Trinitarianism verses Modalism debate

[praise_yeshua]

the difference is a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, in a "EQUAL SHARE", as in First and Last, Beginning and end, or Alpha and Omega, or Root and Offspring. please note this is the same ONE PERSON, which is the ECHAD to come. and the ECHAD is in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.... understand?

if you don't understand 101G have scripture to clear up the matter.

101G.

I believe you're overstating the evidence you're referencing.

I gave an example of Zec 13:7. There is no appeal to the Greek source for a "another of a different sort". The appeal is to commonality relative to a specific "citizenship".

 

[101G]

I believe you're overstating the evidence you're referencing.

I gave an example of Zec 13:7. There is no appeal to the Greek source for a "another of a different sort". The appeal is to commonality relative to a specific "citizenship".

let 101G give you a good example of the SAME. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

see that.... "WITH" the First is "WITH" the Last? if you think that this verse is speaking of two separate and distinct persons, you will make a great ERROR. listen, the same prophet, spoken to by the same one God. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." the term "ALSO" means, "in addition; too" there it is .... the same one Person. so ANOTHER of the same Sort is the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE of what G243 Allos clearly states, again the ECHAD in TIME, PLACE, ORDETR, and RANK.

just as in John 1:1 the Word is "WITH"/ "ALSO" God.

101G suggest you study the H259 ECHAD with the term "Beginning of Genesis 1:1 and the ECHAD itself in Deuteronomy 6:4

once you learn those definitions concerning God then we can discuss.

101G.​

 

[TomL]

Good so tell us how do the Lamb sit on the throne and stand before the throne? your answer please.

101G

What you think it is not possible for both to be true

Acts 7:55 (KJV 1900) — 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 (KJV 1900) — 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

LOL, LOL, LOL, the two witness... you have no clue. God is the witness, and he is not a man until the end. listen, Revelation 11:3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

notice God said ...... "my" .... meaning "HIS" two witness, follow so far. now how is the two witness his witness? answer, by his Spirit. was not the Lord Jesus in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') / Empty state anointed with the Spirit at his baptism? yes. now, John the Baptist, listen, Luke 1:12 "And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him." Luke 1:13 "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John." Luke 1:14 "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth." Luke 1:15 "For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."

now what's right with this PICTURE? A. both are alive to God, for DEAD MEN cannot witness... (Smile), lol, Oh boy, because everyone else are DEAD in sin and trespasses. and two it is the Spirit who empower both men in flesh. SAME WITNESS, for it is the Olive OIL, the Spirit that have anointed them just as Zechariah 4 clearly states. and it is the same Spirit who witness in both men for the Lord Jesus is correct. the Father witness of me as well as John the Baptist. hence the statement in Revelation 11:3 "MY", "MY", "MY", two witness...lol, oh boy. now do 101G have scripture to this? yes, LISTEN and LEARN. Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one." now OT Hebrews 6:13 "For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,"

this is just too easy.

101G.

Sorry but Jesus

Argued they were two witnesses

John 8:17–18 (The Modern Language Bible: Berkeley Version) — 17 It is written in your Law that the evidence of two persons is valid; 18 I am a witness concerning Myself, and My Father who sent Me witnesses concerning Me.”

And his word is a bit more persuasive than yours

Stop kicking against the pricks

 

[101G]

What you think it is not possible for both to be true

Acts 7:55 (KJV 1900) — 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 (KJV 1900) — 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

LOL, LOL, LOL, THAT'S WEAKER THAN WATER, but TELL US HOW HE TAKES THE BOOK OUT OF HIS OWN HAND? book chapter and verse please.... (smile). Checkmate.

101G

 

[TomL]

Good so tell us how do the Lamb sit on the throne and stand before the throne? your answer please.

101G

What you think he must be stationary?

I gave you scriptures showing you him sitting previously

and now of him standing

Acts 7:55 (KJV 1900) — 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 (KJV 1900) — 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

But where do you actually read Jesus standing before the throne

 

[TomL]

LOL, LOL, LOL, THAT'S WEAKER THAN WATER, but TELL US HOW HE TAKES THE BOOK OUT OF HIS OWN HAND? book chapter and verse please.... (smile). Checkmate.

101G

Duh that is your view not mine.

hello

 

[101G]

What you think it is not possible for both to be true

Acts 7:55 (KJV 1900) — 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 (KJV 1900) — 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.


Sorry but Jesus

Argued they were two witnesses

John 8:17–18 (The Modern Language Bible: Berkeley Version) — 17 It is written in your Law that the evidence of two persons is valid; 18 I am a witness concerning Myself, and My Father who sent Me witnesses concerning Me.”

