kingdom enter it helpless, ones for whom everything must be done.

The realization that one is as helpless as a child naturally fosters humility. Jesus gave reference to this connection when, in a similar but separate statement, he said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 18:3-4).

Do you desire to be held in Christ's arms, to hear him pronounce blessings over you? Eternity will reveal that is all we ever wanted, and our Spirit-given response is, "Dearest Father"–"Abba! Father!" (cf. Romans 8:15; Galatians 4:6). Kent Hughes

Conclusion: Children are blessings not dirty rotten little sinful babies. Why didn't Jesus say children were sinners but instead insisted adults become like children ?

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

continued:

The Old Testament is full of passages about the importance of raising children to love and worship God (Deuteronomy 6:7, Proverbs 22:6). Parents are reminded that children are a heritage from the Lord (Psalm 127:3-5). And children are instructed to obey the instruction of their parents (Exodus 20:12).

It’s in the Gospels that we really discover God’s soft spot for children. He’s gentle and kind with them, and passionate about protecting them from harm.

Here are three passages where Jesus demonstrated God’s heart for children:

At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me” (Matthew 18:1-5, New International Version).

Jesus often used things in His environment to teach spiritual truth. In this case, there were children in the crowd and Jesus used them to make an important point.

“Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

It seems like a simple question. From the disciple’s religious context, they likely would have answered, “One who keeps the law.” No one answers right away-probably because they’re all waiting for Peter to give the wrong answer. Meanwhile, Jesus calls a child over and tells them:

“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”

There’s a lot of conjecture about what Jesus means. Are we supposed to become innocent like children? Do we need childlike trust? Luckily, we don’t have to guess what Jesus meant. He tells us.

Children didn’t have a lot of rights in the first century. Kids were seen and not heard. We see this in Luke 18 when parents were bringing their infants to be blessed by Jesus, and the disciples try and chase them away. In their opinion, the Lord had more important things to do.

Jesus uses this opportunity to reiterate one of His most common points about godly leadership. Like children, kingdom-minded leaders shouldn’t be jockeying for position, looking to have power over others, or worrying about how people perceive them. They should serve God by serving others.

He then makes a point that He’ll come back to in a parable about sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-46). By welcoming and serving those that society doesn’t value, we welcome and serve God. In this case, we serve God by serving children.

“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!” (Matthew 18:6-7, NIV)

When Jesus had something important to say, He often used hyperbole. This was His way of communicating the sheer magnitude of what He was trying to communicate. You see this in the Sermon on the Mount when Jesus tells the crowd, “And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away” (Matthew 5:30, NIV).

When it comes to temptation, we’re all responsible for our own behavior. But here Jesus wants His listeners to understand the dangers of being the vehicle through which temptation comes. If your behavior leads innocent children astray, it’s better to be tossed into the depth of the sea than to face the judgment of Jesus.

When Jesus entered the synagogue leaders house and saw the noisy crowd and people playing pipes, he said, “Go away. The girl is not dead but asleep.” But they laughed at him. After the crowd had been put outside, he went in and took the girl by the hand, and she got up. News of this spread through all that region (Matthew 9:22-26, NIV).

During Jesus ministry, He raised three people from the dead. One was Lazarus (John 11), who Jesus loved. Another was a young man in the town of Nain. Jesus got caught in a funeral procession and was moved by a mother’s grieving so he raised her son (Luke 7).

In the third case, a synagogue leader named Jairus comes to Jesus because his daughter is sick and near death (Luke 8:41). He begs Jesus to come and do something, but by the time our Lord gets there, the child has died.

And, in a time when the child mortality rate was likely very high, Jesus was moved enough by this man’s faith-and this girl’s untimely death-to intervene. He demonstrates His compassion and love for children by raising Jairus’s daughter from the dead.jesusfilm.org

conclusion: If children are sinners/wicked why would Jesus demand/command adult sinners to become like little children who are sinners ? That makes no sense.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

more scripture

Matthew 18:2-5
And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven

Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 18:14
So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.

Matthew 19:13-14
Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.

Mark 9:36-37
Taking a child, He set him before them, and taking him in His arms, He said to them, “Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me does not receive Me, but Him who sent Me.”

