What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

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A continuation from #286..........

Hebrews 7:1-28 ~ to save space and time, please read these short verses first, then I'm going to give a brief understanding of them for our readers consideration.

Hebrews 7 will teach us that the Mosaic period with its Levitical Priesthood was temporary, inadequate, defective. The Hebrews believed that the Levitical system of priesthood was "perfect". It had been instituted by Jehovah Himself, so surely it must be sufficient and permanent! If the whole Aaronic system was of Divine appointment how could it possibly be, in itself, so unsatisfactory that it must now be discarded? The inspired writer will prove this to be so by invincible logic that the Levitical system was imperfect, and therefore had been superceded by something far better in so many ways.

First, the inspired writer proves this by a Priest of God whom even Abraham acknowledge to be great by giving him a tenth of the spoils Abraham had gotten when he met him returning from the slaughtering of the kings. This priest named Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, was made priest like unto the Son of God. His name signified the King of righteousness and the place of his origin ~ Salem, meant a King of peace, both perfectly typified the Son of God.

Hebrews 7:3​

“Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.”

Means there was no record of his birth or death, which allow him to perfectly be made like unto the Son of God. So much more so than the priest under the Mosaic system, or the first/old covenant.

Hebrews 7:11​

“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?”

The apostle now points out some of the consequences of Christ’s being a Priest "after the order of Melchizedek". The first he mentions is that the Levitical was unable to bring in "perfection". This was evident. Had it done so there was no need for introducing another. But wherein was it that the Levitical system fell short? What was it that it failed to procure? To answer these questions we need to carefully weigh the expression "perfection".

"Perfection" means the bringing of a thing to that completeness of condition designed for it. Doctrinally it refers to the producing of a satisfactory and final relation between God and men. It speaks of that unchangable standing in the favor and blessing of God which Christ has secured for His people. In Hebrews 12:23 we read of "the spirits of just men made perfect", which does not mean that the Old Testament saints had been perfected in holiness and happiness (though that, of course, was true of them), but that they had been "made perfect" as their title to heavenly glory. This did not take place till the sacrifice of Christ had been offered, though, in the certain prospect of its accomplishment, they had received the blessings which flow from it long before: Hebrews 11:40

In our present section the apostle insists that "perfection" could not be produced by the Levites, and that a priesthood which did bring in perfection must be superior. It therefore remains for us to enquire next, What are the great ends of priesthood? What is it that the priest should effect? The priest was the mediator who drew near unto God on behalf of others. His work was to present to Him a sacrifice for the satisfying of Divine justice. It was to effect such a procuring of His favor and such a securing of a standing-ground before Him for those whom he represented, that their conscience might be at peace. It was to come forth from His presence that he might pronounce blessing. Had the Levitical priesthood been able to obtain these things? Had Aaron and his successors obtained God’s remission from all the consequences of sin and brought in a complete and abiding redemption? No, indeed.

The office and work of a priesthood may be considered two ways: first, as it respects God, who is the prime and immediate object of all the proper acts of that office; second, as it respects His people, who are the subject of its blessings and the beneficiaries of its administration. As priesthood respects God, its chief design was to make expiation of sin by means of an atoning sacrifice. But this the Levitical priesthood was unable to do. A typical, ceremonial, and temporary value attached to their sacerdotal ministrations; but an effectual, vital, and permanent did not. This is positively stated in Hebrews 10:4 "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins". Why, then, were such appointed? To exhibit the holy claims of God and the requirements of His justice; to prefigure the great Sacrifice yet to come.

Let us next inquire, What was the "perfection" which Christ hath brought in? And here we cannot do better than give a summary of the most helpful exposition of John Owen. That which Christ hath produced to the glory of God and the blessing of His people is, First , righteousness. The introduction of all imperfection was by sin. This made the law weak (Romans 8:3) and sinners to be "without strength" (Romans 5:6) Therefore perfection must be introduced by righteousness. That was the fundamental of the new covenant: see Isaiah 60:21; Psalms 72:9, etc. Therefore do the saints speak of Christ as "The Lord our righteousness" (Jeremiah 23:6). Christ has brought in an "everlasting righteousness" (Daniel 9:24) Therefore are believers "made the righteousness of God in him. (2nd Corinthians 5:17)