And his word is a bit more persuasive than yours

Stop kicking against the pricks

the prick has pricked your false theory over and over, it has a nose and head bleed. God is the only true witness... lol. oh my. and stand on the right hand, is not two person, please google what it means, lol, lol, lol, it is the power of God, so standing on the right hand is in POWER... oh my.
you get deeper in a hole of a lie.

101G

 

[101G]

But where do you actually read Jesus standing before the throne

Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."

if he came to the one who sits on the throne then he is before the throne. lol... oh my

deep and a deeper hole..... the BLACK HOLE OF LIES.

101G

 

[101G]

let's get a shovel, Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

the term "MIDST",G3319 μέσος mesos (me'-sos) adj.
middle (as an adjective or (neuter) noun).
[from G3326]
KJV: among, X before them, between, + forth, mid(-day, -night), midst, way

BEFORE, check.......mate.


101G.

 

[101G]

to all my trinitarian believers.
again, the one who sit on the throne is only "ONE" person and it's the Lord. supportive scripture, Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful." Revelation 21:6 "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."

Hold it, is not the Lord Jesus the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end ? let's check the record. Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." ... Oh he's the First and the Last also.... and who is the First and the Last? Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

so the First and the Last sits on the THRONE, yes the ONE who was DEAD, and now Alive....... the one who stood before the throne, because he is now risen from the dead...... (smile)..... again check........ mate. YIKES! .... YIKES!

that hole is getting deeper and deeper.

101G.

 

[TomL]

the prick has pricked your false theory over and over, it has a nose and head bleed. God is the only true witness... lol. oh my. and stand on the right hand, is not two person, please google what it means, lol, lol, lol, it is the power of God, so standing on the right hand is in POWER... oh my.
you get deeper in a hole of a lie.

101G

sorry all you did is ignore the evidence which differentiated them

Father and Son are two persons

1. The saluations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; James 1:1; 2 Peter 1:2; 2 John 3; Phm 1:3

2 . Two witnesses; John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; compare Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15.

3. The Father sent the Son: John 3:17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; compare John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21.

4. The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 14:31; 17:23-26

5. The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41 -42; 12:28; 17:126; etc.


Notice in particular

John 8:17–18 (NIV) — 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”

You appealed to Echad but it does not support you

Genesis 2:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

where two persons are referred to

Then also your appeal to allos


Bible Search for lemma.g:ἄλλος


Matt 2:12
King James Version
And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

Matt 4:21
King James Version
And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.

Matt 5:39
King James Version
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matt 8:9
King James Version
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

Matt 10:23
King James Version
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Matt 12:13
King James Version
Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

Matt 13:5
King James Version
Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

Matt 13:7
King James Version
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

Matt 13:8
King James Version
But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Matt 13:24
King James Version
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

Matt 13:31
King James Version
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

Matt 13:33
King James Version
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Matt 16:14
King James Version
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

Matt 19:9
King James Version
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Matt 20:3
King James Version
And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,

Matt 20:6
King James Version
And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

Matt 21:8
King James Version
And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.

Matt 21:33
King James Version
Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

Matt 21:36
King James Version
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

Matt 21:41
King James Version
They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Matt 22:4
King James Version
Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

Matt 25:16
King James Version
Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

Matt 25:17
King James Version
And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

Matt 25:20
King James Version
And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

Matt 25:22
King James Version
He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Matt 26:71
King James Version
And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.

Matt 27:42
King James Version
He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

Matt 27:61
King James Version
And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.

Matt 28:1
King James Version
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

it never refers to one thing or one person

 

[101G]

Duh that is your view not mine.

no, that's the bible view.

sorry all you did is ignore the evidence which differentiated them

Father and Son are two persons

1. The saluations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; James 1:1; 2 Peter 1:2; 2 John 3; Phm 1:3

2 . Two witnesses; John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; compare Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15.

3. The Father sent the Son: John 3:17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; compare John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21.

4. The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 14:31; 17:23-26

5. The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41 -42; 12:28; 17:126; etc.


Notice in particular

John 8:17–18 (NIV) — 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”

You appealed to Echad but it does not support you

Genesis 2:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

where two persons are referred to

Then also your appeal to allos


Bible Search for lemma.g:ἄλλος


Matt 2:12
King James Version
And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

Matt 4:21
King James Version
And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.

Matt 5:39
King James Version
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matt 8:9
King James Version
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

Matt 10:23
King James Version
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Matt 12:13
King James Version
Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

Matt 13:5
King James Version
Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

Matt 13:7
King James Version
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

Matt 13:8
King James Version
But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Matt 13:24
King James Version
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

Matt 13:31
King James Version
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

Matt 13:33
King James Version
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Matt 16:14
King James Version
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

Matt 19:9
King James Version
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Matt 20:3
King James Version
And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,

Matt 20:6
King James Version
And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

Matt 21:8
King James Version
And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.