Mark 10:13-16
And they were bringing children to Him so that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, “Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.

Luke 9:47-48
But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking in their heart, took a child and stood him by His side, and said to them, “Whoever receives this child in My name receives Me, and whoever receives Me receives Him who sent Me; for the one who is least among all of you, this is the one who is great.”

Luke 18:15-17
And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. But Jesus called for them, saying, “Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.”

conclusion: so much for total depravity. Jesus must of forgot all about that doctrine rofl.............

hope this helps !!!

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

the all inclusive and social go spell , IS ANOTHER GOSPEL
and its one many now love and embrace and beleive is the love gospel of GOD . but its the lies of men
meant only to create a version of god by means of a love of the world
to merge them all under said concept and have them to beleive its GOD and HIS LOVE
and to follows its agenda , which agenda they beleive is of GOD . BUT IT AINT OF GOD at all .

 

[civic]

now watch all the total depravity adherents ignore Jesus teaching in my previous posts. this is what happens when one places a doctrine above the teachings of Jesus the authority on truth.

 

[civic]

Jesus view of infants/children below. Notice nothing about them in sinful below but they are blessed By Jesus and He demands adults become as little children otherwise they WILL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM.

And anyone that causes one of these LITTLE CHILDREN TO STUMBLE WILL HAVE THIS HAPPEN TO THEM.

“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!” (Matthew 18:6-7, NIV)

Jesus protects Children, not condemns them as you have. Contra bible, Contra Jesus, Contra Truth.

I would heed Jesus many Woes regarding Children if I were you. You will be held accountable for your false accusations against infants and children that Jesus warned His disciples about.

Matthew 18:2-5
And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven

Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 18:14
So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.

Matthew 19:13-14
Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.

Mark 9:36-37
Taking a child, He set him before them, and taking him in His arms, He said to them, “Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me does not receive Me, but Him who sent Me.”

Mark 10:13-16
And they were bringing children to Him so that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, “Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.

Luke 9:47-48
But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking in their heart, took a child and stood him by His side, and said to them, “Whoever receives this child in My name receives Me, and whoever receives Me receives Him who sent Me; for the one who is least among all of you, this is the one who is great.”

Luke 18:15-17
And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. But Jesus called for them, saying, “Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.”


how can an infant understand, turn away, practice deceit, curse, shed blood, fear God or know the way of peace ????

just more proof texting ignoring the " CONTEXT : once again.

Romans 3 the context.

Romans 3- the Context
There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”[b]
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”[c]
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”[d]
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”[f]
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes

conclusion : I rest my case by exposing the eisegesis and mine quoting scriptures in isolation ripped from their intended context and meaning, children are not depraved just as Jesus said and taught.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

more scripture

Matthew 18:2-5
And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven

Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 18:14
So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.

Matthew 19:13-14
Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.

Mark 9:36-37
Taking a child, He set him before them, and taking him in His arms, He said to them, “Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me does not receive Me, but Him who sent Me.”

Mark 10:13-16
And they were bringing children to Him so that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, “Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.

Luke 9:47-48
But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking in their heart, took a child and stood him by His side, and said to them, “Whoever receives this child in My name receives Me, and whoever receives Me receives Him who sent Me; for the one who is least among all of you, this is the one who is great.”

Luke 18:15-17
And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. But Jesus called for them, saying, “Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.”

conclusion: so much for total depravity. Jesus must of forgot all about that doctrine rofl.............

hope this helps !!!

it is in the heart of a child to do evil , therefore lets correct the child .
Let us have CHILD LIKE FAITH . IN CHRIST JESUS . BELIEVING as do a child .
Lets not ever mistake the LOVE GOD has for the world , for children as thinking their is not evil within both man and child .
I sure never remember teaching my son to play with matches or to steal . truth is i taught him not too
But still a time or two he disobeyed and was corrected . EVIL is in the heart of a child . NOW
GOD knowns little children cannot even discern as do grown folks .
THEY must be raised up in the way in which they should Go . JESUS the CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY .
Truth is i even remember myself as a tiny child , even at around three almost four years of age
Doing wrong and being corrected . satan tempts not just adults , but even children .
WHY else ya think we got poor kids thinking perhaps they the opposite sex . I mean that thought
AINT COMING FROM GOD . Now yes i also know as of late
these poor children have been subjected unto such beleifs FROM SCHOOLS and parents .
But even before that was put into the classroom , even way back in my days
we had us one odd boy who used to dress up , or i should say tried to dress up for a time as a girl .
BACK then , however , such behavoir was corrected . TODAY its all called love . pretty sad times indeed we are living in my friend .