Second, peace is the next thing which belongs to the evangelical "perfection" of Christianity/New covenant of pure grace. As the High Priest of the covenant it pertained to the Lord Jesus to make peace between God and sinners. "When we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son" (Romans 5:10) Therefore is He denominated "The Prince of peace"~(Isaiah 9:6) He is such because He has "made peace through the blood of His cross" (Colossians 1:10) The result of this is that believers have "peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"~Romans 5:1. Thus the evangel we proclaim is "The Gospel of peace" (Ephesians 6:15)

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A continuation #302

Third, under the New covenant the blessing of light is given much more gloriously, so much more. God, under the New covenant, reserved the honor of revealing his hidden eternal purposes under the covenant where his Son his alone is exalted as God blessed forever.

Hebrews 7:26​

“For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

There was under the Levitical priesthood but a "shadow of good things to come" Hebrews 10:1

But much of the OT scriptures remain a hidden mystery until Christ, even to a degree from the righteous, which we can see the truth of this in the apostles in their early days before Pentecost. The prophets themselves perceived not the depths of their own predictions~1st Peter 1:11,12.

Fourth, access to God. There belongs to the "perfection" which Christ hath brought in, a liberty and boldness of approach unto the throne of grace that was not only unknown but expressly forbidden under the law. At Sinai the people were fenced off at the foot of the mount, when Jehovah appeared to Moses on its summit. In the tabernacle, none save the priests were suffered to go beyond the outer court, and they not at all into the holy of holies where God dwelt. How blessed is the contrast today. "For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father" (Ephesians 2:18; etc.)

Actually, there are so many blessings that the gospel of Christ brings over the law, that their blessings are too numerous to mention in depth ~ joy, glorying in Christ alone, a conscience free of guilt, with no more remembrance of our sins, especially so the sins of our youth, etc. which the law and its sacrifices could never do, since the comers had to do it again the next year. But, the point has been made, the new covenant far excess the old covenant, in every way conceivable.

Hebrews 7:12
“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

First , the Levitical priesthood was inadequate, incapable of producing "perfection". Second , therefore it was but a temporary institution, and the whole economy connected with it must be set aside. In other words, Judaism as such, was now defunct. Thus "a change of the law" means a change of dispensation, a change of Divine administration. This at once fixes the meaning of "law" in the parenthetic clause of the previous verse. The reference is not to the ten commandments, (as a "rule" to live by) but to the Mosaic system.

Many who professed the faith of the Gospel continued to obstinately contend that the Mosaic law remained in force. It was this same contention which caused so much trouble in the early churches, the Judaizes harassing the Gentile converts with their insistence upon circumcision and subjection to the ceremonial laws. Difficult as it was for a pious Jew to believe that God should have set aside as dead and useless the whole solemn system of worship, which He had appointed in so glorious a manner and accepted for so many centuries, yet the proof that He had done so was abundant and clear. The law and the Gospel can not mix. Works and grace are antithetical. (Romans 11:5,6) Moses must disappear when Christ is revealed. So far from God’s people being the losers they are immeasurably the gainers by His bringing in the "better hope" ~ which are based upon better promises and God's holy oath!

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Moses is the issue. Not Jesus.

Moses is an issue with you it seems, He wasn't an issue for Jesus, and he isn't for me. Here, lets post Jesus own Words regarding Moses.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Luke 16: 28 For I have five brethren; that he (Abraham) may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them "from the dead", they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they "hear not Moses and the prophets", neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Luke 24: 25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart "to believe all that the prophets have spoken": 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

John 5: 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and "seek not the honour that cometh from God only"? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had "ye believed Moses", ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye "believe not" his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I didn't even mention Moses in my post that you replied to. In fact, you didn't even address my post.

Moses wasn't God.

I don't ever recall saying he was. Where in any of my posts ever, did I say, suggest of even imply that Moses was God? And since you know I have never even implied such a thing, what is the purpose of your post, to reply as if I had?

I'm not sure what the point of this reply was. It would be kind of you, if you would get to your point.

Moses died because he didn't listen to God.