Matt 21:33
King James Version
Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

Matt 21:36
King James Version
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

Matt 21:41
King James Version
They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Matt 22:4
King James Version
Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

Matt 25:16
King James Version
Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

Matt 25:17
King James Version
And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

Matt 25:20
King James Version
And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

Matt 25:22
King James Version
He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Matt 26:71
King James Version
And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.

Matt 27:42
King James Version
He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

Matt 27:61
King James Version
And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.

Matt 28:1
King James Version
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

it never refers to one thing or one person

see above. ......

101G

 

[TomL]

to all my trinitarian believers.
again, the one who sit on the throne is only "ONE" person and it's the Lord. supportive scripture, Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful." Revelation 21:6 "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."

Hold it, is not the Lord Jesus the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end ? let's check the record. Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." ... Oh he's the First and the Last also.... and who is the First and the Last? Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

so the First and the Last sits on the THRONE, yes the ONE who was DEAD, and now Alive....... the one who stood before the throne, because he is now risen from the dead...... (smile)..... again check........ mate. YIKES! .... YIKES!

that hole is getting deeper and deeper.

101G.

Sorry two persons sit on the throne

Revelation 3:21 (ESV) — 21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Man give it up

you have made so many false statements and ignored much evidence

 

[civic]

your first BIG ERROR of the DAY, listen, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

only ONE SITS on the THRONE. so try again.

101G.

Your BIG GIANT ERROR

Revelation 22:3- There will no longer be any curse. The throne of God and the lamb will be in the city

One Throne with God and the Lamb on it.

Revelation 22:1- Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

next

 

[TomL]

no, that's the bible view.

see above. ......

101G

No reason to

your errors are apparent

sorry all you did is ignore the evidence which differentiated them

Father and Son are two persons

1. The saluations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; James 1:1; 2 Peter 1:2; 2 John 3; Phm 1:3

2 . Two witnesses; John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; compare Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15.

3. The Father sent the Son: John 3:17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; compare John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21.

4. The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 14:31; 17:23-26

5. The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41 -42; 12:28; 17:126; etc.


Notice in particular

John 8:17–18 (NIV) — 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”

You appealed to Echad but it does not support you

Genesis 2:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

where two persons are referred to

Then also your appeal to allos


Bible Search for lemma.g:ἄλλος


Matt 2:12
King James Version
And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

Matt 4:21
King James Version
And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.

Matt 5:39
King James Version
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matt 8:9
King James Version
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

Matt 10:23
King James Version
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Matt 12:13
King James Version
Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

Matt 13:5
King James Version
Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

Matt 13:7
King James Version
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

Matt 13:8
King James Version
But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Matt 13:24
King James Version
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

Matt 13:31
King James Version
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

Matt 13:33
King James Version
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Matt 16:14
King James Version
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

Matt 19:9
King James Version
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Matt 20:3
King James Version
And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,

Matt 20:6
King James Version
And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

Matt 21:8
King James Version
And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.

Matt 21:33
King James Version
Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

Matt 21:36
King James Version
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

Matt 21:41
King James Version
They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Matt 22:4
King James Version
Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

Matt 25:16
King James Version
Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

Matt 25:17
King James Version
And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

Matt 25:20
King James Version
And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

Matt 25:22
King James Version
He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Matt 26:71
King James Version
And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.

Matt 27:42
King James Version
He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

Matt 27:61
King James Version
And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.

Matt 28:1
King James Version
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

it never refers to one thing or one person

 

[TomL]

Your BIG GIANT ERROR

Revelation 22:3- There will no longer be any curse. The throne of God and the lamb will be in the city

One Throne with God and the Lamb on it.

next

it's all over the place

Revelation 3:21 (ESV) — 21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

He really does need to give it up

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/trinitarianism-verses-modalism-debate.2081/post-119317

 

[101G]

When one cannot answer a simple question, then it's over.
but one more, for a little deeper hole. Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;" (Smile). Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

this letter is from ONLY "ONE" Person... for the him " which is, and which was, and which is to come" that's the Lord Jesus. and the seven Spirits is the Lord Jesus. and of course, the faithful witness ..... is the Lord Jesus..... oh too easy.

101G.

 

[civic]

it's all over the place

Revelation 3:21 (ESV) — 21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

He really does need to give it up

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/trinitarianism-verses-modalism-debate.2081/post-119317

ditto

 

[TomL]

ditto

It;s getting old

 

[101G]

Revelation 22:3- There will no longer be any curse. The throne of God and the lamb will be in the city

One Throne with God and the Lamb on it.

Revelation 22:1- Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

LOL, LOL, LOL, the Lamb is GOD... (smile). Listen and learn, is not the Lord Jesus the Lamb? let's see who created all things, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

well now Jesus, the resurrected LAMB is the CREATOR..... (smile)...... Uh O!

101G