 

[Red Baker]

nowhere in the entire bible does it say any of them were quickened to life. In fact a couple times it say God found a righteous man, not that He quickened them to make them righteous

Do you have spiritual dementia? The Lord is the True Physician, you need to make an appointment because you have a serious condition that needs to be taken care of.

John 5:21​

“For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.”

John 6:63

“It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing” (John 6:63).

All the Divine operations in the economy of salvation proceed from the Father, are through the Son, and are executed by the Spirit. Quickening is His initial work in the elect. It is that supernatural act by which He brings them out of the grave of spiritual death on to resurrection ground. By it He imparts a principle of grace and habit of holiness; it is the communication of the life of God to the soul. It is an act of creation (2 Cor. 5:17). It is a Divine “workmanship” (Eph. 2:10). All of these terms denote an act of Omnipotency. The origination of life is utterly impossible to the creature. He can receive life; he can nourish life; he can use and exert it; but he cannot create life.

In this work the Spirit acts as sovereign. “The wind bloweth where it listeth (or “pleaseth”) . . . so is every one that is born of the Spirit” (John 3:8). This does not mean that He acts capriciously, or without reason and motive, but that He is above any obligation to the creature, and is quite uninfluenced by us in what He does. The Spirit might justly have left every one of us in the hardness of our hearts to perish forever. In quickening one and not another, in bringing a few from death unto life and leaving the mass still dead in trespasses and sins, the Spirit has mercy “on whom He will have mercy.” He is absolutely free to work in whom He pleases, for none of the fallen sons of Adam have the slightest claim upon Him.

The quickening of the spiritually dead into newness of life is therefore an act of amazing grace: it is an unsought and unmerited favour. The sinner, who is the chosen subject of this Divine operation and object of this inestimable blessing, is infinitely ill-deserving in himself, being thoroughly disposed to go on in wickedness till this change is wrought in him. He is rebellious, and will not hearken to the Divine command; he is obstinate and refuses to repent and embrace the Gospel. However terrified he may be with the fears of threatened doom, however earnest may be his desire to escape misery and be happy forever, no matter how many prayers he may make and things he may do, he has not the least inclination to repent and submit to God. His heart is defiant, full of enmity against God, and daily does he add iniquity unto iniquity. For the Spirit to give a new heart unto such as one is indeed an act of amazing and sovereign grace.

This quickening by the Spirit is instantaneous: it is a Divine act, and not a process; it is wrought at once, and not gradually. In a moment of time the soul passes from death unto life. The soul which before was dead toward God, is now alive to Him. The soul which was completely under the domination of sin, is now set free; though the sinful nature itself is not removed nor rendered inoperative, yet the heart is no longer en rapport (in sympathy) with it. The Spirit of God finds the heart wholly corrupt and desperately wicked, but by a miracle of grace He changes its bent, and this by implanting within it the imperishable seed of holiness. There is no medium between a carnal and a spiritual state: the one is what we were by nature, the other is what we become by grace, by the instantaneous and invincible operation of the Almighty Spirit. This initial work of quickening is entirely unperceived by us, for it lies outside the realm and the range of human consciousness. Those who are dead possess no perception, and though the work of bringing them on to resurrection ground is indeed a great and powerful one, in the very nature of the case its subjects can know nothing whatever about it until after it has been accomplished. When Adam was created, he was conscious of nothing but that he now existed and was free to act: the Divine operation which was the cause of his existence was over and finished before he began to be conscious of anything. This initial operation of the Spirit by which the elect become new creatures can only be known by its effects and consequences. “The wind bloweth where it listeth,” that is first; then “thou hearest the sound thereof” (John 3:8): it is now made known, in a variety of ways, to the conscience and understanding.