Abraham died too. Caleb died as well. So did Daniel, and Noah, and Jeremiah, and Isaiah. So will you and I. All men, accept the Jesus "of the Bible", have sinned. Moses was a Sinner when God called him to lead Abraham's children out of Egypt? Abraham was a sinner when God called him to deny himself, leave his old life and follow God. What is your point?

You're no different than Moses.

What a stupid thing to say. God didn't choose me lead Israel out of sin and define for Abraham's Children, what God's Righteousness is. What do you mean I am no different than Moses? I am way different than Moses. Moses was a great man, I am a nobody.

Clearly, you and the Jesus "of the Bible", are not of the same mind where Moses is concerned.

Moses wasn't the standard for pleasing God.

Moses was a Messenger of God, Yes? The Words HE spoke, where from God, Yes? The Word's Jeremiah spoke, were from God. The Word's Isaiah spoke, were from God. The Words Jesus spoke, were from God.

God's Word is the standard for pleasing God. Jesus was given a name above all others, "because" HE "Lived By" God's Word from His Youth. Paul lived by God's Word. Abraham too, and Moses.

Were they perfect from their youth like Jesus? NO! But they all "pressed toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus".

Isn't that the "Whole Duty" of man?

If we had a conversation, I believe I could dismantle your arguments rather quickly. I'm starting a youtube channel. Maybe we can do a live session to discuss issues like this?

If you believe you can dismantle my argument, "If men choose to believe Ecc. 7:19, 20, they should also choose to believe Ecc. 12:12,13", please go for it. I hear there is big money in religion, and what better way to receive the praise of men than to start a u-tube channel, or I hear onlyfans is popular too. 🤣

Lots of competition though between competing religious sects.

Let me know your thoughts.

It would be good if you could reply to what I actually said, so I can know your thoughts.

John 14: 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I understand this is a widely taught philosophy, that Jesus came to bring His own laws. But through study of the Scriptures, and Jesus own Words, I have found that HE didn't come to bring His own Laws, but to instruct me to "Live by" His Father's Every Word, as HE did. In this way I am "Learned of the Father".

Thanks for the discussion.
 
Tell me about "your" Jesus ~ is he the mighty God that was manifest in flesh? Can you walk just as perfect as he walked in the days of his flesh? Did your Jesus come and secure eternal life for those that God had given to him? Tell me, do not danced around my questions to you.
no only a mere man who resisited temptation in the flesh.
 
Moses is an issue with you it seems, He wasn't an issue for Jesus, and he isn't for me. Here, lets post Jesus own Words regarding Moses.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Luke 16: 28 For I have five brethren; that he (Abraham) may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them "from the dead", they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they "hear not Moses and the prophets", neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Luke 24: 25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart "to believe all that the prophets have spoken": 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

John 5: 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and "seek not the honour that cometh from God only"? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had "ye believed Moses", ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye "believe not" his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I didn't even mention Moses in my post that you replied to. In fact, you didn't even address my post.



I don't ever recall saying he was. Where in any of my posts ever, did I say, suggest of even imply that Moses was God? And since you know I have never even implied such a thing, what is the purpose of your post, to reply as if I had?

I'm not sure what the point of this reply was. It would be kind of you, if you would get to your point.



Abraham died too. Caleb died as well. So did Daniel, and Noah, and Jeremiah, and Isaiah. So will you and I. All men, accept the Jesus "of the Bible", have sinned. Moses was a Sinner when God called him to lead Abraham's children out of Egypt? Abraham was a sinner when God called him to deny himself, leave his old life and follow God. What is your point?



What a stupid thing to say. God didn't choose me lead Israel out of sin and define for Abraham's Children, what God's Righteousness is. What do you mean I am no different than Moses? I am way different than Moses. Moses was a great man, I am a nobody.

Clearly, you and the Jesus "of the Bible", are not of the same mind where Moses is concerned.



Moses was a Messenger of God, Yes? The Words HE spoke, where from God, Yes? The Word's Jeremiah spoke, were from God. The Word's Isaiah spoke, were from God. The Words Jesus spoke, were from God.

God's Word is the standard for pleasing God. Jesus was given a name above all others, "because" HE "Lived By" God's Word from His Youth. Paul lived by God's Word. Abraham too, and Moses.