Under this work of quickening we are entirely passive, by which is meant that there is no co-operation whatever between the will of the sinner and the act of the Holy Spirit. As we have said, this initial work of the Spirit is effected by free and sovereign grace, consisting of the infusion of a principle of spiritual life into the soul, by which all it faculties are supernaturally renovated. This being the case, the sinner must be entirely passive, like clay in the hands of a potter, for until Divine grace is exerted upon him he is utterly incapable of any spiritual acts, being dead in trespasses and sins. Lazarus cooperated not in his resurrection: he knew not that the Saviour had come to his sepulchre to deliver him from death. Such is the case with each of God’s elect when the Spirit commences to deal with them. They must first be quickened into newness of life before they can have the slightest desire or motion of the will toward spiritual things; hence, for them to contribute the smallest iota unto their quickening is utterly impossible. The life which the Spirit imparts when He quickens is uniform in all its favoured subjects.

“As seed virtually contains in it all that afterwards proceeds from it, the blade, stalk, ear, and full corn in the ear, so the first principle of grace implanted in the heart seminally contains all the grace which afterwards appears in all the fruits, effects, acts, and exercises of it” (John Gill). Each quickened person experiences the same radical change, by which the image of God is stamped upon the soul: “that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit” (John 3:6), never any thing less, and never any thing more. Each quickened person is made a new creature in Christ, and possesses all the constituent parts of “the new man.” Later, some may be more lively and vigorous at their birth, as God gives stronger faith unto one than to another; yet there is no difference in their original: all partake of the same life.

While there is great variety in our perception and understanding of the work of the Spirit within us, there is no difference in the initial work itself. While there is much difference in the carrying on of this work unto perfection in the growth of the “new creature”— some making speedy progress, others thriving slowly and bringing forth little fruit—yet the new creation itself is the same in all. Each alike enters the kingdom of God, becomes a vital member of Christ’s mystical body, is given a place in the living family of God. Later, one may appear more beautiful than another, by having the image of his heavenly Father more evidently imprinted upon him, yet not more truly so. There are degrees in sanctification, but none in vivification. There has never been but one kind of spiritual quickening in this world, being in its essential nature specifically the same in all.

Let it be pointed out in conclusion that the Spirit’s quickening is only the beginning of God’s work of grace in the soul. This does not wholly renew the heart at once: no indeed, the inner man needs to be “renewed day by day” (2 Cor. 4:16). But from that small beginning, the work continues—God watering it “every moment” (Isa. 27:3)—and goes on to perfection; that is, till the heart is made perfectly clean and holy, which is not accomplished till death. God continues to work in His elect, “both to will and to do of His own good pleasure,” they being as completely dependent upon the Spirit’s influence for every right exercise of the will after, as for the first. “Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Phil. 1:6).—A.W.P.

 

[civic]

Strong's Lexicon
paidion: child, little child, young child, infant
Original Word: παιδίον
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: paidion
Pronunciation: pahee-DEE-on
Phonetic Spelling: (pahee-dee'-on)
Definition: child, little child, young child, infant
Meaning: a little child, an infant, little one.

Word Origin: Diminutive of παῖς (pais), meaning "child" or "servant"

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H5288 נַעַר (na'ar): Often translated as "boy" or "youth," used to describe young children or servants.

- H3206 יֶלֶד (yeled): Meaning "child" or "offspring," used to denote a young person.

Usage: The term "paidion" is used in the New Testament to refer to a young child or infant. It often conveys a sense of innocence, dependency, and the need for care and guidance. The diminutive form emphasizes the smallness or youth of the child, highlighting their vulnerability and the nurturing required.

Cultural and Historical Background: In the Greco-Roman world, children were considered part of the household but had little social status. They were under the authority of their parents and were expected to learn and grow under their guidance. In Jewish culture, children were seen as a blessing from God, and their upbringing was closely tied to religious instruction and community life. The use of "paidion" in the New Testament often reflects these cultural values, emphasizing the importance of nurturing and teaching children in the faith.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3813: παιδίον

παιδίον, παιδίου, τό (diminutive of παῖς) (from Herodotus down), the Sept. for טַף, נַעַר, בֵּן, etc.; a young child, a little boy, a little girl; plural τά παιδία, infants; children; little ones. In singular: universally, of an infant just born, John 16:21; of a (male) child recently born, Matthew 2:8, 11, 13, 14, 20; Luke 1:59, 66, 76, 80; Luke 2:17, 21 (Rec.), 21,40; Hebrews 11:23; of a more advanced child, Matthew 18:2, 4; Mark 9:36f; (Mark 10:15); Luke 9:47f; (Luke 18:17); of a mature child, Mark 9:24; τίνος, the son of someone, John 4:49; of a girl, Mark 5:39-41; (Mark 7:30 L text T Tr WH). In plural of (partly grown) children: Matthew 11:16 G L T Tr WH; ; Mark 7:28; Mark 10:13ff; Luke 7:32; Luke 18:16; (Hebrews 2:14); τίνος, of someone, Luke 11:7, cf. Hebrews 2:13. Metaphorically, παιδία ταῖς φρεσί, children (i. e. like children) where the use of the mind is required, 1 Corinthians 14:20; in affectionate address, equivalent to Latincarissimi (A. V. children), John 21:5; 1 John 2:14 (13),18; (1 John 3:7 WH marginal reading Synonym: see παῖς, at the end.)

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

Do you have spiritual dementia? The Lord is the True Physician, you need to make an appointment because you have a serious condition that needs to be taken care of.

John 5:21​

“For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.”

John 6:63

“It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing” (John 6:63).

All the Divine operations in the economy of salvation proceed from the Father, are through the Son, and are executed by the Spirit. Quickening is His initial work in the elect. It is that supernatural act by which He brings them out of the grave of spiritual death on to resurrection ground. By it He imparts a principle of grace and habit of holiness; it is the communication of the life of God to the soul. It is an act of creation (2 Cor. 5:17). It is a Divine “workmanship” (Eph. 2:10). All of these terms denote an act of Omnipotency. The origination of life is utterly impossible to the creature. He can receive life; he can nourish life; he can use and exert it; but he cannot create life.

In this work the Spirit acts as sovereign. “The wind bloweth where it listeth (or “pleaseth”) . . . so is every one that is born of the Spirit” (John 3:8). This does not mean that He acts capriciously, or without reason and motive, but that He is above any obligation to the creature, and is quite uninfluenced by us in what He does. The Spirit might justly have left every one of us in the hardness of our hearts to perish forever. In quickening one and not another, in bringing a few from death unto life and leaving the mass still dead in trespasses and sins, the Spirit has mercy “on whom He will have mercy.” He is absolutely free to work in whom He pleases, for none of the fallen sons of Adam have the slightest claim upon Him.

The quickening of the spiritually dead into newness of life is therefore an act of amazing grace: it is an unsought and unmerited favour. The sinner, who is the chosen subject of this Divine operation and object of this inestimable blessing, is infinitely ill-deserving in himself, being thoroughly disposed to go on in wickedness till this change is wrought in him. He is rebellious, and will not hearken to the Divine command; he is obstinate and refuses to repent and embrace the Gospel. However terrified he may be with the fears of threatened doom, however earnest may be his desire to escape misery and be happy forever, no matter how many prayers he may make and things he may do, he has not the least inclination to repent and submit to God. His heart is defiant, full of enmity against God, and daily does he add iniquity unto iniquity. For the Spirit to give a new heart unto such as one is indeed an act of amazing and sovereign grace.

This quickening by the Spirit is instantaneous: it is a Divine act, and not a process; it is wrought at once, and not gradually. In a moment of time the soul passes from death unto life. The soul which before was dead toward God, is now alive to Him. The soul which was completely under the domination of sin, is now set free; though the sinful nature itself is not removed nor rendered inoperative, yet the heart is no longer en rapport (in sympathy) with it. The Spirit of God finds the heart wholly corrupt and desperately wicked, but by a miracle of grace He changes its bent, and this by implanting within it the imperishable seed of holiness. There is no medium between a carnal and a spiritual state: the one is what we were by nature, the other is what we become by grace, by the instantaneous and invincible operation of the Almighty Spirit. This initial work of quickening is entirely unperceived by us, for it lies outside the realm and the range of human consciousness. Those who are dead possess no perception, and though the work of bringing them on to resurrection ground is indeed a great and powerful one, in the very nature of the case its subjects can know nothing whatever about it until after it has been accomplished. When Adam was created, he was conscious of nothing but that he now existed and was free to act: the Divine operation which was the cause of his existence was over and finished before he began to be conscious of anything. This initial operation of the Spirit by which the elect become new creatures can only be known by its effects and consequences. “The wind bloweth where it listeth,” that is first; then “thou hearest the sound thereof” (John 3:8): it is now made known, in a variety of ways, to the conscience and understanding.