Were they perfect from their youth like Jesus? NO! But they all "pressed toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus".

Isn't that the "Whole Duty" of man?



If you believe you can dismantle my argument, "If men choose to believe Ecc. 7:19, 20, they should also choose to believe Ecc. 12:12,13", please go for it. I hear there is big money in religion, and what better way to receive the praise of men than to start a u-tube channel, or I hear onlyfans is popular too. 🤣

Lots of competition though between competing religious sects.



It would be good if you could reply to what I actually said, so I can know your thoughts.



Thanks for the discussion.
None of the OT prophets ever pointed to themselves for salvation and neither did the Apostles. Jesus pointed to Himself and there is salvation found in no other name. His name is the name above all names.

Salvation is of the Lord- Jesus is that Lord.

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end of discussion

hope this helps !!!
 
Tell me about "your" Jesus ~ is he the mighty God that was manifest in flesh? Can you walk just as perfect as he walked in the days of his flesh? Did your Jesus come and secure eternal life for those that God had given to him? Tell me, do not danced around my questions to you.

Oh my goodness, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You silly man. I'm talking about the Jesus "of the Bible". Not the images of God in the likeness of some random, long-haired handsome man that is worshiped by this world's religious system. I post His Words in our discussions, but you ignore them. You can read His Words for yourself, in a Book called "The Holy Bible". I know this world's religious websites are more seductive, and you can pick though the dozens of them, until you find one that aligns with your specific religious sect, then copy and paste their sermons. This is a very popular way to promote this world's religious businesses and sects. But personally, I prefer to hear God's Word through studying the Bible in belief (AKA Faith) that God knows what HE is doing, and that men knew God "even before the internet".
 
Oh my goodness,
I know you think you have much, but no man does!

You silly man. I'm talking about the Jesus "of the Bible". Not the images of God in the likeness of some random, long-haired handsome man that is worshiped by this world's religious system. I post His Words in our discussions, but you ignore them. You can read His Words for yourself, in a Book called "The Holy Bible". I know this world's religious websites are more seductive, and you can pick though the dozens of them, until you find one that aligns with your specific religious sect, then copy and paste their sermons. This is a very popular way to promote this world's religious businesses and sects. But personally, I prefer to hear God's Word through studying the Bible in belief (AKA Faith) that God knows what HE is doing, and that men knew God "even before the internet".
You did just what I asked you not to do....
Tell me about "your" Jesus ~ is he the mighty God that was manifest in flesh? Can you walk just as perfect as he walked in the days of his flesh? Did your Jesus come and secure eternal life for those that God had given to him? Tell me, do not danced around my questions to you.
The Jesus "of the Bible" ~ is he the mighty God according to your understanding of the bible? Can you walk just as he walked in the days of his flesh? Did Jesus "of the the Bible" secure eternal life for those given to him to do so? Simple questions deserve a simple answer. Your answers (and I know them already from dialoguing with you over the years) may have changed over the years and you have gotten converting on some of your corrupt teachings.
 
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Moses is an issue with you it seems, He wasn't an issue for Jesus, and he isn't for me. Here, lets post Jesus own Words regarding Moses.
You turn every simple comment into some "rant".........

Jesus referenced the Torah as the "law of Moses". There is a reason for this. Moses judged Israel. Moses didn't always get it right.

Same is true of you.

Jesus always gets is it right.

Like I said. Comparing Moses to Jesus is a losing strategy for your theology.

So tell me why Moses is just as good as Jesus. I know you have it in you..... Go for it.
 
You turn every simple comment into some "rant".........

Jesus referenced the Torah as the "law of Moses". There is a reason for this. Moses judged Israel. Moses didn't always get it right.

Same is true of you.

Jesus always gets is it right.

Like I said. Comparing Moses to Jesus is a losing strategy for your theology.

So tell me why Moses is just as good as Jesus. I know you have it in you..... Go for it.
its like saying the flesh and the spirit are the same- moses is the flesh=sinner and Jesus is the spirit=holy, sinless. polar opposites. one pointed the way, he other is the way. one was under the law, the other fulfulled the law, one gave the law the other was the Lawmaker, one was not allowed into the promised land the other is the Promised Land with all the promised fulfilled in Him.
 