Under this work of quickening we are entirely passive, by which is meant that there is no co-operation whatever between the will of the sinner and the act of the Holy Spirit. As we have said, this initial work of the Spirit is effected by free and sovereign grace, consisting of the infusion of a principle of spiritual life into the soul, by which all it faculties are supernaturally renovated. This being the case, the sinner must be entirely passive, like clay in the hands of a potter, for until Divine grace is exerted upon him he is utterly incapable of any spiritual acts, being dead in trespasses and sins. Lazarus cooperated not in his resurrection: he knew not that the Saviour had come to his sepulchre to deliver him from death. Such is the case with each of God’s elect when the Spirit commences to deal with them. They must first be quickened into newness of life before they can have the slightest desire or motion of the will toward spiritual things; hence, for them to contribute the smallest iota unto their quickening is utterly impossible. The life which the Spirit imparts when He quickens is uniform in all its favoured subjects.

“As seed virtually contains in it all that afterwards proceeds from it, the blade, stalk, ear, and full corn in the ear, so the first principle of grace implanted in the heart seminally contains all the grace which afterwards appears in all the fruits, effects, acts, and exercises of it” (John Gill). Each quickened person experiences the same radical change, by which the image of God is stamped upon the soul: “that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit” (John 3:6), never any thing less, and never any thing more. Each quickened person is made a new creature in Christ, and possesses all the constituent parts of “the new man.” Later, some may be more lively and vigorous at their birth, as God gives stronger faith unto one than to another; yet there is no difference in their original: all partake of the same life.

While there is great variety in our perception and understanding of the work of the Spirit within us, there is no difference in the initial work itself. While there is much difference in the carrying on of this work unto perfection in the growth of the “new creature”— some making speedy progress, others thriving slowly and bringing forth little fruit—yet the new creation itself is the same in all. Each alike enters the kingdom of God, becomes a vital member of Christ’s mystical body, is given a place in the living family of God. Later, one may appear more beautiful than another, by having the image of his heavenly Father more evidently imprinted upon him, yet not more truly so. There are degrees in sanctification, but none in vivification. There has never been but one kind of spiritual quickening in this world, being in its essential nature specifically the same in all.

Let it be pointed out in conclusion that the Spirit’s quickening is only the beginning of God’s work of grace in the soul. This does not wholly renew the heart at once: no indeed, the inner man needs to be “renewed day by day” (2 Cor. 4:16). But from that small beginning, the work continues—God watering it “every moment” (Isa. 27:3)—and goes on to perfection; that is, till the heart is made perfectly clean and holy, which is not accomplished till death. God continues to work in His elect, “both to will and to do of His own good pleasure,” they being as completely dependent upon the Spirit’s influence for every right exercise of the will after, as for the first. “Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Phil. 1:6).—A.W.P.

We are talking about those God called righteous in the OT. - not everyone in general.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

now watch all the total depravity adherents ignore Jesus teaching in my previous posts. this is what happens when one places a doctrine above the teachings of Jesus the authority on truth.

Civic just slow down a bit my friend . I already know well
that GOD knows small children , children cannot discern as do grown folks .
Now an example of this can first be seen in the wilderness
WHEN GOD told all those twenty and upwards they would die in the wilderness
the younger , NOT able to discern etc , THEY would later go into the promised land .
SO yes i do understand . But evil is in the heart of a child from its youth and up .
You ever seen a child have what is known as the terrible twos
and scream and rage when it dont get its way . Now again i do understand THE DISCERNMENT
is not in that child , but that dont mean evil is not present . What it do mean is
CHRISTAIN parents NEED to raise them children up in the way they SHOULD GO .
HE who spares the rod , wont correct ,is partaker in the bad behavoir of said child .
WHICH , please allow me to rebuke the school system and woke folks
HEY WOKIES , children are called dependants for a reason . THEY DEPEND on grown folks
with fully formed brains to guide them up in the right way
NOT ALLOW the child to self destruct and say LETS HEAR THE CHILD . this generation is and has tanked my friend
if they BELIEVE the child KNOWS what is best for themselves .

 

[Johann]

no they are not which is why Jesus called children blessed not depraved sinners. And that men must become like children to enter into His kingdom.

Yes they are-


The Universal Sinfulness of Man
Psalm 51:5
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me."

David acknowledges that from conception, sin was part of his nature, implying inherent depravity rather than sin being merely a learned behavior.

Psalm 58:3
"The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies."

This verse portrays human corruption as something present from birth, not acquired later in life.

Genesis 6:5
"Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

This describes the total corruption of humanity before the flood, emphasizing that man's very thoughts were continuously evil.

Genesis 8:21
"The imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth."

This reinforces the idea that sinfulness is ingrained in human nature from youth onward.

Ecclesiastes 9:3
"The heart of the sons of men is full of evil; madness is in their heart while they live."

This further supports the inherent depravity of human nature.

2. No One is Righteous by Nature

Romans 3:10-12 (quoting Psalm 14:1-3, 53:1-3)
"As it is written: There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."

Paul emphasizes that no one is naturally righteous, wise, or even inclined to seek God apart from divine intervention.

Isaiah 64:6
"But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags."

Even the best human deeds are tainted by sin.

Jeremiah 17:9
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?"

This highlights the depth of human depravity—man's heart is inherently deceitful and corrupt.

Romans 8:7-8
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

The natural man (the "carnal mind") is hostile to God and incapable of submitting to His law.

Ephesians 2:1-3
"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others."

Paul describes people as spiritually dead before salvation, enslaved to sinful desires, and by nature objects of God’s wrath.

3. Man Cannot Save Himself or Do Good Apart from God

John 3:19-20
"And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed."

Man naturally prefers darkness (sin) over light (truth).

John 6:44
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him."

Man is incapable of coming to God by his own effort.

1 Corinthians 2:14
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

The unregenerate person cannot understand or accept spiritual truth.

Titus 3:3-5
"For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit."

Humanity is utterly lost in sin until God's mercy intervenes.

4. Jesus' Teaching on Human Depravity
Mark 7:21-23
"For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man."

Jesus confirms that sin originates from within man, not merely from external influences.

Matthew 7:18
"A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit."

Man's nature determines his actions, and an evil nature cannot produce true righteousness.

5. The Need for a New Nature (Regeneration)
Because mankind is corrupt by nature, salvation requires a supernatural transformation:

Ezekiel 36:26-27
"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them."

This foreshadows the necessity of regeneration, where God changes the sinful nature of man.

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

Only through Christ can the depraved nature be renewed.

Summary
Humanity is sinful from birth (Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3).
No one is righteous by nature (Romans 3:10-12, Isaiah 64:6).
The heart is inherently deceitful and corrupt (Jeremiah 17:9).
Man hates the light and does not seek God on his own (John 3:19-20, Romans 8:7-8).
The natural man cannot understand or accept spiritual truth (1 Corinthians 2:14).
Jesus taught that sin originates from within man (Mark 7:21-23).
Only through God's mercy and regeneration can man be made new (Ezekiel 36:26-27, 2 Corinthians 5:17).
This demonstrates that men are depraved by nature and completely dependent on God for salvation.

I accept the Word exactly as it is written, without attempting to redefine it to fit a personal narrative. Scripture clearly states that this is a condition of the heart, not merely the result of external influences.

It is time to unlearn what has been wrongly taught, embrace the Word as it is written, and live according to it-demonstrating faith through action rather than mere words.

J.