None of the OT prophets ever pointed to themselves for salvation and neither did the Apostles. Jesus pointed to Himself and there is salvation found in no other name. His name is the name above all names.

What you are willfully ignorant of Civic, is that EVERY true believer in the Law and Prophets, pointed to the Prophesied Messiah, even before HE came, as God's Salvation for mankind. And Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, David, Isaiah, Moses and Abraham and others all knew of and believed in God's Salvation plan, and that God, as Abraham teaches, "will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together".

Luke 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared "before the face of all people"; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Psalms 18: 46 The LORD liveth; and "blessed be my rock"; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.

Psalms 45: 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore (Because of this) God, thy God, "hath anointed thee" with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Salvation is of the Lord- Jesus is that Lord.

This is true. Salvation is not of a statue or image of God in the likeness of some random, handsome, long-haired man with blue eyes and perfect profile. This is why I advocate listening to the actual Words Jesus instructed me to listen to. Here is what Jesus Himself says about God's Salvation. You would do good to humble yourself to Him in this teaching.

John 4: 22 Ye worship ye know not what:(images of God, worldly religious philosophies, traditions and high days of man) we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship "the Father" in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him "must worship him in spirit and in truth".

Your adopted religion is founded on the belief that God created laws impossible for men to obey, and place this "Yoke of Bondage" on the necks of men who trusted Him. Then HE lied to them by telling them they could walk in His Laws, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't. (Ignoring of course, all the examples of Faith men God said were obedient to Him) Then your image of God, with his long hair and handsome profile, came to save mankind from God's unjust and impossible to obey Laws, and now you can "live by" your own judgments, your own high days, your own images of God.

While this is truly a seductive religion, God saw it coming and warned against it.

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17 They say still unto them that despise me, (Promoting lies about Him and His Instructions) "The LORD hath said", Ye shall have peace; and they say unto "every one" "that walketh after the imagination of his own heart", No evil shall come upon you.

So Civic, "Today" if you hear His Voice, harden not your heart", the praise of man, the money and fame of this world's religious system, is not worth what it will cost you in the end.
 
You turn every simple comment into some "rant".........

Jesus referenced the Torah as the "law of Moses". There is a reason for this. Moses judged Israel. Moses didn't always get it right.

Same is true of you.

Jesus always gets is it right.

Like I said. Comparing Moses to Jesus is a losing strategy for your theology.

So tell me why Moses is just as good as Jesus. I know you have it in you..... Go for it.

I get it, you don't approve of Jesus' Words concerning Moses, that I posted, and you again ignored. But what can I say, Jesus already told me you would not be persuaded. Who am I to change that.

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Jesus always gets it right.
 
I get it, you don't approve of Jesus' Words concerning Moses, that I posted, and you again ignored. But what can I say, Jesus already told me you would not be persuaded. Who am I to change that.

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Jesus always gets it right.

I didn't ignore them. That is your requirement for your theology. Not a requirement of mine.

If you want me to explain why Jesus said this, then ask.

What Jesus said doesn't raise what Moses said to the level of what Jesus said. Jesus simply told them the truth. They claimed to have trusted Moses.

Joh 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

They didn't trust Jesus like they trusted Moses.

Relative to importance of Jesus.....

Mat 12:6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here.
Mat 12:7 If you had known what this means: ‘I want mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

Luk 11:31 The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with the people of this generation and condemn them, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon – and now, something greater than Solomon is here!
Luk 11:32 The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented when Jonah preached to them – and now, something greater than Jonah is here!

Joh 4:12 Surely you’re not greater than our ancestor Jacob, are you? For he gave us this well and drank from it himself, along with his sons and his livestock.”
Joh 4:13 Jesus replied, “Everyone who drinks some of this water will be thirsty again.
Joh 4:14 But whoever drinks some of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again, but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up to eternal life.”

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

Luk 10:24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
 
What you are willfully ignorant of Civic, is that EVERY true believer in the Law and Prophets, pointed to the Prophesied Messiah, even before HE came, as God's Salvation for mankind.

Geesh......

What they knew about Messiah had been tainted by the Midrash and Talmud. Vain tradition of their fathers. The same you repeat yourself.

@civic isn't ignorant of what you claim. You're the issue.
 
What you are willfully ignorant of Civic, is that EVERY true believer in the Law and Prophets, pointed to the Prophesied Messiah, even before HE came, as God's Salvation for mankind. And Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, David, Isaiah, Moses and Abraham and others all knew of and believed in God's Salvation plan, and that God, as Abraham teaches, "will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together".

Luke 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared "before the face of all people"; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Psalms 18: 46 The LORD liveth; and "blessed be my rock"; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.

Psalms 45: 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore (Because of this) God, thy God, "hath anointed thee" with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.



This is true. Salvation is not of a statue or image of God in the likeness of some random, handsome, long-haired man with blue eyes and perfect profile. This is why I advocate listening to the actual Words Jesus instructed me to listen to. Here is what Jesus Himself says about God's Salvation. You would do good to humble yourself to Him in this teaching.

John 4: 22 Ye worship ye know not what:(images of God, worldly religious philosophies, traditions and high days of man) we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship "the Father" in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him "must worship him in spirit and in truth".

Your adopted religion is founded on the belief that God created laws impossible for men to obey, and place this "Yoke of Bondage" on the necks of men who trusted Him. Then HE lied to them by telling them they could walk in His Laws, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't. (Ignoring of course, all the examples of Faith men God said were obedient to Him) Then your image of God, with his long hair and handsome profile, came to save mankind from God's unjust and impossible to obey Laws, and now you can "live by" your own judgments, your own high days, your own images of God.

While this is truly a seductive religion, God saw it coming and warned against it.

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17 They say still unto them that despise me, (Promoting lies about Him and His Instructions) "The LORD hath said", Ye shall have peace; and they say unto "every one" "that walketh after the imagination of his own heart", No evil shall come upon you.

So Civic, "Today" if you hear His Voice, harden not your heart", the praise of man, the money and fame of this world's religious system, is not worth what it will cost you in the end.
Projecting
 
Geesh......

What they knew about Messiah had been tainted by the Midrash and Talmud. Vain tradition of their fathers. The same you repeat yourself.

@civic isn't ignorant of what you claim. You're the issue.
What he doesn’t know is Jesus is the Centerpiece of the OT as He said it all about Him, not the Father.

This should be enough for him to know he has another jesus, another gospel, another salvation, another spirit.
 
How well do I know!



Yes, you found a website with agrees with your adopted religious philosophy. In 5 minutes, I could find one that disagrees with your adopted religious philosophy. So what. And you promote that I am a fool for believing what is actually written in Scriptures, refusing again to even acknowledge them, as if your website destroyed what God had written for my admonition.

Jesus saw this coming Red, long before you were trained by this world's religious schools and warned me long ago not to be deceived by the "many" who come in Christ's Name.
I know you think you have much, but no man does!


You did just what I asked you not to do....

The Jesus "of the Bible" ~ is he the mighty God according to your understanding of the bible? Can you walk just as he walked in the days of his flesh? Did Jesus "of the the Bible" secure eternal life for those given to him to do so? Simple questions deserve a simple answer. Your answers (and I know them already from dialoguing with you over the years) may have changed over the years and you have gotten converting on some of your corrupt teachings.

You are no more interested in my answer to your questions, than you are interested in answering mine.

This is just another distraction, deflection, so you don't have to contend with the Scriptures I post which expose much of your religious philosophy as from this world's religious system, and not from the "Christ" of the Bible.
 
Yes, you found a website with agrees with your adopted religious philosophy. In 5 minutes, I could find one that disagrees with your adopted religious philosophy. So what. And you promote that I am a fool for believing what is actually written in Scriptures, refusing again to even acknowledge them, as if your website destroyed what God had written for my admonition.

Jesus saw this coming Red, long before you were trained by this world's religious schools and warned me long ago not to be deceived by the "many" who come in Christ's Name.


You are no more interested in my answer to your questions, than you are interested in answering mine.

This is just another distraction, deflection, so you don't have to contend with the Scriptures I post which expose much of your religious philosophy as from this world's religious system, and not from the "Christ" of the Bible.
And it works both ways with your man made religious system and criteria
 
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