 

[civic]

Civic just slow down a bit my friend . I already know well
that GOD knows small children , children cannot discern as do grown folks .
Now an example of this can first be seen in the wilderness
WHEN GOD told all those twenty and upwards they would die in the wilderness
the younger , NOT able to discern etc , THEY would later go into the promised land .
SO yes i do understand . But evil is in the heart of a child from its youth and up .
You ever seen a child have what is known as the terrible twos
and scream and rage when it dont get its way . Now again i do understand THE DISCERNMENT
is not in that child , but that dont mean evil is not present . What it do mean is
CHRISTAIN parents NEED to raise them children up in the way they SHOULD GO .
HE who spares the rod , wont correct ,is partaker in the bad behavoir of said child .
WHICH , please allow me to rebuke the school system and woke folks
HEY WOKIES , children are called dependants for a reason . THEY DEPEND on grown folks
with fully formed brains to guide them up in the right way
NOT ALLOW the child to self destruct and say LETS HEAR THE CHILD . this generation is and has tanked my friend
if they BELIEVE the child KNOWS what is best for themselves .

so let me ask you this does your 2 year old child/grandchild who gets hit by a car and dies go to heaven or hell ?

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

We are talking about those God called righteous in the OT. - not everyone in general.

Being called righteous also included the pattern of when one did sin to repent and offer up a sacrfice to cover his errors .
Often it is made mention of the heart of king david . WHICH REALLY was AFTER GOD .
But even he erred a time or two and he followed the pattern of sacrfice for remission .
FROM A TRULY REPENTANT HEART i might add . As i am sure you already know this my friend .
The reason i bring it up is , NOTICE david and others DIDNT REJECT GODS WAYS on what to do
if one erred . TODAY I SURE seems me a lot of folks who wont even remind these poor lost
souls of JESUS THE CHRIST
and if one even does they preach a jesus who accepts sins , overlooks sins and errors and seemth
to even accept such actions . Jesus dont hold hundred dollah bills yall
and cry hAve ya best life now . NOR do he hold that dark rainbow , or any other sin .
Todays its been rated R . what word has been rated R to the church so as they dare not to even make mention of it
REPENTANCE . rather they preach acceptance .
And as far as BELIEVE ye IN JESUS the CHRIST , heck the other religoins all get a pass if they lovey dooed .
I would for sure and for certain have to say , WE have us a MASSIVE delusion in the house my friend . as i am sure you would agree .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

so let me ask you this does a 2 year old who gets hit by a car and die go to heaven or hell ?

can it discern its right hand from its left . NOTICE what i wrote earlier
about those who were old enough to discern and how they all died in the wilderness
yet those who were not old enough to discern , THEY roamed it till all others had died and they went in .
SO to answer your question , OF COURSE IT WOULD . a two year old cannot discern hardly a thing
WHEN davids baby died , David said I will go to him at the end , HE cannot come back to me .
OF course i know infants and children have not the discernement as a grown person .
THEY are in total ignorance and unable to discern . BUT that dont mean evil is not present within them .
cause FRIEND it sure is .......................

 

[civic]

can it discern its right hand from its left . NOTICE what i wrote earlier
about those who were old enough to discern and how they all died in the wilderness
yet those who were not old enough to discern , THEY roamed it till all others had died and they went in .
SO to answer your question , OF COURSE IT WOULD . a two year old cannot discern hardly a thing
WHEN davids baby died , David said I will go to him at the end , HE cannot come back to me .
OF course i know infants and children have not the discernement as a grown person .
THEY are in total ignorance and unable to discern . BUT that dont mean evil is not present within them .
cause FRIEND it sure is .......................

agreed which is why total depravity is wrong. if it were true then all children would go to hell. thats why they invented infant baptism lol.

 

[Johann]

can it discern its right hand from its left . NOTICE what i wrote earlier
about those who were old enough to discern and how they all died in the wilderness
yet those who were not old enough to discern , THEY roamed it till all others had died and they went in .
SO to answer your question , OF COURSE IT WOULD . a two year old cannot discern hardly a thing
WHEN davids baby died , David said I will go to him at the end , HE cannot come back to me .
OF course i know infants and children have not the discernement as a grown person .
THEY are in total ignorance and unable to discern . BUT that dont mean evil is not present within them .
cause FRIEND it sure is .......................

@Amigo--Ditto.

J.